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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:30 PM

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While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:46 PM

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osu is going to up their ticket prices from $70 to $79. and those are non premium seats. when you see those figures, it's scary to think how much less revenue we generate from ticket sales then some of these schools. ticket price is huge, then factor in the tens of thousands of extra seats they can sell. and the premium seats they can sell on top of all that.

 

it just makes me more proud of what our football team has been able to accomplish with the revenue disadvantage. hopefully the nippert renovation can really give us a jolt via the premium seat revenue.

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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:50 PM

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mintersucks wrote:

osu is going to up their ticket prices from $70 to $79. and those are non premium seats. when you see those figures, it's scary to think how much less revenue we generate from ticket sales then some of these schools. ticket price is huge, then factor in the tens of thousands of extra seats they can sell. and the premium seats they can sell on top of all that.

 

it just makes me more proud of what our football team has been able to accomplish with the revenue disadvantage. hopefully the nippert renovation can really give us a jolt via the premium seat revenue.

After a certain point, with football the marginal utility of each additional dollar diminishes significantly.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 1:59 PM

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Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:42 PM

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l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
Kansas is a very good public research insititon.  It is a member of the AAU.  KSU is equivalent to  West Virginia.  They accept 98% of the applicants to the university.

Last edited 1/25/2013 2:44 PM by CliftonAve

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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:49 PM

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CliftonAve wrote:
l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
Kansas is a very good public research insititon.  It is a member of the AAU.  KSU is equivalent to  West Virginia.  They accept 98% of the applicants to the university.
I thought that, but wasn't sure.  Kansas is the one midwestern school that makes good sense now that Missouri is in the SEC.  I'd bet Iowa would balk at Iowa State?  But to take Kansas would be an even more sticky move than Maryland.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 2:50 PM

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CliftonAve wrote:
l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
Kansas is a very good public research insititon.  It is a member of the AAU.  KSU is equivalent to  West Virginia.  They accept 98% of the applicants to the university.
Only Iowa State, Kansas and Texas are AAU members.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:15 PM

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bearcat69 wrote:
CliftonAve wrote:
l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
Kansas is a very good public research insititon.  It is a member of the AAU.  KSU is equivalent to  West Virginia.  They accept 98% of the applicants to the university.
Only Iowa State, Kansas and Texas are AAU members.
KSU is ranked with UC at #138 in the US News rankings.  Kansas is around #100.   UC kills both in the research area.  That Kansas belongs to the AAU doesn't mean Kansas is that much better than UC.  Of those schools listed above, only Texas stands heads and shoulders above UC.

I'm sick of all this AAU crap.

Last edited 1/25/2013 3:16 PM by sluggur1

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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:29 PM

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We've hired engineers and physicists from both Kansas and Kansas State.  All are excellent.  Don't quite know what that says other than there are some schools where all (or most) are not.

Sometimes patterns mean something.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:30 PM

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sluggur1 wrote:
bearcat69 wrote:
CliftonAve wrote:
l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
Kansas is a very good public research insititon.  It is a member of the AAU.  KSU is equivalent to  West Virginia.  They accept 98% of the applicants to the university.
Only Iowa State, Kansas and Texas are AAU members.
KSU is ranked with UC at #138 in the US News rankings.  Kansas is around #100.   UC kills both in the research area.  That Kansas belongs to the AAU doesn't mean Kansas is that much better than UC.  Of those schools listed above, only Texas stands heads and shoulders above UC.

I'm sick of all this AAU crap.
Good ole boys club.   Nothing more and nothing less.   In their minds UC is like CLarise Starling in "Silence of the Lambs"--- we're one generation removed from whitetrash.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 3:38 PM

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CliftonAve wrote:
sluggur1 wrote:
bearcat69 wrote:
CliftonAve wrote:
l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
Kansas is a very good public research insititon.  It is a member of the AAU.  KSU is equivalent to  West Virginia.  They accept 98% of the applicants to the university.
Only Iowa State, Kansas and Texas are AAU members.
KSU is ranked with UC at #138 in the US News rankings.  Kansas is around #100.   UC kills both in the research area.  That Kansas belongs to the AAU doesn't mean Kansas is that much better than UC.  Of those schools listed above, only Texas stands heads and shoulders above UC.

I'm sick of all this AAU crap.
Good ole boys club.   Nothing more and nothing less.   In their minds UC is like CLarise Starling in "Silence of the Lambs"--- we're one generation removed from whitetrash.
Time to change out the propane for the trailer.  Its going to be cold tonight.
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Posted: 1/25/2013 4:30 PM

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Kansas is an American Association of Universities member. All Big 10 schools are AAU members, well Nebraska was when they were accepted into the Big 10 but have subsequently lost it. I hear the other 11 Big 10 schools are not happy about that. Rutgers and Maryland are AAU members.


l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
What kind of academics does Kansas and Kansas State have?
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Posted: 1/26/2013 9:13 AM

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Teakwood wrote: While everyone else prefers to stay quite...then there is Gee.

While ron disagrees I think most consider UC a Midwest university!
He is not speaking off the cuff.  He was given what to say by Delany.  Gee was putting out information or misinformation per the B10 gameplan.  Nothing else.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:13 AM

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As I'm sure has been said 100,000,000,000 times, UC will never get into the B1G.  

However it is interesting that the B1G is looking to go to 16-20 and thinking of 4 superconferences in the future.  It is also interesting that the B12 is talking about being "proactive" about expansion and will be talking about this at the 1/28-1/29 meetings.
The Maryland 7/1 deadline-to-leave-before-paying-the-$50-million lawsuit looms as well.  

We are likely to see some shakeups seemingly sooner than later.

It seems like a foregone conclusion at this point that UC will not be left to languish in the Big East.  I cannot envision ANY scenario that leaves us there.

The question remains:  ACC or B12?

Although in its current format I think most would prefer the ACC, if the ACC is raided and starts to look like a sinking ship itself, the B12 might be the better option.  I think in a 4-superconference format the B12 would win out.

However, I'm not sure a 4-superconference format and a 4-team playoff will be how this ultimately ends up.  Why not?  Because of ND.  Where does that leave them?

We could be looking at an 8-team playoff with ND included and at-large bids.  In this scenario, the ACC could retain an auto bid and the BigEast/CUSA/MAC/MWC conglomerate could also be included if a team qualifies....

Tough to say what will happen.  I think the B1G is clearly taking the position that there is strength in numbers.  If you have 16 teams (or more), you are included in any format.

The ACC may come to regret not taking UC and possibly UCONN when they had the chance, once all is said and done......
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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:21 AM

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UC's greatest assets in addition to the obvious (university and market size, research and academic status) are competitiveness in athletics (regular top-25 in FBall and Bball), investments in athletic programs and facilities (although more needed to be done sooner of course)...

But beyond all that, UC is easily move-able.  No GOR.  No $50 million buyout.  Make the call and you have us.  Makes us a more attractive option for the B12 than many current ACC schools (i.e. Wake).  

This may get interesting and at the same time ugly real quick.  Rivals may be ripped apart (Duke/UNC?).  Statements of commitment ("FSU is dedicated to the ACC") may be followed mere hours later by "FSU is proud to join the B1G".  

When it all shakes out, Louisville may come to regret jumping to the ACC when they did.  We'll see.....

Last edited 1/26/2013 10:22 AM by BEARCATmania

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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:34 AM

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I should've added a smiley after mt UC comment above! I am still nervous about this whole thing. Gee actually mentioned the possibility of THREE conferences of around 20. If there are only 60 schools, we're probably left out.

I still think the ACC gets hit hard, and we get in there. ND will fight for a viable ACC to maintain football independence, and they're running out of leagues to work with.

Purely speculative, but the B1G likes contiguous states. Should they get into VA, NC, and GA, I think they would love being in TN. I can think of one egghead school in Nashville, that probably wouldn't mind being associated with better schools. Also probably tired of getting their heads kicked in in football. It's taken a Herculean effort for Franklin to get them to bowl games. They'd be much more competitive in the B1G.

That would shake things up! Plus I can see Delany caught up trying to prove he has the biggest weiner.

Sounds crazy to leave the SEC, but I've come to expect crazy.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:17 AM

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Three 20-team conferences seems very much implausible, simply due to the fact that I believe the PAC-12 has hit, or is near, its ceiling. I don't see much more than 12, 14 if you believe UNLV is on the way with its new stadium and huge TV market. Seems like a lot of "academic clique" about the PAC-12, but does something like UNLV change that? That huge stadium project makes one wonder. I guess Cardinal can answer that. Nonetheless, I don't look for the PAC-12 to add any more than two, if that.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:19 AM

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BEARCATmania wrote: UC's greatest assets in addition to the obvious (university and market size, research and academic status) are competitiveness in athletics (regular top-25 in FBall and Bball), investments in athletic programs and facilities (although more needed to be done sooner of course)...

But beyond all that, UC is easily move-able.  No GOR.  No $50 million buyout.  Make the call and you have us.  Makes us a more attractive option for the B12 than many current ACC schools (i.e. Wake).  

This may get interesting and at the same time ugly real quick.  Rivals may be ripped apart (Duke/UNC?).  Statements of commitment ("FSU is dedicated to the ACC") may be followed mere hours later by "FSU is proud to join the B1G".  

When it all shakes out, Louisville may come to regret jumping to the ACC when they did.  We'll see.....
I think you hit on some very good points on each of your two posts.  The ACC's attitude of 'UC and UConn would always be available so we're not going to do anything with them for now', could certainly backfire. As has been mentioned numerous times,  UC is the best positioned 'next school admitted' when. and not if, more of the dominoes start to fall..be it the ACC or B12. The pool of schools that would then be acceptable to the ACC standard for athletics and academics is quickly shrinking. So who is left aside from UC and UConn,   USF and ECU?  I can see a lot of pushback from current conference members for USF, and ECU is probably a non-starter for any conversation.

As for Louisvile, they worked hard to get to the ACC and hats off to them for a job well done.  At the same time, Tom Jurich would do well to keep his eyes wide open for any quick changing landscape.
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Posted: 1/26/2013 11:47 AM

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Teakwood wrote:  ND will fight for a viable ACC to maintain football independence
Excellent point.  A 4-team playoff/4 superconference scenario leaves ND out of the national championship mix.  I just can't see this happening.  Of course, B1G is going to try to go this way to try to muscle ND into joining the B1G.  

Only the ACC was willing to play ball and leave ND it's independence, which gives the ACC strength but at the same time makes it a target.  A 4-conference playoff system requires breaking the ACC down.  

If however the ACC holds then an 8 team playoff system is ultimately likely with the ACC, ND, at-larges, and MAC/BE/MWC/CUSA included.

I think in scenario #1 (4-team playoff) the B12 is where we want to end up for obvious reasons.  Scenario #2 would give UC equal footing in the ACC and B12.  

UC would compete better in the ACC.  However clearly the B12 is the more stable option at this point.  Hmmmmm.......

Last edited 1/26/2013 11:48 AM by BEARCATmania

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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:50 AM

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sluggur1 wrote:
mintersucks wrote:

osu is going to up their ticket prices from $70 to $79. and those are non premium seats. when you see those figures, it's scary to think how much less revenue we generate from ticket sales then some of these schools. ticket price is huge, then factor in the tens of thousands of extra seats they can sell. and the premium seats they can sell on top of all that.

 

it just makes me more proud of what our football team has been able to accomplish with the revenue disadvantage. hopefully the nippert renovation can really give us a jolt via the premium seat revenue.

After a certain point, with football the marginal utility of each additional dollar diminishes significantly.
Imho if uc put in new seats, all seats, with space in front of you and some width for your arse and so shoulders don't hit your neighbors, fans would pay a bit more for the comfort.  I dont think UC is anywhere near worrying about marginal or extra utility anytime soon.  There is only so much to go around.  If they would improve facilities more people will come imo.  The better seats are already taken so imo we're talking the ones left over and/or not built yet.  I think they should almost demolish nippert and build a 50,000 seat stadium with really nice amentities, food, bars, resturants, bathrooms......and the money they make will far surpass the cost.   The days of forcing hoops season tix holders to also purchase football s tix are history.  UC is long overdue to spend some money to make a lot of money.

Last edited 1/27/2013 11:52 AM by cincykid

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