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$15 Million

Posted: 2/6/2013 8:56 PM

$15 Million 


If this is true, and Maryland gets out of the ACC for $15 million, I think the stage is set for the ACC raiding that would have to happen between now and 7/1/13 when the $50 million exit fee would take effect.

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Exit fee is a catalyst. $15 million exit fee (exactly what UMD expects to pay) then whoosh! Out the door!
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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:09 PM

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FYI I can't find anything anywhere to support that the $15 million number is settled on or even offered as a compromise between UMD/ACC.  The Dude and Oliver Luck (WVU AD) speculate that if it is $15-20 million instead of $50, lots of movement will ensue.  Duh. 

Still looking to see if any substantiation to this...

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Posted: 2/6/2013 9:42 PM

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Meh, those WVU guys were all saying there were only going to have to pay $5-7.5M to leave the BE (Some claimed they were going to win their lawsuit and have to pay nothing).   In the end they paid $20M.   Can't see the Terps paying less than $20M and my best guess is it will be closer to $30M when it is all said and done.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:47 AM

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It's funny, all of this realignment talk as it pertains to the Big 12 potentially raiding the ACC seems to be an extension of the feud between West Virginia and Louisville that began after the Mountaineers secured the Big 12 bid over the Cards. Louisville fans REALLY wanted the Big 12 invite. When WVU emerged as a candidate at the end and secured the bid over Louisville, Card fans got very, very bitter toward the Big 12 and the war of words began on these boards. No other chatter seems to originate from any other program besides the two. The WVU side and their mouth piece "The Dude" says it's happening. Louisville side says no way. I'm guessing because their hurt feelings want no part of the Big 12 or reuniting with the Mountaineers in the Big 12.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:54 AM

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Meh, those WVU guys were all saying there were only going to have to pay $5-7.5M to leave the BE (Some claimed they were going to win their lawsuit and have to pay nothing).   In the end they paid $20M.   Can't see the Terps paying less than $20M and my best guess is it will be closer to $30M when it is all said and done.

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But that 20M was for a negotiated EARLY exit. It would have been smaller had they waited. $50M seems punitive, I would have to assume it will be I'm the $20M range, but how long will it drag out?
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:02 AM

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Even if the Maryland exit fee were to be $0, no other ACC school is going to leave the ACC.

With the playoff/BCS Bowl dollars set until 2025, all owned by ESPN which also owns 100% of the ACC TV rights, it is unlikely any movement between members of the Power 5 will occur until after 2025 at the earliest.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:23 AM

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My hunch is the ACC is going to fight this tooth and nail.
If they only hold them to $15-mil I'll be suprised.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:33 AM

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l6ozbud wrote: It's funny, all of this realignment talk as it pertains to the Big 12 potentially raiding the ACC seems to be an extension of the feud between West Virginia and Louisville that began after the Mountaineers secured the Big 12 bid over the Cards. Louisville fans REALLY wanted the Big 12 invite. When WVU emerged as a candidate at the end and secured the bid over Louisville, Card fans got very, very bitter toward the Big 12 and the war of words began on these boards. No other chatter seems to originate from any other program besides the two. The WVU side and their mouth piece "The Dude" says it's happening. Louisville side says no way. I'm guessing because their hurt feelings want no part of the Big 12 or reuniting with the Mountaineers in the Big 12.

Yep.   The Louisville-WVU is the Hatfield and McCoys all over again.  It is funny now because all the Louisville guys are now saying they always wanted the ACC which we know is not true.   They had guys who had B12 signatures for crying out loud.   On the other hand, WVU fans are obsessed with the destruction of the ACC and throw out every possible doomsday scenario that they "heard from a source" is about to happen.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:41 AM

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There must be something in the water/air in those two states and maybe rural Virginia too that causes people to have such deep seeded irrational life-long hatred.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:23 AM

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CliftonAve wrote:
l6ozbud wrote: It's funny, all of this realignment talk as it pertains to the Big 12 potentially raiding the ACC seems to be an extension of the feud between West Virginia and Louisville that began after the Mountaineers secured the Big 12 bid over the Cards. Louisville fans REALLY wanted the Big 12 invite. When WVU emerged as a candidate at the end and secured the bid over Louisville, Card fans got very, very bitter toward the Big 12 and the war of words began on these boards. No other chatter seems to originate from any other program besides the two. The WVU side and their mouth piece "The Dude" says it's happening. Louisville side says no way. I'm guessing because their hurt feelings want no part of the Big 12 or reuniting with the Mountaineers in the Big 12.

Yep.   The Louisville-WVU is the Hatfield and McCoys all over again.  It is funny now because all the Louisville guys are now saying they always wanted the ACC which we know is not true.   They had guys who had B12 signatures for crying out loud.   On the other hand, WVU fans are obsessed with the destruction of the ACC and throw out every possible doomsday scenario that they "heard from a source" is about to happen.
Also, remember that video clip with TJ being interviewed after being denied the B-12?  He was somber, and almost depressed throughout.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:14 PM

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Wake me up when the dude actually tweets/posts something that comes to fruition.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 2:27 PM

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bearcat29 wrote: Wake me up when the dude actually tweets/posts something that comes to fruition.

Yeah... although concerned about the situation, it's beyond my personal control (and pretty much UC's too).  Thus, I have found it a waste of time to discuss.

I don't mind reading things though.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 3:31 PM

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bearcat29 wrote: Wake me up when the dude actually tweets/posts something that comes to fruition.
Jim Delany will make that wake-up call.  I don't know The Dude's history, but he's not wrong here.  Once the Maryland suit has established precedent, the B1G will move and probably before this summer.  What happens after that is anybody's guess.  Maybe the ACC sticks together and invites teams to replace the departed----that certainly would bode well for us.  

It's all speculation that the SEC would be interested in going beyond 14.  I'm just not convinced the Big 12 is in a position of strength.  If the SEC wanted to move, why would they be forced to take ACC teams?  They, along with the PAC could eventually blow up the Big 12.  Think about it.  If we're really headed for three or four super conferences, where does the PAC look if the Big 12 is one of them?  The problem with the Big 12 is that their footprint is bottom loaded (Texas) with people.  The state of Texas drives the TV revenue for the Big 12.  Remove the state of Texas from the Big 12 footprint and NOBODY is watching Big 12 games.   Why not Texas/TTech to the PAC and OU/OSU to the SEC eventually?
I just have a hard time envisioning a scenario where THE major athletic conference based on the east coast is blown up in favor of a conference that revolves around the state of Texas.  The midwest looks to the east coast in this country, not the other way around.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 4:18 PM

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l6ozbud wrote:
bearcat29 wrote: Wake me up when the dude actually tweets/posts something that comes to fruition.
Jim Delany will make that wake-up call.  I don't know The Dude's history, but he's not wrong here.  Once the Maryland suit has established precedent, the B1G will move and probably before this summer.  What happens after that is anybody's guess.  Maybe the ACC sticks together and invites teams to replace the departed----that certainly would bode well for us.  

It's all speculation that the SEC would be interested in going beyond 14.  I'm just not convinced the Big 12 is in a position of strength.  If the SEC wanted to move, why would they be forced to take ACC teams?  They, along with the PAC could eventually blow up the Big 12.  Think about it.  If we're really headed for three or four super conferences, where does the PAC look if the Big 12 is one of them?  The problem with the Big 12 is that their footprint is bottom loaded (Texas) with people.  The state of Texas drives the TV revenue for the Big 12.  Remove the state of Texas from the Big 12 footprint and NOBODY is watching Big 12 games.   Why not Texas/TTech to the PAC and OU/OSU to the SEC eventually?
I just have a hard time envisioning a scenario where THE major athletic conference based on the east coast is blown up in favor of a conference that revolves around the state of Texas.  The midwest looks to the east coast in this country, not the other way around.

Just last night WVU AD Oliver Luck was on the radio and said he does not think conference expansion is over and that things will start to shake out after the MD lawsuit was resolved. 

http://www.wvusports.com/
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Posted: 2/7/2013 4:26 PM

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Yep, just not convinced the Big 12 will benefit at the expense of the ACC.
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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:42 PM

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So, the Dude of WV now has inside access to how the judge would likely decide the case?
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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:49 PM

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I doubt it's out of spite for WVU. As basketball fans of a university partially dependent upon exposure in east coast markets, I think they actually prefer the ACC, with its Television markets and basketball prestige. They also get to play Notre Dame, which has a national brand, and is even in the same region. If I recall, I read a quote from their AD, Tom Jurich saying he is actually happy he got to join the ACC instead of the Big 12.
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It's funny, all of this realignment talk as it pertains to the Big 12 potentially raiding the ACC seems to be an extension of the feud between West Virginia and Louisville that began after the Mountaineers secured the Big 12 bid over the Cards. Louisville fans REALLY wanted the Big 12 invite. When WVU emerged as a candidate at the end and secured the bid over Louisville, Card fans got very, very bitter toward the Big 12 and the war of words began on these boards. No other chatter seems to originate from any other program besides the two. The WVU side and their mouth piece "The Dude" says it's happening. Louisville side says no way. I'm guessing because their hurt feelings want no part of the Big 12 or reuniting with the Mountaineers in the Big 12.

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Last edited 2/7/2013 11:52 PM by FloridaBull

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Posted: 2/8/2013 1:10 AM

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My prediction:

What will amount to likely the last B12/B1G/ACC shakeup is on the horizon and waiting for the Maryland exit fee verdict/settlement-

So long as it is in the $15-20 million range (as expected) I will wager that:

1.  The B1G takes 2 out of the ACC, to go to 16

2.  The B12 goes after 2 in the ACC.  I'm not 100% sure that the schools they are after will take their offer, however.

3.  I think it can be safely said that the B12 really does not want UC.  1/28 and 1/29 came and went without any movement.  The B12 seems bearish on expansion and will only do so if the right schools (i.e. FSU, Clemsen) just happen to fall into their lap.

4.  The ACC backfills with UC and UConn.  Net loss of 2 schools.

Game over.  

I don't think we see 4 16-team superconferences.  That scenario would require ND joining a conference, which really would have to be the B1G.  I don't see ND as a fit anywhere else. I think ND would clearly lose $ under that arrangement (vs what they are getting now).  This alone would prevent a 4-superconference system and a 4-team playoff.

Therefore I don't see the ACC completely disintegrating.  I don't see the B12 expanding beyond 12.
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Posted: 2/8/2013 1:18 AM

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That would really stink for USF. We would lose literally 100% of our pre-2012 conference mates.
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My prediction:

What will amount to likely the last B12/B1G/ACC shakeup is on the horizon and waiting for the Maryland exit fee verdict/settlement-

So long as it is in the $15-20 million range (as expected) I will wager that:

1.  The B1G takes 2 out of the ACC, to go to 16

2.  The B12 goes after 2 in the ACC.  I'm not 100% sure that the schools they are after will take their offer, however.

3.  I think it can be safely said that the B12 really does not want UC.  1/28 and 1/29 came and went without any movement.  The B12 seems bearish on expansion and will only do so if the right schools (i.e. FSU, Clemsen) just happen to fall into their lap.

4.  The ACC backfills with UC and UConn.  Net loss of 2 schools.

Game over.  

I don't think we see 4 16-team superconferences.  That scenario would require ND joining a conference, which really would have to be the B1G.  I don't see ND as a fit anywhere else. I think ND would clearly lose $ under that arrangement (vs what they are getting now).  This alone would prevent a 4-superconference system and a 4-team playoff.

Therefore I don't see the ACC completely disintegrating.  I don't see the B12 expanding beyond 12.

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Posted: 2/8/2013 1:31 AM

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I think a USF promotion to the ACC would require:

1.  Either FSU or Miami must leave.  Probably ultimately FSU must leave.  They are probably the most likely school to leave the ACC though.

2.  HEAVY Jurich-like lobbying on the part of the AD and Prez of USF.  Honestly - although it will sound biased - I think UC is clearly 100% the next non-top-5 conference school to get promoted to a top-5 conference.  I don't see USF getting a nod over UC.  Since getting passed over by the ACC, UC has added Tubs and announced the Nippert renovations.  Steps forward.

UConn has basically been up to the plate and passed over twice for the ACC.  Makes me think they could certainly get passed over a 3rd time.  

I would still put UC and UConn at the top of the list b/c these were the other 2 schools on the block for the last expansion.  However, to your point, I think USF has a shot but they would have to get real vocal real quick.
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