Posted: 11/22/2009 9:07 AM
If anyone is looking for a post regular season tournament to attend, I will highly recommend you NOT attend this one. There isn't enough space in this form for me to list everything, I'll simply list the top 3 and you can deduce what you like.
1) Police were called 3 times to the event on Saturday alone, with the last time being after a Winder-Barrow coach ran across the field and physically attacked a visiting coach, (we have film) then ran and hid in the press box. The last thing the police officer told me was that they had the authority to shut the event down, I certainly hoped they did. We pulled our team from the tournament.
2) Per the rules, 150 lbs + players are not allowed to run the ball, and during weigh in will have a red sticker affixed to the rear of their helmets identifying them as 150+ players. Again, the Winder-Barrow team was not compliant, nor would they agree to weigh ins to BECOME compliant. Fullback was at least 160.
3) Rosters presented prior to the tournament must include birth certificates, and all rosters are final at that time. The team that Winder-Barrow fielded had 7 players that were not on the field, nor were they on the roster Friday night, but were there and played Saturday.
We won't even get into the referee situation, I will let you all speak to every other team there, and the when following procedure of grievances, it was pointless as well, as the tournament organizer also happend to be the head coach of the Winder-Barrow team.
We have a pretty good little team here, as we only lost one game by 6 points the entire season, and won the Hall County Championship. I, like every other coach will take a loss to a better team on any occasion provided it is a level playing field. The Gwinnett All-Stars were our opponent Friday night. We won 39-0. Chestatee played this same Winder-Barrow team Friday night and lost 6-0. In the first Saturday game, the Gwinnett team lost to Chestatee like 13-6. This same Winder Barrow team beat us 39-0.
Like I said, I will leave how bad the officiating was up to your imagination, not even mentioning the 'thugness' and lack of accountability for the actions of the tournament administration. This was a tournament we chose to come to for fun for our kids after a fantastic season. It is a crying shame that the image left in the minds of our 11-12 year old young men of their last recreational league game is of opposing coaches and opposing players behaving in a manner which is NOT what we teach here. Our players will be the lights of the community, not 'win at all costs' thugs that is clearly the mantra of a substandard football mentality at Winder-Barrow. Again, this is fact, not some coach off on a rant. I encourage you to call the Winder Police Department and ask them. Even if my point 1 was the only thing that was true, would that compel you to consider not attending? Please consider this an 'awareness' letter.
Thank you to all youth coaches that volunteer their time to these kids. We are losing far too many to 'the dark side' and down the wrong path. Keep the faith, and most definitely, keep away from this tournament. You're better off saving your money and having a great after the year party for your kids, they deserve it.
Posted: 11/22/2009 12:53 PM
I host a tournament every year in Glynn County. Football is much more difficult than baseball. I'm considering not doing the tournament again. I would like to say Winder-Barrow brought a team to Glynn County two years ago and they were a very good team. Their Coaches, Parents, and Players were all first class. I'm sure this had to be a dirrerent group. I would invite that same team that played with me anytime.
Posted: 11/23/2009 9:34 AM
I have NEVER seen or been to any place in my 50 years where a "SWAT" team, complete with K9's had to come to break up a "riot" at a youth event!
We were there for this abysmal display as well. Our kids were literally afraid for both their own, and their parents lives. Like any place you have good people and bad. Unfortunately for this community and their tournament their bad came out in waves on Saturday. When were left the tournament, as we walked through the parking lot, a lady from the hosting association sheepishly and sincerely apologized to us. She said,
"I'm so sorry you had this experience. Unfortunately, it's the same every year. The police come several times a day and it seems our 12 year old team never has to observe the same rules as every other team." (remember, that's a lady from their organization).
I would agree whole heartedly. DO NOT GO TO THIS TOURNAMENT UNLESS YOU ARE AN ALLSTAR TEAM AND ARE WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK WITH YOUR KIDS AND COACHES. You will get involved in some type of altercation. I don't doubt what the other gentlemen said that he had a team from Winder and all went smoothly. I would guess the tournament he hosted was fairly well run and in control. Unfortunately, the 12 year old coach from this tournament is also the director and he does a "bait & switch". He lures you in telling you it's not an "all star" team tournament. That you must have a league roster and team picture. Unfortunately he does not observe the same rules. In addiion, there are MANY ways he could have prevented this occurence. Simply have a unbiased person there to weigh his players and check his roster too.
It's just an absolute shame. It's supposed to be about the kids and it just gets ugly. Even as we tried to leave, we were being followed off the field by their parents and grand parents heckling us.
Posted: 11/30/2009 7:48 AM
Was this a 12U division?
Many of the players for WB played middle school football and are in the 8th grade.
Last edited 11/30/2009 9:20 AM by HankHill34
Posted: 11/30/2009 1:18 PM
It was the 12U division. What we have been informed since that day was that WB did in fact "load up" with 8th graders for the Saturday & Sunday games. Also, I have spoke to others from west Ga (team name intentionally omitted) and they experience the same difficulties as we did (fights, cops, etc).
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