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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:49 PM

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First of all, I'm not in favor of this, BUT is it a possibility of Cincy staying with basketball schools for all sports and joining the Mwc for football IF the new basketball league's tvcontract is in the range of 3 to 4 million and football in the Mwc in the range of 2 to 3 million? Would it be a good fit until further expansion takes place?
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:23 PM

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There is a 0% chance of that happening.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:25 PM

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I believe the concessions granted to Boise by the MWC will prove untenable to many other members over time. It was already untenable to UC and the entire Big East a month ago. I expect the MWC to have problems of there own in short order.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:03 PM

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I am sick of all this stuff. UC is good enough for the ACC or b12 but might not get there soon enough. The MAC isn't that bad for many reasons.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:46 PM

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There is a 0% chance of that happening.

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That isn't exactly true.
The MWC has contacted UC.
I have seen reports that UC and UConn could be considered with the Judas 7, so who knows.

Im not saying that is a likely senerio, butAt this point any combination of things is possible.

Another thought to keep in the back of your mind is that the Mountain West's basketball is a lot stronger than the '15 Big East basketball league.
It's a shock to the system I know.... But true.

My hope is we are long gone by then in one of the "big 5" leagues... But until a bid comes we have to maximize any revenue we can get.
The prudent thing to do is listen to all parties.

Last edited 1/10/2013 10:49 PM by bearcatvol

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Posted: 1/11/2013 7:45 AM

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WhuppinCrane wrote: I am sick of all this stuff. UC is good enough for the ACC or b12 but might not get there soon enough. The MAC isn't that bad for many reasons.
But the MAC is bad for more reasons.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:30 AM

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The chances of UC in the MWC for football and C7 for basketball are 0%, end of story.

UC will be a member of the Big East until one of the Power 5 conferences calls, and that may never happen.

UC's conference future rests in the hands of two individuals, Jim Delany and Mike Slive. If the Big 10 or SEC do not expand by taking ACC teams UC has no better option than remaining a Big East member. No ACC team will leave to join the Big 12.


bearcatvol wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- ronbcat wrote:

There is a 0% chance of that happening.

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That isn't exactly true.
The MWC has contacted UC.
I have seen reports that UC and UConn could be considered with the Judas 7, so who knows.

Im not saying that is a likely senerio, butAt this point any combination of things is possible.

Another thought to keep in the back of your mind is that the Mountain West's basketball is a lot stronger than the '15 Big East basketball league.
It's a shock to the system I know.... But true.

My hope is we are long gone by then in one of the "big 5" leagues... But until a bid comes we have to maximize any revenue we can get.
The prudent thing to do is listen to all parties.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 10:18 AM

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ronbcat wrote: The chances of UC in the MWC for football and C7 for basketball are 0%, end of story.

UC will be a member of the Big East until one of the Power 5 conferences calls, and that may never happen.

UC's conference future rests in the hands of two individuals, Jim Delany and Mike Slive. If the Big 10 or SEC do not expand by taking ACC teams UC has no better option than remaining a Big East member. No ACC team will leave to join the Big 12.


bearcatvol wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- ronbcat wrote:

There is a 0% chance of that happening.

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That isn't exactly true.
The MWC has contacted UC.
I have seen reports that UC and UConn could be considered with the Judas 7, so who knows.

Im not saying that is a likely senerio, butAt this point any combination of things is possible.

Another thought to keep in the back of your mind is that the Mountain West's basketball is a lot stronger than the '15 Big East basketball league.
It's a shock to the system I know.... But true.

My hope is we are long gone by then in one of the "big 5" leagues... But until a bid comes we have to maximize any revenue we can get.
The prudent thing to do is listen to all parties.

The fun thing here is when you say end of story.... we all can count on the opposite happening most of the time.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 10:44 AM

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UC would take a financial hit in a MWC football C7 basketball arrangement.The MWC football arrangement is Boise State gets all the money. As a MWC football member UC might get $1 million to $2 million a year. The C7 has negotiated a $500 million 12 year deal with FoxSports1 (it will replace the Speed Channel in August). The deal is for a 12 team league. The C7 intend to split the yearly $41.67 million like this, $5 million each to the C7, $1.33 million each to the other 5.

A MWC/C7 arrangement would get UC at most $3.5 million a year.

The NBE TV contract will get UC $6 million to $8 million a year.

A MWC/C7 arrangement for UC has a 0% chance of happening.



bearcatvol wrote:
ronbcat wrote: The chances of UC in the MWC for football and C7 for basketball are 0%, end of story.

UC will be a member of the Big East until one of the Power 5 conferences calls, and that may never happen.

UC's conference future rests in the hands of two individuals, Jim Delany and Mike Slive. If the Big 10 or SEC do not expand by taking ACC teams UC has no better option than remaining a Big East member. No ACC team will leave to join the Big 12.


bearcatvol wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- ronbcat wrote:

There is a 0% chance of that happening.

---------------------------------------------

That isn't exactly true.
The MWC has contacted UC.
I have seen reports that UC and UConn could be considered with the Judas 7, so who knows.

Im not saying that is a likely senerio, butAt this point any combination of things is possible.

Another thought to keep in the back of your mind is that the Mountain West's basketball is a lot stronger than the '15 Big East basketball league.
It's a shock to the system I know.... But true.

My hope is we are long gone by then in one of the "big 5" leagues... But until a bid comes we have to maximize any revenue we can get.
The prudent thing to do is listen to all parties.

The fun thing here is when you say end of story.... we all can count on the opposite happening most of the time.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 11:19 AM

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ronbcat wrote: UC would take a financial hit in a MWC football C7 basketball arrangement.The MWC football arrangement is Boise State gets all the money. As a MWC football member UC might get $1 million to $2 million a year. The C7 has negotiated a $500 million 12 year deal with FoxSports1 (it will replace the Speed Channel in August). The deal is for a 12 team league. The C7 intend to split the yearly $41.67 million like this, $5 million each to the C7, $1.33 million each to the other 5.

A MWC/C7 arrangement would get UC at most $3.5 million a year.

The NBE TV contract will get UC $6 million to $8 million a year.

A MWC/C7 arrangement for UC has a 0% chance of happening.



bearcatvol wrote:
ronbcat wrote: The chances of UC in the MWC for football and C7 for basketball are 0%, end of story.

UC will be a member of the Big East until one of the Power 5 conferences calls, and that may never happen.

UC's conference future rests in the hands of two individuals, Jim Delany and Mike Slive. If the Big 10 or SEC do not expand by taking ACC teams UC has no better option than remaining a Big East member. No ACC team will leave to join the Big 12.


bearcatvol wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- ronbcat wrote:

There is a 0% chance of that happening.

---------------------------------------------

That isn't exactly true.
The MWC has contacted UC.
I have seen reports that UC and UConn could be considered with the Judas 7, so who knows.

Im not saying that is a likely senerio, butAt this point any combination of things is possible.

Another thought to keep in the back of your mind is that the Mountain West's basketball is a lot stronger than the '15 Big East basketball league.
It's a shock to the system I know.... But true.

My hope is we are long gone by then in one of the "big 5" leagues... But until a bid comes we have to maximize any revenue we can get.
The prudent thing to do is listen to all parties.

The fun thing here is when you say end of story.... we all can count on the opposite happening most of the time.

Glad you know these TV contract numbers.... especially since a big reason BSU went back to the Mountain West and SDSU and Houston are seriously considering it is because the Big East has no numbers to show anyone about what we are or are not going to make.

But I am pleased you can forcast events with such clarity.

What I can tell you is the MWC and Cincy have been talking and there must be some reason.
So while I think its a long shot... saying there is no chance simply isn't the case.
There have been media reports that UC and UConn have had conversations regarding keeping our basketball and non-revenue sports in the "7".
Again I believe this to be a long shot... but until UC publically rules it out it is a possibility.

Since the basketball in the NBE is going to be awful... don't be suprised if UC has to go towards an unothodox solution.
Other than UConn and UC there isn't another single current Top 100 program.

We can all make a guess as to what will happen... perhaps some very educated guesses.
But nothing is set in stone.

Last edited 1/11/2013 11:24 AM by bearcatvol

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Posted: 1/11/2013 3:06 PM

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Basketball in the new Big East is not going to be awful, it will be better than C7 basketball. C7 has only 3 schools that have been consistantly good, Villanova, Georgetown, Marquette.

UC, UConn, Memphis, and Temple much better at the top than Villanova, Georgetown, and Marquette.

USF, UCF, Houston, SMU better than DePaul, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's.
bearcatvol wrote:
ronbcat wrote: UC would take a financial hit in a MWC football C7 basketball arrangement.The MWC football arrangement is Boise State gets all the money. As a MWC football member UC might get $1 million to $2 million a year. The C7 has negotiated a $500 million 12 year deal with FoxSports1 (it will replace the Speed Channel in August). The deal is for a 12 team league. The C7 intend to split the yearly $41.67 million like this, $5 million each to the C7, $1.33 million each to the other 5.

A MWC/C7 arrangement would get UC at most $3.5 million a year.

The NBE TV contract will get UC $6 million to $8 million a year.

A MWC/C7 arrangement for UC has a 0% chance of happening.



bearcatvol wrote:
ronbcat wrote: The chances of UC in the MWC for football and C7 for basketball are 0%, end of story.

UC will be a member of the Big East until one of the Power 5 conferences calls, and that may never happen.

UC's conference future rests in the hands of two individuals, Jim Delany and Mike Slive. If the Big 10 or SEC do not expand by taking ACC teams UC has no better option than remaining a Big East member. No ACC team will leave to join the Big 12.


bearcatvol wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- ronbcat wrote:

There is a 0% chance of that happening.

---------------------------------------------

That isn't exactly true.
The MWC has contacted UC.
I have seen reports that UC and UConn could be considered with the Judas 7, so who knows.

Im not saying that is a likely senerio, butAt this point any combination of things is possible.

Another thought to keep in the back of your mind is that the Mountain West's basketball is a lot stronger than the '15 Big East basketball league.
It's a shock to the system I know.... But true.

My hope is we are long gone by then in one of the "big 5" leagues... But until a bid comes we have to maximize any revenue we can get.
The prudent thing to do is listen to all parties.

The fun thing here is when you say end of story.... we all can count on the opposite happening most of the time.

Glad you know these TV contract numbers.... especially since a big reason BSU went back to the Mountain West and SDSU and Houston are seriously considering it is because the Big East has no numbers to show anyone about what we are or are not going to make.

But I am pleased you can forcast events with such clarity.

What I can tell you is the MWC and Cincy have been talking and there must be some reason.
So while I think its a long shot... saying there is no chance simply isn't the case.
There have been media reports that UC and UConn have had conversations regarding keeping our basketball and non-revenue sports in the "7".
Again I believe this to be a long shot... but until UC publically rules it out it is a possibility.

Since the basketball in the NBE is going to be awful... don't be suprised if UC has to go towards an unothodox solution.
Other than UConn and UC there isn't another single current Top 100 program.

We can all make a guess as to what will happen... perhaps some very educated guesses.
But nothing is set in stone.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 4:32 PM

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Ghostdad wrote:
WhuppinCrane wrote: I am sick of all this stuff. UC is good enough for the ACC or b12 but might not get there soon enough. The MAC isn't that bad for many reasons.
But the MAC is bad for more reasons.
Agreed. When Cincy was in CUSA, they did not have a recruiting advantage over the MAC.

96)UC by 7
97)UC  by 2
98)Miami by 41eek
99)UC by 10
00)UC by 30
01)Miami by 7
02)Miami by 5
03)Miami by 5
04)UC by 19

When they joined the Big East, it immediately gave them a major leg up on the MAC in recruiting, while simultaneously crippling the recruiting at the Ohio MAC schools.

05) Miami by 28
06) UC by 14
07) UC by 37
08) UC by 25
09) UC by 24
10) UC by 42
11) UC by 27
12) UC by 38
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Posted: 1/11/2013 5:21 PM

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Fresh from Dallas...
UConn, Cincinnati leaning towards Catholic 7?



Oh yeah, a plan to join the MWC for football is discussed in the article.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 5:27 PM

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Word out of Dallas meetings is U Conn and Cincy are both trying to figure out how to make this idea work. For what it's worth, A Jersey Guy web site quotes sources inside U Conn saying this is possible. 0 % chance huh. It prob. Won't happen but don't talk out your arse if you don't know what you are talking about.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 5:28 PM

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Thanks Bearcatvol for the link. Maybe Ronbcat should read it.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 5:52 PM

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nbfla wrote: Thanks Bearcatvol for the link. Maybe Ronbcat should read it.

Nah... he has already declared a 0%.  No need to look any further.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:03 PM

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KevinRDuffy 5:51pm via Twitter for iPhone
UConn AD Warde Manuel said there has been no conversation btwn Uconn and Catholic 7 or mountain west, per a school official

KevinRDuffy 5:52pm via Twitter for iPhone
Manuel also said, through a school official, that a move to catholic 7 or mountain west is "nothing we would consider"

AmoreCourant 5:52pm via Twitter for iPhone
#uConn as warde Manuel, though spokesman, said joining catholic 7 in bb and mt west in fb "is nothing we would consider"



I'm a UConn fan.
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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:28 PM

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This is not a fresh from Dallas anything. Nothing in this article is factual. This is nothing more than a this might happen article the equivalent of the world was going to end on Dec. 21 because the Myan calendar ran out. Neither UConn or UC has an interest in this type of arrangement. Both will receive more TV dollars staying in the Big East. Once again, 0% chance of UC playing FB in MWC and BB in C7. It is never, ever, ever going to happen.



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--- bearcatvol wrote:

Fresh from Dallas...
UConn, Cincinnati leaning towards Catholic 7?



Oh yeah, a plan to join the MWC for football is discussed in the article.

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Posted: 1/11/2013 6:56 PM

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This is not a fresh from Dallas anything. Nothing in this article is factual. This is nothing more than a this might happen article the equivalent of the world was going to end on Dec. 21 because the Myan calendar ran out. Neither UConn or UC has an interest in this type of arrangement. Both will receive more TV dollars staying in the Big East. Once again, 0% chance of UC playing FB in MWC and BB in C7. It is never, ever, ever going to happen.



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--- bearcatvol wrote:

Fresh from Dallas...
UConn, Cincinnati leaning towards Catholic 7?



Oh yeah, a plan to join the MWC for football is discussed in the article.

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0% come on... How about 2 or 3%. Just let a little light shine in. : )

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Posted: 1/11/2013 8:42 PM

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I figured this would be the best place to post this...since this thread is about conference realignment rumors and postulations...

I am feeling that something might happen with FSU soon - not due to any athletic piece, but due to political moves that have been very interesting over the past week. I will explain and the reason I know about these issues is due to my sources in the University of Florida.

This week, UF abruptly suspended their search for a new university president - which they have been in the search process since July. Machen, the current President is staying in his position. To sum it up - the governor of Florida is working out a deal where UF will be well positioned to be a top 10 public university in the nation. This will also affect tuition dollars, research funding and will inadvertently propel UF in a much better position than FSU academically. This will not sit will with FSU and will cause many professors, boosters, and FSU alumni to stir and look for an answer. I believe that a possible avenue they will pursue will be to join the B1G - so they could rub elbows with other elite AAU schools and other academically excellent public institutions like Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc.

The move by FSU to the B1G will cause other dominoes to fall...

Again, this is just one man's thoughts...but academics will still be at play with the conference realignment situation.

Go Bearcats!
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