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Winder-Barrow 'Holiday Bowl' Tournament

Posted: 11/22/2009 9:07 AM

Winder-Barrow 'Holiday Bowl' Tournament 


If anyone is looking for a post regular season tournament to attend, I will highly recommend you NOT attend this one. There isn't enough space in this form for me to list everything, I'll simply list the top 3 and you can deduce what you like.

1) Police were called 3 times to the event on Saturday alone, with the last time being after a Winder-Barrow coach ran across the field and physically attacked a visiting coach, (we have film) then ran and hid in the press box. The last thing the police officer told me was that they had the authority to shut the event down, I certainly hoped they did. We pulled our team from the tournament.

2) Per the rules, 150 lbs + players are not allowed to run the ball, and during weigh in will have a red sticker affixed to the rear of their helmets identifying them as 150+ players. Again, the Winder-Barrow team was not compliant, nor would they agree to weigh ins to BECOME compliant. Fullback was at least 160.

3) Rosters presented prior to the tournament must include birth certificates, and all rosters are final at that time. The team that Winder-Barrow fielded had 7 players that were not on the field, nor were they on the roster Friday night, but were there and played Saturday.

 

We won't even get into the referee situation, I will let you all speak to every other team there, and the when following procedure of grievances, it was pointless as well, as the tournament organizer also happend to be the head coach of the Winder-Barrow team.

 

We have a pretty good little team here, as we only lost one game by 6 points the entire season, and won the Hall County Championship. I, like every other coach will take a loss to a better team on any occasion provided it is a level playing field. The Gwinnett All-Stars were our opponent Friday night. We won 39-0. Chestatee played this same Winder-Barrow team Friday night and lost 6-0. In the first Saturday game, the Gwinnett team lost to Chestatee like 13-6. This same Winder Barrow team beat us 39-0.

 

Like I said, I will leave how bad the officiating was up to your imagination, not even mentioning the 'thugness' and lack of accountability for the actions of the tournament administration. This was a tournament we chose to come to for fun for our kids after a fantastic season. It is a crying shame that the image left in the minds of our 11-12 year old young men of their last recreational league game is of opposing coaches and opposing players behaving in a manner which is NOT what we teach here. Our players will be the lights of the community, not 'win at all costs' thugs that is clearly the mantra of a substandard football mentality at Winder-Barrow. Again, this is fact, not some coach off on a rant. I encourage you to call the Winder Police Department and ask them. Even if my point 1 was the only thing that was true, would that compel you to consider not attending? Please consider this an 'awareness' letter.

 

Thank you to all youth coaches that volunteer their time to these kids. We are losing far too many to 'the dark side' and down the wrong path. Keep the faith, and most definitely, keep away from this tournament. You're better off saving your money and having a great after the year party for your kids, they deserve it.

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Posted: 11/22/2009 12:53 PM

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I host a tournament every year in Glynn County. Football is much more difficult than baseball. I'm considering not doing the tournament again. I would like to say Winder-Barrow brought a team to Glynn County two years ago and they were a very good team. Their Coaches, Parents, and Players were all first class. I'm sure this had to be a dirrerent group. I would invite that same team that played with me anytime.

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Posted: 11/23/2009 9:34 AM

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I have NEVER seen or been to any place in my 50 years where a "SWAT" team, complete with K9's had to come to break up a "riot" at a youth event!banghead

 

We were there for this abysmal display as well. Our kids were literally afraid for both their own, and their parents lives. Like any place you have good people and bad. Unfortunately for this community and their tournament their bad came out in waves on Saturday. When were left the tournament, as we walked through the parking lot, a lady from the hosting association sheepishly and sincerely apologized to us. She said,

 

"I'm so sorry you  had this experience. Unfortunately, it's the same every year. The police come several times a day and it seems our 12 year old team never has to observe the same rules as every other team." (remember, that's a lady from their organization).

 

I would agree whole heartedly. DO NOT GO TO THIS TOURNAMENT UNLESS YOU ARE AN ALLSTAR TEAM AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK WITH YOUR KIDS AND COACHES. You will get involved in some type of altercation. I don't doubt what the other gentlemen said that he had a team from Winder and all went smoothly. I would guess the tournament he hosted was fairly well run and in control. Unfortunately, the 12 year old coach from this tournament is also the director and he does a "bait & switch". He lures you in telling you it's not an "all star" team tournament. That you must have a league roster and team picture.  Unfortunately he does not observe the same rules. In addiion, there are MANY ways he could have prevented this occurence. Simply have a unbiased person there to weigh his players and check his roster too.

 

It's just an absolute shame. It's supposed to be about the kids and it just gets ugly. Even as we tried to leave,  we were being followed off the field by their parents and grand parents heckling us.eek1

 

  

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Posted: 11/30/2009 7:48 AM

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Was this a 12U division?

 

Many of the players for WB played middle school football and are in the 8th grade.

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Posted: 11/30/2009 1:18 PM

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It was the 12U division. What we have been informed since that day was that WB did in fact "load up" with 8th graders for the Saturday & Sunday games. Also, I have spoke to others from west Ga (team name intentionally omitted) and they experience the same difficulties as we did (fights, cops, etc).

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Posted: 12/17/2009 6:32 PM

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As Coach of a 6U team, I was at the Tournament for most of the weekend. Now I cannot say that the 12U team did or did not "load up" for this tournament. However I can say that the EXACT same team went down and played in the tournament in Macon the following week and won it. So if they were cheating at this tournament which they didn't win, they must have paid off the other one to get to use the same players right??? As far as the Game between Chestatee and WB friday night, the same players were used, contrary to what was said above. I know this because the two of the kids I heard the Flowery Branch coaches say didn't play I saw for myself on the field friday night. The Chestatee game was close with the Gwinnett Team due to the amount of turnovers Chestatee had. You shouldn't even win a game with 4 more turnovers than the other team. I could be wrong but I heard the Chestatee team was their middle school team.
Not that the guy who charged the Flowery Branch was right but if my mother had died recently and he said the same thing to me instead of giving a "Good Game" at midfield the way you are supposed to I probably would have decked him myself!
I am just curious if having your players sit down in middle of the field and letting the other team score and saying that type of stuff after a game is a your way of showing good sportmanship from the Flowery Branch side of things. Our team lost almost every game this season most of the time by 3 or more td's and I would have been ashamed to have them watch the sportsmanship coming from the FB side of this game.
As far as the 3 times goes, I was there for the first game and there for the 7:00p.m. game and I only remember the one time. What were the others?
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Posted: 12/17/2009 6:37 PM

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Also, if you look at the date cutoff for the tournament, you will notice that it is a little odd. It is not Sept 1 like most. It was May 31. Next year my oldest will be in the 8th grade and will be playing in this tournament, due to him turning 13 in August.
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Posted: 12/19/2009 11:24 PM

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WOW you people are sadly being lied to.I am part of this 12u team from Winder and I can tell you that there was no cheating going on on the behalf of our team.If you look at the post for the tournamnet it does state that you can have a all star team as long as they played in a league.You all can look it up on eteamz if you like.yes it was wrong for what happened with our coach and his punishment will be handed down by our Football board.As far as the police being called three times what a joke!Yes they were called but only twice .Once for what happened with our coach and the Flowery Branch Coach and the other was called by a parent from another team because she had a restraining order against someone that was there.How are we suppose to control that?As for the cutoff date of May 31st that was our cut off date for the league we played in this year.Coach McDaniel you of all people should know this.
Warchant8 I think I answered number 1 on your post now for #2
Our fullback did make his weight at 149lbs.Yes he did have to do in his underwear but he did make the weight.You really do not know what happened with this kid after the game do you. He was taken and had to weight in again with someone from the Flowery branch team.Now who it was I no clue but this did happen And yes he did make the weight again.now for #3
All of the players on our roster were there on Friday nightas well on Saturday and yes we have the game films to prove it.Some teams just match up differently.That team from Chessatee was a very physical team and yes they did come out and hit our kids in the mouth.I personally think that they would have beat the Flowery Branch team also if they had the chance.You know we did not even win the tournament but you don't hear us complaining about it.We were beat in the Championship game by a team that we had already beat earlier in the year.
As for the refs.they were all from the Gwinnett football League.It does not matter what tournament you go to everyone is going to complain about the refs.It a way for everyone to make themselves feel better about losing a game.What a joke!
People all am saying is don't always believe what you read because it is all not true.There is always two sides of every story.We will not even talk about the sportsmanship of the coaches from Flowery Branch.Come on what coach tells there kids to lay down on the ground and let the other team score and when they run past you get up and punch them all in the back.And yes we have all this on film also.So maybe everyone that host a tournament should use caution to allow that Flowery Branch team and coaches into there tournament.

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Posted: 1/21/2010 5:04 PM

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My son played in the BCCYA league but will not next year. They have not had an awards banquet as promised even though they collected extra money to do so. The head coach of the 12U has got the biggest ego I have ever seen. He had multiple complaints when he was coaching under the Rec dept for his language and threatening a chain gang crew. We had problems getting out team t-shirts due to the bill from LAST years uniforms not being paid.

And dont tell me that he doesnt doctor birth certificates either....one reason that he left the Rec Dept is that he wasnt going to be allowed to recruit kids and give them documents/addresses to use for this purpose.

His 12U team was the league darlings....a lot of the fund raising being done by ALL the teams went to HIS team being able to go to after season tourneys. Its a joke of a league ran by an egotistical, arrogant, jerk.

Ask any parent that didnt have kids on his 12U team..they will tell you the same thing. If you dont believe me....join right up and see for yourself
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Posted: 12/1/2010 5:57 PM

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I really can't comment on much of the problems voiced here except for one. The police were called due to the BCCYA assistant coach charging the visiting coach on the field. Although it would have been more classy to ignore the visiting coach and his comments, most would have found it hard to do so. The visiting coach made several off color comments about our coach's mom. Seeing as how she had just passed away the previous week, this was an especially touchy and sore subject. Really, I thought "grownups" were too old for "yo mama" taunts. But I guess not. If someone had said ugly things about my mother, I would have done the same thing. For every action--there's a reaction. The visiting team were a bunch of whiners. And we didn't even win the tournament! No regrets.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 11:50 AM

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Last time I checked my twelve year old was in seventh grade. In middle school. As he should be. I hope no one is implying that a 12U player can't be in middle school. There are some kids that are in eighth grade and still play 12U because their birthday falls within days of the control date and will have just turned thirteen. They are legal players.
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Posted: 12/2/2010 6:26 PM

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It was the same group. The other teams were just mad because they LOST.
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Posted: 12/3/2010 12:03 AM

You do realize that you are... 


... resurrecting a thread from OVER A YEAR AGO!!!!eek1

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Posted: 12/4/2010 12:39 PM

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Yes. I do realize. It's never too late to comment on faulty and/or false information. That doesn't make me crazy. I just discovered this website or I would have commented a lot sooner. Besides--YOU read it....and responded. So who's the crazy one?
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