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Weight limits in youth football??

Posted: 10/8/2008 11:03 AM

Weight limits in youth football?? 


My son is 10 years old, 5'3" and 130 lbs.  He's played since six and has always exceeded the limit to run the ball, but this is the first year he exceeded the weight limit to be a linebacker.   WOW! He absolutely HATES being told he is too heavy for something!  Is this weight limit really necessary?

His defense coach has him as defensive end,  because of his weight must be in 3pt stance.  Of course, as he always has, plays the offensive line.

My question to you is, why is the weight limit enforced, big stickers put on back of helmet and is this really necessary?
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Posted: 10/8/2008 12:41 PM

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I think if there are limits, they need to adjust them, kids are so much bigger these days. Iguess the limits allow 'all' kids to be involved, but then they leave out the larger kids. The stickers, I guess are to 'protect' the smaller or kids within the limits.
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Posted: 10/8/2008 1:12 PM

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I work for a Rec. Dept. and we have debated this topic for years. I have had the unfair job of being the guy who has to look an overweight kid in the eye and tell him he can't play. The state of Georgia is about to assume football competition just as it does baseball and basketball. Now would be a good time to talk to your local directors to make a push to change the weight limits. I do agree we need some type of limit. Maybe raising it 10-20 pounds would help?
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Posted: 10/8/2008 2:20 PM

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What do you mean that the state is about to assume football competition? Does that mean it becomes part of GRPA if it is based out of a rec dept? Still wont cover independent leagues? If GRPA does take over does that mean that it will have state playoffs like the other sports?
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:06 PM

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My son isn't overweight, weight comes with his height and build, to him frustrating none the less. It was very discouraging to him to be told he was too big to play his normal position. Too big, at any age can you give a complex. The county I live in, they do not ..not allow any children from playing, unless medical reasoning, but do have the weight limits on the positions. I'd hate to be you, the one that has to tell them that!

So by what you're saying, this is a GA regulation, not necessarily one adopted by the county we are in. I'm all about protecting these kids, but as competetive as even 10 yr old football is, what I see the most are the less experienced kids getting hurt, not necessarily the smallest.
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:15 PM

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I was stating that GRPA is going to have District and State playoffs starting next season for ages 8U, 10U, and 12U. It will not include travel teams. Travel teams will still exist. I think travel ball is great. We have been able to work together with travel coaches in all sports. It has helped our programs greatly. I don't know the answer to the weight issue but we need to take a further look into a change.
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:33 PM

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I agree, travel ball is great. Competetion for competetive kids. Son plays travel baseball, and has been on the travel football up until this year, I needed a break... I'm sure he'll go back to that again next year.

What is your opinion on Middle School vs. Rec Ball (baseball and/or football) Son goes to 6th grade next year and I've heard mixed opinions on what to let him play. In my area, it's one or the other, can't do both.
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Posted: 10/8/2008 3:40 PM

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Some Middle School coaches don't want their kids to play rec. ball.Our rec. program has been very good the last 5 seasons (thanks to some very good coaching). Our 6th graders can't play Middle School. Our rec. kids play 8-10 regular season games and 6-8 All Star games after that. In that case I would play the 16-18 rec. games instead of the 6-8 Middle School games. On the other hand if your kid is a "player" he needs to be involved in his school program asap. The rec. and Middle School need to work together. It can only help the local High Schools.

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Posted: 10/8/2008 10:45 PM

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I'll take a stab at answering a couple of the statements made previously...

WEIGHT LIMITS: I can understand why some people would want weight limits instituted but the league I co-administrate does NOT have ANY weight limits. Playing weight-limit-free ball does a very good job of policing itself. If a league does NOT have weight limits, as ours, you hardly EVER see a really large child running the ball or playing QB. At that point, the "natural" tendencies of the game take over and coaches do their best to put kids in a position to succeed to win the game. All things considered, I would vote against a weight limit any day of the week. After all, would you have a height limit in basketball or a pitch speed limit in baseball? It's a sport. Why are you going to disadvantage some kids because of who or what they are.

GRPA Competition: Yes, GRPA has made some major rule changes that will be affective later on this year. Having said that, I SERIOUSLY do not see the football rule changes taking root state-wide. Many of the smaller departments below Atlanta/Macon that rely heavily on GRPA-sanctioned competition may join the leagues and "bowls" but because of the nature of the sport I honestly don't see GRPA playoff football going very far.

Our department plays in a league that plays 8 regular season games and then has 3 rounds of playoffs. We start in late August and finish in mid-November. It already overlaps with baseball All-Stars and basketball so I KNOW our kids won't be playing more than the 11 games they already end up receiving.

Football is different than every other sport in that you, typically, will play once (MAYBE twice) per week. That, in itself, does not lend the sport to be of a "tournament format" that would be conducive to heavy travel where teams from several hours away play multiple times over several weekends.

Honestly, GRPA should have made changes a LONG time ago. They missed the boat in the early 2000's when baseball rules started changing so quickly.

Too many agencies have tasted other associations (Little League, Dizzy Dean, Dixie Youth) and will never return to "recreation" ball at it's purest form.

South Georgia recreation departments (aside from the major cities like Valdosta and Columbus) are what North Georgia recreation departments used to be 15 years ago.  Departments are feeling the heat and competition from independent booster clubs and parent-ran associations and are being forced to morph and mutate their goals and mission to ever-so-slightly cross into a more up-to-date and competitive brand of sport... rather than the great-granddaddy rules handed down by the guys who had been on the SAC for 30+ years.

Again, changes have been made- and will help- but not enough to issue the wholesale changes that everyone had been crying for 8-10 years ago.

Last edited 10/8/2008 10:45 PM by JeffAthletics45

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Posted: 10/9/2008 8:59 AM

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I agree, at the ages of 11,12,13,14 I think the game itself and the coaches should/would tend to place kids in where they would play in the future, sometimes you see a 200+ lb running back in middle school or in high school, but the most are 170-190 and somewhat smaller in middle schools. Very seldom have I seen a "big" kid running rampant over smaller kids his same age, in the unlimited leagues that I have watched the last few years. In our area, the kids are allowed to play both middle school and park/travel/rec. I don't like it but it does have it's pro's and con's....the schools pactice every week day, we practice 3 days a week( sounds almost like 2-a-days) but at the 8th grade level we at the park have to curtail some of the 'full contact' hitting, and only recently has there been injuries from one to the other, but as a whole there isn't alot of work between middle schools and high schools in this area as there are so many schools feeding into the highschools, and some middle schools here are feeding 2 high schools as the boundries are ever changing with the grouth in henry county. As for clayton, where some of our park players come from there isn't mmuch "work" at all from middle to high, and you can see that by watching both play and the totally different schemes on the defense and offenses run. But that is the problem with so many high schools in a small area, alot of this area you can draw a 10 mile circle and find 3 high schools in it.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 9:10 AM

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To both of you, thank you. We have a small, and what I used to think, progressive community. It's very sports influenenced. We have a lot of talent and great coaches in our area. However, because of the parents - I don't see our area doing away with weight limits, but I very much agree with what was said above, their are no height limits or weight limits in basketball or baseball. (and btw, my son gets injured more during baseball than he does football) I don't think doing away with weight limits will harm the children in any way, as long as you have responsible coaching. He's played both REC and South GA Premiere football, both having weight limits enforced for certain positions. I don't see this helping them, as they are preparing for school ball.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 9:29 AM

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Well I've been looking for years, for a basketball league that limits on: hieght, shooting ability, limits on how high you can jump and how fast you can run....this way I can compete...hmmm over 45 and 200+ basketball..comedy channel will carry games, just joking. Really tho, it was said above that there are not any height limits in aau basketball, and I have seen 13 yr old kids throwing 85 mph and have sick breaking balls in travel baseball, I know that football is more of a contact sport, but I would rather teach a 9-10 yr old how to tackle, properly, against a "larger" kid his age than have to teach a 13-14yr old or older to do the same thing...I think the older kid may have a higher chance of getting hurt. We have scrimmaged a couple of "unlimited" teams his year and I have watched others play in leagues around were I live, It seems that there are so many leagues/teams out there that the coaching seems to be falling off. I know in our "limit" league, which IS very competitve, if your coaching falls off you WILL get smoked quickly. I wish we could up the limits in the older ages and that would get the kids from middle schools...I have watch middle school games in clayton, henry, fayette, dekalb counties and have seen 'park/travel' games in the same area and the coaching and level of play doesn't compare...there are some exceptions though and nothing meant to the middle school coaches, but I'd rather have them be good teachers in the class room than on the football field..and not all rec/park/travel coaches are perfect or that good either, I know I have alot of room for improvemnt. Just my "not so humble oppinion"
competence leads to confidence...Gen William Livsey.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 10:03 AM

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That made me laugh, thank you! When that comes on the comedy channel, please let me know! I have always enjoyed football.. Like I said, he's 10, but they scrimmage many 12U teams and they have always held their own,(contributed to their coaches & coaching) Our boys are prepared and have gotten great instruction, from the early age (of 6) )

I asked earlier about playing school or rec because I've heard that if he doesn't go out for school 6th or 7th grade, that he may not play much his 8th grade year. I've also been told he'll become a better player staying in REC and that a school coach will play his good players, regardless if they played 2 yrs prior. I do wish our area would let 11 yr olds play both, but they don't... so I have only a few months to make that decision I suppose.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 2:48 PM

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Kids trying to play both rec and middle school ball at the same time is irresponsible. A kids body cannot take the beating of a 2 hr middle school practice and then go to a 1.5 hr rec practice without his body paying for it down the road. As the football director at our local rec we made that decision for the kids and parents by saying no. If a school teams loses a key player to an injury from a rec league game that would be a travesty for the player and school. If a player has a middle school game the same day as his rec team what does he do? His rec team will probably lose out on him. Burn the candle at both ends and you burn the child out.
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Posted: 10/9/2008 2:56 PM

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Our 6th grade team only plays approx 6 games from my understanding.. Is that the case everywhere?
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Posted: 10/9/2008 3:37 PM

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well in this case the middle school 'teams' stand around while the coach 'coaches' his stars, middle school ball around here is secondary to the travel/rec teams. Unfortunately this the only place for alot of the bigger kids to play because of the weight restrictions in leagues around our area. Trust me, we don't want our kids playing both...but we curtail our practices accordingly. If one of 'our' kids had a game w'school the same day as our travel team, I don't think it would be much of a choice for the kid or parent...the school coach would have to deal with t, but our team is not the normal 'rec team'. If our league/association dis-allowed both then we would have to comply, some 'parks' in our league and individual coaches don't allow both, and now alot of the parents on our team would probably go along with us, if we said no to both, now as they see what kind of football is being played/coached locally. Some kids 'bring it' every play and some are out there for 'after school w/pads and helmets. But it may be different in other areas that don't have so many middle school teams as we do
competence leads to confidence...Gen William Livsey.

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Posted: 10/10/2008 8:23 AM

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In our rec league we only limit the weight on skill players. Otherwise we let the kids play within their own age group unlike pop warner. Our middle schools here have  seperate 6th grade teams and league so no standing around for the 6th graders.
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Posted: 10/10/2008 9:58 AM

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we need to work something like that out here.
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Posted: 10/10/2008 1:05 PM

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Is Defensive End considered a skilled position?
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Posted: 10/10/2008 1:51 PM

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No, DE is not a skill player. Skill players are normally QB, RB, WR and TEs. We also dont allow overweight players to return kicks or punts.
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