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l6ozbud: The Dude of Cincinnati

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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:40 PM

l6ozbud: The Dude of Cincinnati 


Ha ha, no.... not really.  Seriously, NO.

It's no secret on this board I've doubted the Dude's claims that the Big 12 has the cache to raid the ACC.
It seems now his position is in the process of changing.  Some interesting writing coming from the Dude himself:

The Dude of WV @ theDudeofWV potentially bad news for the Big 12.


Speculation has begun that the B1G is coming after member(s) of the Big 12.

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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:47 PM

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l6ozbud wrote: Ha ha, no.... not really.  Seriously, NO.

It's no secret on this board I've doubted the Dude's claims that the Big 12 has the cache to raid the ACC.
It seems now his position is in the process of changing.  Some interesting writing coming from the Dude himself:

The Dude of WV @ theDudeofWV potentially bad news for the Big 12.


Speculation has begun that the B1G is coming after member(s) of the Big 12.
Texas?
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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:49 PM

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I doubt it. I think his cryptic tweets might be about potentially losing FSU as much as a fringe Big 12 school (maybe Kansas?). I doubt the B1G wants FSU though.

My point in the post was that nobody really knows what's going on.

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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:54 PM

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That is funny.  I can tell you "Dude", that while I have been finding the expansion talk kind of addicting to read, the non-action makes the whole thing feel like a soap opera that doesn't ever go anywhere.  Now with this coming out, it seems everything is getting thrown on the wall to see what sticks.

I'm about ready to check out for a bit.  I've got six weeks of giving up something starting tomorrow, and it might have to be reading about expansion talk.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 3:58 PM

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Texas - Kansas - Iowa State are members of the AAU, if the B1G were to go after B12 schools, it would be difficult to not take OU.

At this time if you are in either the ACC or B12 and not a member of the AAU, you have to be  keeping close tabs on the AAU members within your conference.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 4:04 PM

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Texas would be their top target.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 4:29 PM

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I genuinely feel that the SEC and the B1G are more interested in western expansion than eastern at this time. I've heard Kansas as a potential for the B1G for some time, though I'm not sure they're a big enough name. Frankly, taking Nebraska, Maryland, and Rutgers was a very lack luster move on the part of the B1G. Made sense from a TV standpoint, but not from a content standpoint. I'm just not sure too many folks are going to line up to watch the big Cornhuskers vs. Scarlet Knight matchups. What the B1G needs now is to grow it's cache' in terms of name schools. Texas and Oklahoma would do that for them, though I'm not entirely certain they'd get BOTH.

As for the SEC, I think they want to build a western half to the conference and slide some teams into the eastern division to balance power out some in the conference, and to move to new markets. Sure we can talk about the Carolinas and Virginia, and the SEC may indeed want those...I think they're seeing more potential, at the moment, in the west.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 4:33 PM

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I cannot see the other 14 schools in the Big 10 allowing Texas to keep the LHN, and I cannot see Texas giving up the LHN. The LHN is why Texas to the PAC 12 fell apart in the summer of 2011 when the Big 12 was within days of totally collapsing. ESPN pays Texas $15 million a year for the LHN.

CardinalX3 wrote: Texas would be their top target.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 4:41 PM

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Didn't say it would happen.  Just sayin' who they'd like.  They'd also like Notre Dame, but they aren't likely either.  I think at one point, Texas and Notre Dame were the two top earners in college football.

But both will change...if they have too.  Right now they don't.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 4:58 PM

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I can't see Texas giving up the Longhorn Network...but I can see ESPN giving it up. Apparently it's not as big of a money maker for them as they had hoped, especially losing the high school coverage they had hoped for.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 6:15 PM

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The Longhorn network has been a complete bust for all involved. Even Mack Brown hates it. There have been discussions around Texas entering Delany's web for sometime now.
Kansas is attractive for one main reason- it secures access, or at least a point of penetration into, to the Denver cable market, which owns Western Kansas.
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I can't see Texas giving up the Longhorn Network...but I can see ESPN giving it up. Apparently it's not as big of a money maker for them as they had hoped, especially losing the high school coverage they had hoped for.

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Posted: 2/12/2013 7:21 PM

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The problem however Crane as I pointed out, is that Kansas isn't a "sexy" name in sports. In basketball sure, which is more than Maryland and Rutgers had going for them on the field of play, but the B1G risks watering down their product in pursuit of TVs if they're not careful...and I think they're smart enough to realize that. As happy as I am that Louisville is in the ACC, I don't see a marquee name there that would move the needle enough for the B1G Network. What they need now are big match ups to show on those TV sets they've brought in. Kansas vs. Nebraska isn't it. Texas vs. Michigan or OK vs. OSU...now you have something.
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Posted: 2/12/2013 9:01 PM

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I dont disagree with you. Im just going with what I have heard from the pro Kansas camp. My same source said the B10 would do things differently- more teams in stealth mode- than they did with Nebraska.

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The problem however Crane as I pointed out, is that Kansas isn't a "sexy" name in sports. In basketball sure, which is more than Maryland and Rutgers had going for them on the field of play, but the B1G risks watering down their product in pursuit of TVs if they're not careful...and I think they're smart enough to realize that. As happy as I am that Louisville is in the ACC, I don't see a marquee name there that would move the needle enough for the B1G Network. What they need now are big match ups to show on those TV sets they've brought in. Kansas vs. Nebraska isn't it. Texas vs. Michigan or OK vs. OSU...now you have something.

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Posted: 2/12/2013 11:11 PM

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3rdandBlunder wrote: The problem however Crane as I pointed out, is that Kansas isn't a "sexy" name in sports. In basketball sure, which is more than Maryland and Rutgers had going for them on the field of play, but the B1G risks watering down their product in pursuit of TVs if they're not careful...and I think they're smart enough to realize that. As happy as I am that Louisville is in the ACC, I don't see a marquee name there that would move the needle enough for the B1G Network. What they need now are big match ups to show on those TV sets they've brought in. Kansas vs. Nebraska isn't it. Texas vs. Michigan or OK vs. OSU...now you have something.
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...1014167994.html

I hear what you are saying as I was initialy sceptical of both, but I think you have to imagine how the teams could be in 10 years with the increased exposure, $ and recruiting.  The link above describes how Rutgers may be benefiting already.  Who knows... teams can become good and quickly be a brand name.

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Posted: 2/13/2013 6:08 AM

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Rutgers has had solidly decent years, this past included, from which to build...however, the B1G must think short term as well as long term. They've taken two, arguable three "brand building" projects with Maryland, Rutgers, and Nebraska. Nebraska has history, but not a great deal of recent success relatively speaking. That's fine, but they'll need marquee names RIGHT NOW to get attention and THEN hope that the projects can keep the interest in the network. That, and there's a ton of TVs in Texas...and when it comes to the LHN, all is not well in paradise.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:30 PM

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Of course the B1G wants Texas, but taking Kansas may be the way to unsettle the Big 12 and get Texas.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:35 PM

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CincinnatiKid wrote:
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001...1014167994.html

I hear what you are saying as I was initialy sceptical of both, but I think you have to imagine how the teams could be in 10 years with the increased exposure, $ and recruiting.  The link above describes how Rutgers may be benefiting already.  Who knows... teams can become good and quickly be a brand name.

this is pulled out of the wall street journal link you provided.

Lester Liston, a linebacker from Grand Blanc, Mich., who attended Hargrave Military Academy in the fall, committed to Rutgers in September and already has enrolled. He calls Rutgers's move to the Big Ten a "blessing."

liston was a cincinnati commit out of high school, but he had to go to prep school due to grades. i wonder if he'd still be a bearcat if rutgers were still in the sinking big east like we are.

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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:53 PM

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The big 12 and the big 10 both have GORs. If Delany challenges the Big 12's GOR he is destroying his own at the same time. Texas ain't going to a conference to be second fiddle to anyone. They want to run the show. Also, they aren't going to be able to screw over Baylor and Tech. Baylor and Tech alums are very prominent in Texas gov't and legislator, so that isn't happening. Baylor was raising hell when Texas was talking to the Pac 12. There needs to be a major conference to serve the state of Texas and the midwest to bridge the gap to the Pac 12. The SEC can't take 4 Texas schools and OU/OSU, they would have too many and the SEC doesn't like multiple teams in one state. It isn't the B1G's business model either with the B1G network plus they have AAU restrictions.

The ACC has the weakest competition in football BY FAR, and 2 of the 3 "premier" programs in the league are in states with SEC schools whose programs dwarf theirs and the gap is getting wider. Their is no reason for the ACC to continue to exist. Many of the schools are small-time programs with underwhelming fanbases and fan support. Get the good programs out of there (along with Cincy and UConn) and  divide them up between the SEC/B1G/Big 12 and call it a day.

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Posted: 2/13/2013 12:56 PM

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3rdandBlunder wrote: Rutgers has had solidly decent years, this past included, from which to build...however, the B1G must think short term as well as long term. They've taken two, arguable three "brand building" projects with Maryland, Rutgers, and Nebraska. Nebraska has history, but not a great deal of recent success relatively speaking. That's fine, but they'll need marquee names RIGHT NOW to get attention and THEN hope that the projects can keep the interest in the network. That, and there's a ton of TVs in Texas...and when it comes to the LHN, all is not well in paradise.
Nebraska is a marquee name and national brand. To think otherwise is naive.
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Posted: 2/13/2013 1:06 PM

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Sevendust912 wrote:
3rdandBlunder wrote: Rutgers has had solidly decent years, this past included, from which to build...however, the B1G must think short term as well as long term. They've taken two, arguable three "brand building" projects with Maryland, Rutgers, and Nebraska. Nebraska has history, but not a great deal of recent success relatively speaking. That's fine, but they'll need marquee names RIGHT NOW to get attention and THEN hope that the projects can keep the interest in the network. That, and there's a ton of TVs in Texas...and when it comes to the LHN, all is not well in paradise.
Nebraska is a marquee name and national brand. To think otherwise is naive.
Yep I agree.  By the above logic, the only conference that should be raided is the SEC since they have won NC's the past decade.  Also I am not sure they need "attention", to me its a matter of not wanting to dilute the quality of the conference but instead enhance it.
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