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Tommy Tuberville an Unfair Target?

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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:35 AM

Tommy Tuberville an Unfair Target? 


Pretty solid article on the other side of the recent stories:

http://cincinnati.247sports.co...r-Target-110642


Because of all the recruiting ramifications, CTT has been unable to comment on this stuff himself, but it is good that SOMEONE is finally doing so on his behalf.

Last edited 1/10/2013 9:37 AM by UCLemmiwinks

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Posted: 1/10/2013 9:47 AM

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Yeah, pretty much the way I figured.  I've been through this stuff at a high level with 2 sons. As far as I'm concerned, everything about recruiting protocols in that article is accurate and the JC recruit and the HS coach in Massilon were foolish to try and go public in articles.

Sadly, the media for the most part, followed along and completely lost credibility over it...yet they still don't even realize that.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:01 AM

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There is no integrity in 2013. It's all about web traffic, Twitter followers and sensationalism.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:06 AM

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l6ozbud wrote: There is no integrity in 2013. It's all about web traffic, Twitter followers and sensationalism.
Yup.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:34 AM

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None of this is "news". When coaches leave/come it causes disruption. When Dantonio became UC head coach the first thing he did recruiting wise was revoke all scholarship offers made by Rick Minter.

Butch Jones continues to get plastered on UC message boards for leaving and getting recruits to decommit from UC and commit to Tennessee.

There is nothing wrong, shocking, or earth shattering about any of this. It is more or less standard operating proceedure. Recruits commit to coaching staffs not schools.

Texas Tech fans are going to plaster Tommy Tuberville just as UC fans are plastering Butch Jones. Notre Dame fans will be plastering Brian Kelly should he take the Eagles job.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 1:17 PM

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ronbcat wrote: None of this is "news". When coaches leave/come it causes disruption. When Dantonio became UC head coach the first thing he did recruiting wise was revoke all scholarship offers made by Rick Minter.

Butch Jones continues to get plastered on UC message boards for leaving and getting recruits to decommit from UC and commit to Tennessee.

There is nothing wrong, shocking, or earth shattering about any of this. It is more or less standard operating proceedure. Recruits commit to coaching staffs not schools.

Texas Tech fans are going to plaster Tommy Tuberville just as UC fans are plastering Butch Jones. Notre Dame fans will be plastering Brian Kelly should he take the Eagles job.
The news was the Massilon coach saying UC is not welcome at his school anymore.
That seems very unfair because Kempt was shoping himself to multiple schools after Jones left.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 2:15 PM

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This is not the first time a high school coach said a school is not welcomed and won't be the last.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 4:33 PM

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The recruiting world is getting uglier by the year if not the month or week. Commit/decommit. Coaching changes. Poached recruits. Pulled offers. Misunderstandings. Miscommunications Hurt feelings.

None of us really knows for sure what happened in the Kempt situation (or others). What I know firsthand is that it's a tough grinder to enter and can get even tougher once you're at school and if a staff doesn't want you...as much as it hurts after telling all your friends and having your picture in the paper with the first school....then you are better off moving on rather than trying to push your way into that schoo. It wouldn't have worked out in your favor anyways.

Resorting to newspaper articles to get things off your chest, whether right or wrong, was a very foolish and shortsighted move by the Massilon coach. Hopefully for him and future football players at his school he realizes his mistake because there are always more 2- and 3-star recruits at other high schools ready to take your players' places. The college coaches, except in very rare cases (true blue chippers) always hold more cards than the HS coach or player.

No current 9th or 10th grader at Massilon will want to have the 2nd biggest program in the state blocked off by the HS coach. To think otherwise is ludicrous.

I hope it works out for Kyle and the others. And I hope his coach cools down and lowers his fences.

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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:17 PM

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More bad press for Tuberville coming from Demetrius Monday's father:

http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2013/01/10/ex-cinc y-recruit-on-tuberbville-its-a-bad-situation/
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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:22 PM

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digibrink wrote: More bad press for Tuberville coming from Demetrius Monday's father:

http://blogs.ajc.com/recruiting/2013/01/10/ex-cinc y-recruit-on-tuberbville-its-a-bad-situation/

Admittedly that doesn't sound good.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 5:41 PM

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The Monday story is worse than the Kempt story. It's a no-win either way if you don't want one of the previous coaches recruits. I hope he lands in a good spot.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 6:23 PM

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I knew about this before the newspaper article.  I feel really bad for the kid and dad.  And any others.  I think it all $ucks.  I wish it was completely different in college athletics.  But its not.  As my son's HS coach says, "Be careful what you ask for."

Just in my experience with baseball...I know of kids who had their scholly pulled a month before school started...new coaching staff.  "You can come if you want, we'll honor your scholarship for 1 year, but you'll never see the field."

I knew a kid who was injured his senior year and got the call in the summer, "You can show up if you want, but you've got 2 weeks to show you're worth having on this team or you're gone."

I know kids who had their scholly pulled after 1, 2 or 3 years.  "You don't fit into our plans."

And I know kids that toughed it out under a new regime...and regretted it completely cause it was miserable with a staff that didn't recruit them or even want them and they never had a chance.

I really cannot stand it that this stuff happens...but if anyone here believes TT is operating outside of what is standard, they are wrong.  That is not an excuse at all...I hold myself and my kids to far higher standards than 'standard operating procedures.'  But lets just be honest about the way it is.

And still...while I completely understand it, I don't think Mr. Monday is serving his kid in the best way possible by going to the newspapers.  This information can be communicated quietly and effectively behind the scenes to potential other coaches.  They will believe it because it happens a lot.  He is now a few weeks away from signing date and he has demonstrated that he will go to the newspaper if something doesn't smell right.  Nearly any of us would want to do it...but its not the best idea.

Somehow, I hope it works out for him.  I believe it will.  We can all hate it, but sadly, both sides of the recruiting equation (maybe not in this case, but in a lot of cases) play out in a similar way...over and over.  Completely $ucks.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:29 PM

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CardinalX3 wrote: I knew about this before the newspaper article.  I feel really bad for the kid and dad.  And any others.  I think it all $ucks.  I wish it was completely different in college athletics.  But its not.  As my son's HS coach says, "Be careful what you ask for."

Just in my experience with baseball...I know of kids who had their scholly pulled a month before school started...new coaching staff.  "You can come if you want, we'll honor your scholarship for 1 year, but you'll never see the field."

I knew a kid who was injured his senior year and got the call in the summer, "You can show up if you want, but you've got 2 weeks to show you're worth having on this team or you're gone."

I know kids who had their scholly pulled after 1, 2 or 3 years.  "You don't fit into our plans."

And I know kids that toughed it out under a new regime...and regretted it completely cause it was miserable with a staff that didn't recruit them or even want them and they never had a chance.

I really cannot stand it that this stuff happens...but if anyone here believes TT is operating outside of what is standard, they are wrong.  That is not an excuse at all...I hold myself and my kids to far higher standards than 'standard operating procedures.'  But lets just be honest about the way it is.

And still...while I completely understand it, I don't think Mr. Monday is serving his kid in the best way possible by going to the newspapers.  This information can be communicated quietly and effectively behind the scenes to potential other coaches.  They will believe it because it happens a lot.  He is now a few weeks away from signing date and he has demonstrated that he will go to the newspaper if something doesn't smell right.  Nearly any of us would want to do it...but its not the best idea.

Somehow, I hope it works out for him.  I believe it will.  We can all hate it, but sadly, both sides of the recruiting equation (maybe not in this case, but in a lot of cases) play out in a similar way...over and over.  Completely $ucks.
Were you guys aware that CardinalX's sons went thru the recruiting process in baseball? we get it man... Your kids were recruited in baseball
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:37 PM

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CraigHawley4Three wrote:
Were you guys aware that CardinalX's sons went thru the recruiting process in baseball? we get it man... Your kids were recruited in baseball
I agree. The guy who has made over 3,000 posts while often including helpful personal observations should never do it again because it upsets the trolls.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:44 PM

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Baseball recruiting can be more cutthroat because there are fewer ships available.

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CardinalX3 wrote: I knew about this before the newspaper article.  I feel really bad for the kid and dad.  And any others.  I think it all $ucks.  I wish it was completely different in college athletics.  But its not.  As my son's HS coach says, "Be careful what you ask for."

Just in my experience with baseball...I know of kids who had their scholly pulled a month before school started...new coaching staff.  "You can come if you want, we'll honor your scholarship for 1 year, but you'll never see the field."

I knew a kid who was injured his senior year and got the call in the summer, "You can show up if you want, but you've got 2 weeks to show you're worth having on this team or you're gone."

I know kids who had their scholly pulled after 1, 2 or 3 years.  "You don't fit into our plans."

And I know kids that toughed it out under a new regime...and regretted it completely cause it was miserable with a staff that didn't recruit them or even want them and they never had a chance.

I really cannot stand it that this stuff happens...but if anyone here believes TT is operating outside of what is standard, they are wrong.  That is not an excuse at all...I hold myself and my kids to far higher standards than 'standard operating procedures.'  But lets just be honest about the way it is.

And still...while I completely understand it, I don't think Mr. Monday is serving his kid in the best way possible by going to the newspapers.  This information can be communicated quietly and effectively behind the scenes to potential other coaches.  They will believe it because it happens a lot.  He is now a few weeks away from signing date and he has demonstrated that he will go to the newspaper if something doesn't smell right.  Nearly any of us would want to do it...but its not the best idea.

Somehow, I hope it works out for him.  I believe it will.  We can all hate it, but sadly, both sides of the recruiting equation (maybe not in this case, but in a lot of cases) play out in a similar way...over and over.  Completely $ucks.
Were you guys aware that CardinalX's sons went thru the recruiting process in baseball? we get it man... Your kids were recruited in baseball

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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:47 PM

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Tuberville and other coaches making millions of $ per year are perfectly legitimate targets. Especially, when compared to 17 year old kids and their parents.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:51 PM

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I just read that article- wow, that is damning.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 8:59 PM

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Sorry about that CraigHawley and that is very sincere. Don't mean to come off that way at all. I get why you said what you did. Thought it might provide some insight to how parents feel about all this. But I will try to stay away from that going forward.

My genuinely sincere apologies.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 10:54 PM

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Sorry about that CraigHawley and that is very sincere. Don't mean to come off that way at all. I get why you said what you did. Thought it might provide some insight to how parents feel about all this. But I will try to stay away from that going forward.

My genuinely sincere apologies.

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Why would you apologize?
The perspective you have is valuable here.
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Posted: 1/10/2013 11:25 PM

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It can get old and perhaps sound self-serving. Don't mean too, but I get it.

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