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Posted: 11/11/2012 4:56 PM

OT: Derek Dooley 


A friend of mine with connections at Tennessee is hearing that Derek Dooley has been fired. I have not seen any other confirmation on this so who knows. It would not surprise me however.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:15 PM

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middlefan2001 wrote: A friend of mine with connections at Tennessee is hearing that Derek Dooley has been fired. I have not seen any other confirmation on this so who knows. It would not surprise me however.
Everybody expected his departure and when they actually lost to Mizzou the powers that be likely had enough. I've seen a couple of things saying they aren't sure when the announcement will come, but that Dooley will NOT be the coach in Knoxville next season.

On that note, I've seen a lot of people mention James Franklin as a potential hire which is interesting since Middle Tennessee has Vanderbilt on the schedule in the next few years. Franklin has them playing in a very non-Vandy fashion and it'd be great if he was gone the next time the Blue Raiders met the Commodores on the gridiron.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:23 PM

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middlefan2001 wrote: A friend of mine with connections at Tennessee is hearing that Derek Dooley has been fired. I have not seen any other confirmation on this so who knows. It would not surprise me however.
Everybody expected his departure and when they actually lost to Mizzou the powers that be likely had enough. I've seen a couple of things saying they aren't sure when the announcement will come, but that Dooley will NOT be the coach in Knoxville next season.

On that note, I've seen a lot of people mention James Franklin as a potential hire which is interesting since Middle Tennessee has Vanderbilt on the schedule in the next few years. Franklin has them playing in a very non-Vandy fashion and it'd be great if he was gone the next time the Blue Raiders met the Commodores on the gridiron.

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I cannot see UT hiring Franklin. If he leaves Vandy it will not be about money.
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Posted: 11/11/2012 5:51 PM

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mtsig wrote:

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middlefan2001 wrote: A friend of mine with connections at Tennessee is hearing that Derek Dooley has been fired. I have not seen any other confirmation on this so who knows. It would not surprise me however.
Everybody expected his departure and when they actually lost to Mizzou the powers that be likely had enough. I've seen a couple of things saying they aren't sure when the announcement will come, but that Dooley will NOT be the coach in Knoxville next season.

On that note, I've seen a lot of people mention James Franklin as a potential hire which is interesting since Middle Tennessee has Vanderbilt on the schedule in the next few years. Franklin has them playing in a very non-Vandy fashion and it'd be great if he was gone the next time the Blue Raiders met the Commodores on the gridiron.

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I cannot see UT hiring Franklin. If he leaves Vandy it will not be about money.
I dunno. You could argue it's the money or the bigger program that would be appealing about the job, but they sort of go hand-in-hand and Tennessee definitely has both. Even as bad as they've been the last few years, UT is WAY better than Vanderbilt as far as a football program goes.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:03 PM

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Vandy is a terrible job - you've got a glass ceiling there.

 

If Franklin is offered the UTk job, which I don't think is probable, or any other football school job, he's gone.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 6:29 PM

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RaiderDoug wrote:

Vandy is a terrible job - you've got a glass ceiling there.

 

If Franklin is offered the UTk job, which I don't think is probable, or any other football school job, he's gone.

Normally I don't see them dropping down to a coach on Franklin's level, but there's a more desirable job in the SEC available this season in Auburn. You could also argue that Arkansas is on par with Tennessee (based on recent success AND the fact that they have so much pull in the recruiting game in their state). 

I honestly don't know if there are enough suitable candidates for the amount of big time jobs opening up this season - not to mention the trickle down that will happen once moves start to be made.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:05 PM

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Franklin is just what UT-k needs.

A little brash, but still kind of "ivy league".

If the guy can recruit to Vandy, he'll go nuts at Tenn-Knox.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:12 PM

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Auburn, Arkansas, really??? Come on man... that reals of a little brother mentality.

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RaiderDoug wrote:Vandy is a terrible job - you've got a glass ceiling there.

 

If Franklin is offered the UTk job, which I don't think is probable, or any other football school job, he's gone.

Normally I don't see them dropping down to a coach on Franklin's level, but there's a more desirable job in the SEC available this season in Auburn. You could also argue that Arkansas is on par with Tennessee (based on recent success AND the fact that they have so much pull in the recruiting game in their state). 

I honestly don't know if there are enough suitable candidates for the amount of big time jobs opening up this season - not to mention the trickle down that will happen once moves start to be made.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:15 PM

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I spoke to a UT guy who has a family member on the "board" at UT, and he says Auburn has more cashflow than Tennessee.

I found that hard to believe.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:21 PM

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RockyattheTop wrote: Auburn, Arkansas, really??? Come on man... that reals of a little brother mentality.

Huh?


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:23 PM

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BlueHillbilly wrote: I spoke to a UT guy who has a family member on the "board" at UT, and he says Auburn has more cashflow than Tennessee.

I found that hard to believe.
It doesn't surprise me to be honest. Auburn has the Crimson Tide to compete with in-state, so their boosters try to attack the problem with money - which served them well until Chizik's regime.


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:24 PM

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When it comes to athletics, Tennessee could match every Auburn dollar 2-1.

Trust me.... The report of the athletic department operating last year in the red was nothing more than show. The only SEC Schools with more (potentially available) athletic dollars is Florida, Georgia and aTm.

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I spoke to a UT guy who has a family member on the "board" at UT, and he says Auburn has more cashflow than Tennessee.

I found that hard to believe.

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:36 PM

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RockyattheTop wrote: When it comes to athletics, Tennessee could match every Auburn dollar 2-1.

Trust me.... The report of the athletic department operating last year in the red was nothing more than show. The only SEC Schools with more (potentially available) athletic dollars is Florida, Georgia and aTm.
These reports are from last season, but it appears that Auburn has higher revenue AND donations than Tennessee. According to Kristi Dosh (Busincess of College Sports - she knows her stuff), this is how they rank in the SEC:

Revenue

Auburn - ranked 5th with $66 million 
Tennessee - ranked 7th with $56.5 million

Donations
 
Auburn - ranked 4th with $29.7 million
Tennessee - ranked 5th with $27.9 million


Also - neither one of these take A&M or Missouri into account, but as it stands, Auburn outranked Tennessee in both categories last year. noidea


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:44 PM

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Which is why I said "potentially available".

Let's not be naive here... Last year Auburn was coming off a BCS National Championship and Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season in football. The horse that pulls the carriage.

It's OK for you to hate UT. I get it.... But don't let it blind you to logic.
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RockyattheTop wrote: When it comes to athletics, Tennessee could match every Auburn dollar 2-1.

Trust me.... The report of the athletic department operating last year in the red was nothing more than show. The only SEC Schools with more (potentially available) athletic dollars is Florida, Georgia and aTm.
These reports are from last season, but it appears that Auburn has higher revenue AND donations than Tennessee. According to Kristi Dosh (Busincess of College Sports - she knows her stuff), this is how they rank in the SEC:

Revenue

Auburn - ranked 5th with $66 million 
Tennessee - ranked 7th with $56.5 million

Donations
 
Auburn - ranked 4th with $29.7 million
Tennessee - ranked 5th with $27.9 million


Also - neither one of these take A&M or Missouri into account, but as it stands, Auburn outranked Tennessee in both categories last year. noidea

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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:51 PM

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RockyattheTop wrote:
Which is why I said "potentially available".

Let's not be naive here... Last year Auburn was coming off a BCS National Championship and Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season in football. The horse that pulls the carriage.

It's OK for you to hate UT. I get it.... But don't let it blind you to logic.
Oh right, because backing up an opinion with informed analysis and actual statistics is blind hatred ... ? 

That said, I think it could easily be said your Tennessee homer-ism is preventing you from approaching this particular topic logically so we'll just chalk up to a difference of opinion, but I still believe Auburn is a better job than Tennessee right now and Arkansas is roughly on par. It is what it is. noidea


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Posted: 11/11/2012 7:57 PM

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Hey man, I'm an accountant and know what you can do with numbers.

Forgive me if I don't subscribe to the idea that football began in 2010.
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RockyattheTop wrote:
Which is why I said "potentially available".

Let's not be naive here... Last year Auburn was coming off a BCS National Championship and Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season in football. The horse that pulls the carriage.

It's OK for you to hate UT. I get it.... But don't let it blind you to logic.
Oh right, because backing up an opinion with informed analysis and actual statistics is blind hatred ... ? 

That said, I think it could easily be said your Tennessee homer-ism is preventing you from approaching this particular topic logically so we'll just chalk up to a difference of opinion, but I still believe Auburn is a better job than Tennessee right now and Arkansas is roughly on par. It is what it is. noidea

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Posted: 11/11/2012 8:18 PM

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I work at Wal-Mart as a cashier. You won't believe what I can do with a keypad and a scanner.
RockyattheTop wrote: Hey man, I'm an accountant and know what you can do with numbers.

Forgive me if I don't subscribe to the idea that football began in 2010.
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RockyattheTop wrote:
Which is why I said "potentially available".

Let's not be naive here... Last year Auburn was coming off a BCS National Championship and Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season in football. The horse that pulls the carriage.

It's OK for you to hate UT. I get it.... But don't let it blind you to logic.
Oh right, because backing up an opinion with informed analysis and actual statistics is blind hatred ... ? 

That said, I think it could easily be said your Tennessee homer-ism is preventing you from approaching this particular topic logically so we'll just chalk up to a difference of opinion, but I still believe Auburn is a better job than Tennessee right now and Arkansas is roughly on par. It is what it is. noidea

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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:25 AM

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KellenFarmer wrote:
RockyattheTop wrote:
Which is why I said "potentially available".

Let's not be naive here... Last year Auburn was coming off a BCS National Championship and Tennessee was coming off a 5-7 season in football. The horse that pulls the carriage.

It's OK for you to hate UT. I get it.... But don't let it blind you to logic.
Oh right, because backing up an opinion with informed analysis and actual statistics is blind hatred ... ? 

That said, I think it could easily be said your Tennessee homer-ism is preventing you from approaching this particular topic logically so we'll just chalk up to a difference of opinion, but I still believe Auburn is a better job than Tennessee right now and Arkansas is roughly on par. It is what it is. noidea
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Posted: 11/12/2012 8:55 AM

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So I live in Chattanooga and only have to drive about 10 minutes to and from work. Of course everyone that lives in Tennessee in the Chattanooga area are huge UTK fans. We have one of the worst sports radio stations in all of radio. The guys on there are pure UTK homers, you know the kind that think that UTK is one of the top 10 premier programs in the nation. They act like they have been in the top 25 since the beginning of NCAA football. So everyday for that 10 minute drive home I have to listen to the orange sunglass wearing, shitty sports commentators talk about how Gruden is the next UTK coach and how they will be at the top of the heap in no time once they get said coach. Its like listening to nails on a chalkboard. Thank god that drive is only 10 minutes.

It would be a different story if UTK had won multiple championships in different decades.
I have tried to live my life so that my family would love me and my friends respect me. The others can do whatever the hell they please.  - John Wayne
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Posted: 11/12/2012 9:21 AM

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I think you'd be hard pressed to find 1 person in 10 that would think Auburn is a better job than UTk.

Tennessee's been a 100 million + athletic dept for half a decade now. Auburn, just once, and that was coming off a national title. With a subsidy 4X that of what Tennessee gets.

Facilities, tradition, history, name brand, NCAA run-ins, the fact that Tennessee doesn't have to go through Bama/LSU and now Texas A&M (going to be a monster) are all in UTk's favor there.

During the Fulmer days, the only schools with a bigger budget than TN was Ohio State and Texas, so if they can get it going in Knoxville again, they've got the resources.

I live in Knoxville, so I get the orange mania non-stop. Gruden is a pipe dream. I think they'll go for a big name HC though, not some assistant. Someone like Charlie Strong. I think they'll call Gary Patterson at TCU and the Boise coach, and will see if they're interested.

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