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Big 12 exploring scheduling alliance with ACC.... now the SEC!

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Posted: 1/25/2013 6:33 PM

Big 12 exploring scheduling alliance with ACC.... now the SEC! 


WTF?  SEC yes, but the ACC?

http://www.statesman.com/

Last edited 1/31/2013 8:08 PM by UT4Big12

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Posted: 1/25/2013 6:59 PM

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I think the Big 12 would be better off adding a couple members (including one in Florida), and scheduling with the SEC.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:00 PM

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Would that Florida school be USF?


FloridaBull wrote: I think the Big 12 would be better off adding a couple members (including one in Florida), and scheduling with the SEC.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:12 PM

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News of this alliance, just happens to come out today near the eve of their Big12 expansion meetings, how very convenient. I think the scheduling alliance is just a ruse to throw people off of the real news that is happening in secret.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 7:18 PM

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I am sure your conference would prefer FSU and Miami, as per the WVU board's rumors. But, assuming they do not join reasonably soon, I think USF is worth being given a chance.
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Would that Florida school be USF?


FloridaBull wrote: I think the Big 12 would be better off adding a couple members (including one in Florida), and scheduling with the SEC.


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Posted: 1/25/2013 8:37 PM

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Nothing wrong with openly pulling for your school to get an invite.

In a perfect world, the Bulls and Bearcats both end up landing softly in better conferences.

Last edited 1/25/2013 8:37 PM by mptnstrat44

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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:04 PM

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You are right.  There is nothing wrong with pulling for your school.


mptnstrat44 wrote:

Nothing wrong with openly pulling for your school to get an invite.

In a perfect world, the Bulls and Bearcats both end up landing softly in better conferences.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:28 PM

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Don't know what is going on but I do know the Big 8 and SWC talked about a scheduling alliance before the formation of the Big 12.  The Big 12 and Pac 12 were exploring a scheduling alliance right before the 6 Big 12 teams were talking of moving to the Pac a couple of years ago.  If history holds true there will be no alliance and invitations will emerge. 

Just my opinion. 

I am hoping the Big 12 moves to 16 and Cincinnati is in, I see tremendous upside there.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 9:46 PM

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tensenshi wrote: Don't know what is going on but I do know the Big 8 and SWC talked about a scheduling alliance before the formation of the Big 12.  The Big 12 and Pac 12 were exploring a scheduling alliance right before the 6 Big 12 teams were talking of moving to the Pac a couple of years ago.  If history holds true there will be no alliance and invitations will emerge. 

Just my opinion. 

I am hoping the Big 12 moves to 16 and Cincinnati is in, I see tremendous upside there.

Yep.    The possibilities are as follows:

1) See SWC/B8 merge, or
2) ACC teams are not budging but willing to play in an alliance, or
3) B12 not willing to expand from 10 but willing to play in an alliance, or
4) It is just a honest clean alliance between two conferences with no discussion of expansion


Tensenshi, from your signature I take it you are an Oklahoma fan.   Enjoyed the two games our schools played back in 2008 and 2011.  I have a lot of respect for Oklahoma fans, good people-- especially from a school that is considered a "King". 

Hope a lifeline is thrown to Bearcatnation very soon from some direction.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:06 PM

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Yes, I bleed Crimson and Cream.  Thanks for the kind words.


CliftonAve wrote:
tensenshi wrote: Don't know what is going on but I do know the Big 8 and SWC talked about a scheduling alliance before the formation of the Big 12.  The Big 12 and Pac 12 were exploring a scheduling alliance right before the 6 Big 12 teams were talking of moving to the Pac a couple of years ago.  If history holds true there will be no alliance and invitations will emerge. 

Just my opinion. 

I am hoping the Big 12 moves to 16 and Cincinnati is in, I see tremendous upside there.

Yep.    The possibilities are as follows:

1) See SWC/B8 merge, or
2) ACC teams are not budging but willing to play in an alliance, or
3) B12 not willing to expand from 10 but willing to play in an alliance, or
4) It is just a honest clean alliance between two conferences with no discussion of expansion


Tensenshi, from your signature I take it you are an Oklahoma fan.   Enjoyed the two games our schools played back in 2008 and 2011.  I have a lot of respect for Oklahoma fans, good people-- especially from a school that is considered a "King". 

Hope a lifeline is thrown to Bearcatnation very soon from some direction.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 10:53 PM

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The SEC has taken two schools from the Big 12 in Mizzou and Texas A&M? And they have their eyes on Oklahoma and believe it or not Kansas (for b-ball).

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The PAC-12 already took Colorado away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas, OU, Okie State, and Kansas.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The Big 10 already took Nebraska away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas and OU.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

If there was even a remote possibility of FSU and/or Clemson going to the Big 12; they wouldn't be looking for an alliance. And both of those schools told the Big 12 no last summer.

Also for the Big 12 an alliance makes a lot more sense than adding more members and reducing the revenue per school.

This would also be a way for the ACC and Big 12 to reign in the Big 10 and SEC in terms of expansion. Such an alliance between the Big 12 and ACC would essentially surround the Big 10 and SEC geographically if they could pull it off and make the numbers work.

It makes a lot of sense.

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Posted: 1/26/2013 12:22 AM

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Especially before September 2011, I was a big Big East fan. I probably would have opposed even a conference upgrade, because I take loyalty and sentiment so seriously. But, with only two pre-2012 conference rivals left-and I believe they will inevitably leave eventually anyways-I agree. I think our schools would fit well with the Big 12.
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Nothing wrong with openly pulling for your school to get an invite.

In a perfect world, the Bulls and Bearcats both end up landing softly in better conferences.



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Posted: 1/26/2013 5:25 AM

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A scheduling alliance with the ACC only brings down the Big 12.  Go to any Big 12 message board and you will see this is the consensus of Big 12 fans. 

unc4life wrote: The SEC has taken two schools from the Big 12 in Mizzou and Texas A&M? And they have their eyes on Oklahoma and believe it or not Kansas (for b-ball).

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The PAC-12 already took Colorado away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas, OU, Okie State, and Kansas.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The Big 10 already took Nebraska away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas and OU.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

If there was even a remote possibility of FSU and/or Clemson going to the Big 12; they wouldn't be looking for an alliance. And both of those schools told the Big 12 no last summer.

Also for the Big 12 an alliance makes a lot more sense than adding more members and reducing the revenue per school.

This would also be a way for the ACC and Big 12 to reign in the Big 10 and SEC in terms of expansion. Such an alliance between the Big 12 and ACC would essentially surround the Big 10 and SEC geographically if they could pull it off and make the numbers work.

It makes a lot of sense.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 8:56 AM

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Got some news for you Tex; the Big 12 is pitching this alliance because they are in the weaker position right now. Anyone in a position of superiority doesn't need a stinking alliance.
UT4Big12 wrote: A scheduling alliance with the ACC only brings down the Big 12.  Go to any Big 12 message board and you will see this is the consensus of Big 12 fans. 

unc4life wrote: The SEC has taken two schools from the Big 12 in Mizzou and Texas A&M? And they have their eyes on Oklahoma and believe it or not Kansas (for b-ball).

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The PAC-12 already took Colorado away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas, OU, Okie State, and Kansas.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The Big 10 already took Nebraska away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas and OU.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

If there was even a remote possibility of FSU and/or Clemson going to the Big 12; they wouldn't be looking for an alliance. And both of those schools told the Big 12 no last summer.

Also for the Big 12 an alliance makes a lot more sense than adding more members and reducing the revenue per school.

This would also be a way for the ACC and Big 12 to reign in the Big 10 and SEC in terms of expansion. Such an alliance between the Big 12 and ACC would essentially surround the Big 10 and SEC geographically if they could pull it off and make the numbers work.

It makes a lot of sense.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:35 AM

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unc4life wrote: Got some news for you Tex; the Big 12 is pitching this alliance because they are in the weaker position right now. Anyone in a position of superiority doesn't need a stinking alliance.
UT4Big12 wrote: A scheduling alliance with the ACC only brings down the Big 12.  Go to any Big 12 message board and you will see this is the consensus of Big 12 fans. 

unc4life wrote: The SEC has taken two schools from the Big 12 in Mizzou and Texas A&M? And they have their eyes on Oklahoma and believe it or not Kansas (for b-ball).

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The PAC-12 already took Colorado away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas, OU, Okie State, and Kansas.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The Big 10 already took Nebraska away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas and OU.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

If there was even a remote possibility of FSU and/or Clemson going to the Big 12; they wouldn't be looking for an alliance. And both of those schools told the Big 12 no last summer.

Also for the Big 12 an alliance makes a lot more sense than adding more members and reducing the revenue per school.

This would also be a way for the ACC and Big 12 to reign in the Big 10 and SEC in terms of expansion. Such an alliance between the Big 12 and ACC would essentially surround the Big 10 and SEC geographically if they could pull it off and make the numbers work.

It makes a lot of sense.
The alliance isn't going to happen.  It was worth exploring prior to expanding their foot print.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:39 AM

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"Got some news for you Tex; the Big 12 is pitching this alliance because they are in the weaker position right now. Anyone in a position of superiority doesn't need a stinking alliance."

UNC is correct. The prestige ranking of conferences is 1) Big 10 2) SEC 3) ACC 4) PAC 12. 5) Big 12

No ACC school will leave the ACC for the Big 12 as it would be a step down. Being the least desirable of the 5 conferences The Big 12 is sort of locked in to 10 members unless they want to add SMU, Houston, Rice, Tulane.

Getting a scheduling alliance with the ACC is a way for the Big 12 to hang out with the cool kids. The problem getting the ACC to agree to it is that no one in the ACC wants to send any team in any sport to Morgantown, WV.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:20 AM

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Ron, I would say the PAC-12 is ahead of the ACC. I haven't seen any schools leave the PAC-12 lately, or ever.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:47 AM

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It's interesting how you seem to just make things up without having any evidence to support your argument.  You can continue to wear blinders all you want, this doesn't change the facts.

The ACC is the weakest of all conferences in that they are currently in a position to be raided again.  Even with the ACC's exit penalty fee having been increased to $50 million, the Big Ten taking Maryland was just the start.  Should the SEC decide to go to 16, the teams they will need to complete this will no doubtedly come from the ACC.  

While remaining at 10 (and this does not include the projected revenue from the upcoming Big 12/SEC Champions Bowl), the Big 12 has made more money for its member schools than any other conference, according to Forbes:

http://www.kansascity.com/2013...venue-list.html

By having a scheduling alliance with the SEC or with the ACC (which no fan in the Big 12 wants), the Big 12 can continue to earn top dollar per school without it having to be involved in a costly and unnecessary expansion. 


ronbcat wrote: "Got some news for you Tex; the Big 12 is pitching this alliance because they are in the weaker position right now. Anyone in a position of superiority doesn't need a stinking alliance."

UNC is correct. The prestige ranking of conferences is 1) Big 10 2) SEC 3) ACC 4) PAC 12. 5) Big 12

No ACC school will leave the ACC for the Big 12 as it would be a step down. Being the least desirable of the 5 conferences The Big 12 is sort of locked in to 10 members unless they want to add SMU, Houston, Rice, Tulane.

Getting a scheduling alliance with the ACC is a way for the Big 12 to hang out with the cool kids. The problem getting the ACC to agree to it is that no one in the ACC wants to send any team in any sport to Morgantown, WV.

Last edited 1/26/2013 11:03 AM by UT4Big12

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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:02 AM

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Thanks Clifton, didn't know that about the SWC & B8. It does seem viable that this is an excuse to get important people at the same table.

What's the poker adage...if you can't find the sucker at the table then its you. Beware ACC.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:24 PM

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Where did you come up with this bit of news?  Everyone know the ACC is the "5th" Conference.  The ACC is not even mentioned in the Big 4:

http://bleacherreport.com/arti...rences-remained


http://www.examiner.com/articl...percent-of-time


http://www.cbssports.com/colle...our-conferences




unc4life wrote: Got some news for you Tex; the Big 12 is pitching this alliance because they are in the weaker position right now. Anyone in a position of superiority doesn't need a stinking alliance.
UT4Big12 wrote: A scheduling alliance with the ACC only brings down the Big 12.  Go to any Big 12 message board and you will see this is the consensus of Big 12 fans. 

unc4life wrote: The SEC has taken two schools from the Big 12 in Mizzou and Texas A&M? And they have their eyes on Oklahoma and believe it or not Kansas (for b-ball).

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The PAC-12 already took Colorado away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas, OU, Okie State, and Kansas.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

The Big 10 already took Nebraska away from the Big 12 and has its eyes on Texas and OU.

Why would the Big 12 form an alliance with them?

If there was even a remote possibility of FSU and/or Clemson going to the Big 12; they wouldn't be looking for an alliance. And both of those schools told the Big 12 no last summer.

Also for the Big 12 an alliance makes a lot more sense than adding more members and reducing the revenue per school.

This would also be a way for the ACC and Big 12 to reign in the Big 10 and SEC in terms of expansion. Such an alliance between the Big 12 and ACC would essentially surround the Big 10 and SEC geographically if they could pull it off and make the numbers work.

It makes a lot of sense.
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