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Re: My heart goes out to JoePa's family..

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Posted: 1/22/2012 10:50 PM

Re: My heart goes out to JoePa's family.. 



Triple H wrote: Yeah, I know.  He totally screwed up during the Sandusky mess.  He didn't handle it right.  I get it.  But to hear of him being near death after losing his job, his reason to live, it makes me sad.  Because he did run a great program for many years in terms of fielding good teams as well as teams that stayed out of NCAA violations. 

He did a lot to help Penn State.  I get that the Sandusky mess will be a part of his legacy.  I just don't want it to be the only part.
He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.

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Posted: 1/22/2012 11:08 PM

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GAinLA wrote:
Triple H wrote: Yeah, I know.  He totally screwed up during the Sandusky mess.  He didn't handle it right.  I get it.  But to hear of him being near death after losing his job, his reason to live, it makes me sad.  Because he did run a great program for many years in terms of fielding good teams as well as teams that stayed out of NCAA violations. 

He did a lot to help Penn State.  I get that the Sandusky mess will be a part of his legacy.  I just don't want it to be the only part.
He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.
"Despite the urge, Paterno's death should not be used as an opportunity to massage and soften the events that led to his downfall, for it is possible to mourn his passing without rewriting the truths that are known. The truth is that his passing should also mark the end of the college sports coaching dynasty. For all the victories and championships, the recruiting coups and runaway revenues, it cannot be understated that his death stands enshrouded in bittersweet contradictions because of the dynasty he was allowed to build. Paterno had too much power with not nearly enough oversight. He was bigger than the school, and the school cowered to him. Paterno gave millions back to Penn State; and as his power grew and grew unchecked over four decades, the university lost the ability to control whether he was benevolent or a tyrant.

It was not a power particularly special to Paterno, but to his industry. The entire culture of the coach deserves deconstruction and revision, for the same can be said in varying degrees of Bryant and Knight, Bowden and Calhoun, Krzyzewski and Boeheim.
When it was time for Paterno to use the power that he had accrued -- when he became aware that for years, children allegedly were being molested under the ceiling of the football monument he had built -- he did not lead. He passed the information on. He did not care enough or do enough or use enough of his power or show enough of his leadership to be worthy of that monument. That is why he will be judged so harshly. His wife, Sue, told The Washington Post, "If someone touched my child, there wouldn't be a trial. I would have killed them. That would be my attitude, because you have destroyed someone for life."

Paterno did not commit the crime, nor was he the only player in what amounted to a colossal institutional failure. [/b]But he did not live up to what was expected of someone who had meant so much and controlled so much of what took place at his school. He failed in the one test that mattered the very most.[b]

Over time, the Sandusky scandal might not ultimately define Paterno -- and perhaps it should not -- but the myth of the coach as great leader beyond the playing field ultimately exposed him and brought down his program. At the end, it was an expectation Paterno could not meet.
And if his supporters care to apply inverse logic to him -- that Paterno was just a football coach and should not have been expected to shoulder the load of the Sandusky responsibility when the police, university presidents and other school officials failed as well -- then he should not have accepted the role of power broker he embraced for 45 years.
Paterno was paid millions of dollars because he generated billions of dollars, and the generation of that money allowed for the generation of a narrative -- Paterno as the molder of young men -- that he did not live up to in real time when challenged. The totality of Paterno's public life -- the life we know -- is just that he was a football coach, and a very successful one.
He was also a man who as the leader of a dynasty made a series of serious errors in judgment whose costs are not being taken to the grave with him. Those costs will live on, in people known in a grand jury report as Victim No. 1, Victim No. 8, Victim No. 12 … They will go on living a very different existence, and that is also part of the totality of Joe Paterno.
He died knowing that bitter truth. He told Sally Jenkins of The Washington Post, in what was the equivalent of a deathbed interview, that he "backed off." The truth is that he should have done something. He should have moved forward.
The rest of the multibillion-dollar sports industrial complex lives on, too, hopefully having learned one lesson from Joe Paterno's sad ending and Penn State's collective failure to live up to its ideal: Compared to real leadership, winning isn't everything. It might well have turned out to be nothing".
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My pain may be the reason for somebody's laugh, but my laugh must never be the reason for somebody's pain. ~Charlie Chaplin~
   

      

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Posted: 1/23/2012 8:50 PM

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He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.

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Uncalled for and disrespectful cheap shot.
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Posted: 1/23/2012 9:40 PM

Re: My heart goes out to JoePa's family.. 



rarelyrong wrote:

He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.

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Uncalled for and disrespectful cheap shot.
Not uncalled for and 100% true.

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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:07 PM

It was uncalled for 



GAinLA wrote:
rarelyrong wrote:

He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.

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Uncalled for and disrespectful cheap shot.
Not uncalled for and 100% true.
Making jokes about the Catholic Church problems at the expense of someone who died is in poor taste .  Regardless of the accuracy of the statement.  disbelief

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Posted: 1/23/2012 10:15 PM

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Triple H wrote:
GAinLA wrote:
rarelyrong wrote:

He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.

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Uncalled for and disrespectful cheap shot.
Not uncalled for and 100% true.
Making jokes about the Catholic Church problems at the expense of someone who died is in poor taste .  Regardless of the accuracy of the statement.  disbelief
I make jokes/factual statements, however you want to put it, about the catholic church regardless of if a person is dead or alive. Especially if they have something in common.

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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:13 PM

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GAinLA wrote:
Triple H wrote:
GAinLA wrote:
rarelyrong wrote:

He would have made a great catholic priest.  Would have fit in very well at the vatican.

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Uncalled for and disrespectful cheap shot.
Not uncalled for and 100% true.
Making jokes about the Catholic Church problems at the expense of someone who died is in poor taste .  Regardless of the accuracy of the statement.  disbelief
I make jokes/factual statements, however you want to put it, about the catholic church regardless of if a person is dead or alive. Especially if they have something in common.
Some people become larger in death than they were in life. I think just the opposite will occur in this case.
Give the mourning process its due time and then allow all the facts to be brought to light.   




My pain may be the reason for somebody's laugh, but my laugh must never be the reason for somebody's pain. ~Charlie Chaplin~
   

      

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Posted: 1/23/2012 11:38 PM

Just because you can do something 



GAinLA wrote:
I make jokes/factual statements, however you want to put it, about the catholic church regardless of if a person is dead or alive. Especially if they have something in common.

Or always have done something, doesn't mean you should.  Three words: Time and place.

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