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Posted: 1/7/2013 1:56 PM
UMass and Tulsa
For what it's worth... "3. The remaining Big East athletic directors will meet in Dallas on Jan. 11 to discuss their latest moves, including the update on the television negotiations. Tulsa and UMass have been discussed as possible additions if the Big East decides to expand, according to multiple sources. Rice and Southern Miss were also tossed around. Meanwhile, the Mountain West expects to move on San Diego State by the end of this week, according to a league source. The MWC has to decide if it will go to 12 or 14. The MWC has interest in SMU and Houston, but SMU has let it be known to the MWC it has no interest as the Mustangs and Cougars are set to go to the Big East. UTEP desperately wants to be in the MWC, according to a source, and is on the MWC list. BYU is the first choice for the MWC but at this juncture the Cougars want to remain independent in football, WCC in other sports."
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/po st/_/id/71927/3-point-shot-florida-without-erik-mu rphy |
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Posted: 1/7/2013 2:02 PM
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Houston and SMU have no real reason to go the MWC in my opinion. They might be more "traditional" rivals in that conference but it isn't like the travel is going to be any better. It would probably be even worse since a lot of MWC teams are not located near major airports. Also, the television and exposure will be better with your games being broadcasted in cities such as Philly, Orlando, New Orleans, Memphis, Cincy etc... as opposed to Boise, Reno, Fresno and Honolulu. Not to forget the basketball side of things with the Big East still being a better conference in Hoopsball even after the defections in my opinion. BearcatSeminole wrote: For what it's worth...
"3. The remaining Big East athletic directors will meet in Dallas on Jan. 11 to discuss their latest moves, including the update on the television negotiations. Tulsa and UMass have been discussed as possible additions if the Big East decides to expand, according to multiple sources. Rice and Southern Miss were also tossed around. Meanwhile, the Mountain West expects to move on San Diego State by the end of this week, according to a league source. The MWC has to decide if it will go to 12 or 14. The MWC has interest in SMU and Houston, but SMU has let it be known to the MWC it has no interest as the Mustangs and Cougars are set to go to the Big East. UTEP desperately wants to be in the MWC, according to a source, and is on the MWC list. BYU is the first choice for the MWC but at this juncture the Cougars want to remain independent in football, WCC in other sports."
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/po st/_/id/71927/3-point-shot-florida-without-erik-mu rphy
Last edited 1/7/2013 2:03 PM by Ghostdad
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Posted: 1/7/2013 5:22 PM
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I would guess SDSU is gone (doesn't make sense for the MWC to keep them out), but the grass is far greener in the east for SMU and Houston. The Big East needs to get to 12 at least, and add in television markets as well. We could do worse than Tulsa and UMass. I don't think Rice would make sense, since they would bring nothing to the TV footprint.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 12:04 AM
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I would guess SDSU is gone (doesn't make sense for the MWC to keep them out), but the grass is far greener in the east for SMU and Houston. The Big East needs to get to 12 at least, and add in television markets as well. We could do worse than Tulsa and UMass. I don't think Rice would make sense, since they would bring nothing to the TV footprint.
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I may be in the minority saying this but I'd get aggressive and offer SDSU full membership along with UNLV.
Perhaps New Mexico and CSU.
Cut the heart out of the MWC, leave BSU in the shambles of a league.
This is going to be an all sports league both of those schools have good basketball programs and are inbig markets.
Forget USM, Tulsa,
Consider UMASS simply because they have a chance to dent a major northeastern market.
Last edited 1/8/2013 12:08 AM by bearcatvol
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Posted: 1/8/2013 12:28 AM
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I agree with the full membership and adding UNLV as well. It would be a good move by the Big East to take some of the better basketball programs in the conference along with bigger markets and really make Boise wonder if they made the correct choice in backing out.
I also hate that people bring up geography as a factor in why the Big East is a terrible conference. Sure, having teams from Connecticut to San Diego isn't ideal but the world is shrinking. Going from Storrs to San Deigo isn't as big of a deal as it was 30+ years ago. Plus, it isn't like other conferences aren't spreading geographically speaking. Were people saying the PAC-16 wouldn't have worked because the distance between Seattle and Houston is just too large and would tax the athletes too much? I don't recall a single person bringing that up but when the Big East plans on expanding West everyone hops on the geography of the move and how it will never work out.
The ACC has teams located in Miami and Boston which is about a 3 hour flight but it doesn't seem to be a problem to anyone. It seems like distance isn't a factor if the schools are separated from North-South but if the schools are separated East-West then it's like the Mayan Apocalypse all over again. It's just ESPiN pumping their propaganda machine and everyone seems to hop right on it.
Sure, SDSU would have no traditional rivals in the conference but as we have seen in this whole CFB world rivalries can be thrown to the wayside as long as there is a larger paycheck to be cashed.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 12:32 AM
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I agree with the points made by beacatvol. But the PAC-12 membership was absolutely concerned about the travel implications of expanding to Texas and Oklahoma. It was a big issue internally.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:38 AM
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how about Swathmore and Liberty.......  |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:29 AM
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bearcatvol wrote:
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I would guess SDSU is gone (doesn't make sense for the MWC to keep them out), but the grass is far greener in the east for SMU and Houston. The Big East needs to get to 12 at least, and add in television markets as well. We could do worse than Tulsa and UMass. I don't think Rice would make sense, since they would bring nothing to the TV footprint.
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I may be in the minority saying this but I'd get aggressive and offer SDSU full membership along with UNLV.
Perhaps New Mexico and CSU.
Cut the heart out of the MWC, leave BSU in the shambles of a league.
This is going to be an all sports league both of those schools have good basketball programs and are inbig markets.
Forget USM, Tulsa,
Consider UMASS simply because they have a chance to dent a major northeastern market. To make an all-sports cross-continent league work, it'd have to expand to 16 teams (to correct for our current eastern focus). Add Umass to Cincinnati, UConn, USF, Temple, UCF, ECU, Memphis for an eastern division.
Add UNLV, CSU, New Mexico, Tulsa to Tulane, Houston, SMU, SDSU for a western division.
Figure out how to add the service academies if they still want to come.
I don’t mind the idea (better in basketball than football), but it would take a lot of dominoes falling the right way, the biggest one being a network that is willing to bankroll the idea.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:50 AM
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CardinalX3 wrote: I agree with the points made by beacatvol. But the PAC-12 membership was absolutely concerned about the travel implications of expanding to Texas and Oklahoma. It was a big issue internally. I understand it is but here is how I look at it. Obviously Louisville is a shorter trip.... But.... bus from Cincinnati to Pitt and Morgantown- 4 1/2 and 5 Hours. Of course all those teams are gone soon....Assuming everything stays as is and we can't escape whitch mountain.... a bus to Memphis 7 or 8 hours is our shortest trip. Flight from Cincinnati to San Diego- 4 or 4 1/2 hours. Frankly the supposed long trip is the much easier trip. If you are a student athlete what would you rather do? |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:57 AM
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I am not against your idea at all. I was only responding to the comment re/ the Pac-12. From what I have heard, travel was an issue (perhaps secondary, but cited nonetheless) in not expanding to TX and OK.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 9:59 AM
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1 - I am going to post how ignorant I am about the University of Tulsa and share my new found knowledge with the rest of you: Did you know... Tulsa's enrollment is the smallest in the FBS division (4,350 students) Tulsa is a private school associated with the Presbyterian Church Tulsa has a 30,000 on campus stadium with room for improvement Their men's basketball team is not that bad (better than Tulane's) They have room for growth. - and the campus is beautiful! ....and here I always just thought of Tulsa as the program that launched the evils of Kragthorpe and Graham onto the rest of the FBS world... http://www.utulsa.edu/Now - do I think they should be in this conference? Probably not...but my new found knowledge helps me understand their abilities a little better. I like Vol's idea though - go west, get those great basketball schools in, and start undermining the MW. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:13 AM
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...or just merge with the MW.
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Posted: 1/8/2013 10:33 AM
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brell wrote: how about Swathmore and Liberty....... Far as I'm concerned, you are preaching to the choir brother 
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:04 PM
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I will give a little history on UMass, since they are an unknown outside of New England. They were conference rivals with UConn for over 50 years in the Yankee Conference (now the Colonial Athletic Conference). From the early 40s through the mid 80s, the Yankee Conference was entirely located in New England. They had the major state school from each New England state during most of that time period. UConn is now in the BEast, UMass has risen to the MAC, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Maine are still in the CAA, and Vermont dropped football in '74, being replaced by Boston U. who dropped football in '98.
UConn and UMass were conference rivals until 1999.
UMass leads the all time series over UConn 36-34-2.
Last edited 1/8/2013 7:28 PM by Vermonter
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:13 PM
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A student athlete might not notice much of a difference between a 6 hour bus ride and a 4 hour flight but a 4 hour estimated flight time to San Diego assumes direct flights. While football and basketball fly charter or direct, UC Olympic sports teams don't always fly direct and never charter so their travel times by air would likely be longer and require them to miss a lot more class. The program travel costs for those same non-revenue Olympic teams would also go up exponentially with flights over bus rides and would be cost prohibitive.
Last edited 1/8/2013 2:14 PM by mptnstrat44
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Posted: 1/8/2013 2:48 PM
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Thanks...didn't know their history together. Isn't Rhode Island in the A-10? I remember Harrick had some teams with Tyson Wheeler & Cutino Mobley, then Antonio Reynolds Dean & Lamar Odom right after that. They probably had to mortgage the library for that player payroll! Vermonter wrote: I will give a little history on UMass, since they are an unknown outside of New England. They were conference rivals with UConn for over 50 years in the Yankee Conference (now the Colonial Athletic Conference). From the early 40s through the mid 80s, the Yankee Conference was entirely located in New England. They had the major state school from each New England state during most of that time period. UConn is now in the BEast, UMass has risen to the MAC, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Maine are still in the CAA, and Vermont dropped football in '74, being replaced by Boston U. who dropped football in '98.
UMass leads the all time series over UConn 36-34-2. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 3:05 PM
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Vermonter wrote: I will give a little history on UMass, since they are an unknown outside of New England. They were conference rivals with UConn for over 50 years in the Yankee Conference (now the Colonial Athletic Conference). From the early 40s through the mid 80s, the Yankee Conference was entirely located in New England. They had the major state school from each New England state during most of that time period. UConn is now in the BEast, UMass has risen to the MAC, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Maine are still in the CAA, and Vermont dropped football in '74, being replaced by Boston U. who dropped football in '98.
UMass leads the all time series over UConn 36-34-2. Thanks for that. I look at them as a potential program simply because they are the "flagship" public University in that state. Therefore in theory they have the biggest alumni base in a state that has Boston in it. Seems to me they could have a similar arc of success that UConn has had.... if not more due to the population there. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 3:26 PM
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Teakwood wrote: Thanks...didn't know their history together. Isn't Rhode Island in the A-10? I remember Harrick had some teams with Tyson Wheeler & Cutino Mobley, then Antonio Reynolds Dean & Lamar Odom right after that. They probably had to mortgage the library for that player payroll!
Vermonter wrote: I will give a little history on UMass, since they are an unknown outside of New England. They were conference rivals with UConn for over 50 years in the Yankee Conference (now the Colonial Athletic Conference). From the early 40s through the mid 80s, the Yankee Conference was entirely located in New England. They had the major state school from each New England state during most of that time period. UConn is now in the BEast, UMass has risen to the MAC, New Hampshire, Rhode Island and Maine are still in the CAA, and Vermont dropped football in '74, being replaced by Boston U. who dropped football in '98.
UMass leads the all time series over UConn 36-34-2. Yes, for other sports. The A10 actually sponsored the old Yankee Football Conference for a while (early 2000s) before the CAA took over sponsorship. The football conference has always been considered a separate entity from it's various parent conferences. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 6:20 PM
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bearcatvol wrote:
I understand it is but here is how I look at it.
Obviously Louisville is a shorter trip....
But.... bus from Cincinnati to Pitt and Morgantown- 4 1/2 and 5 Hours.
Of course all those teams are gone soon....
Assuming everything stays as is and we can't escape whitch mountain.... a bus to Memphis 7 or 8 hours is our shortest trip.
Flight from Cincinnati to San Diego- 4 or 4 1/2 hours.
Frankly the supposed long trip is the much easier trip.
If you are a student athlete what would you rather do? Time zone changes are the real problem. |
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Posted: 1/8/2013 8:25 PM
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Bearcat85 wrote:
bearcatvol wrote:
I understand it is but here is how I look at it.
Obviously Louisville is a shorter trip....
But.... bus from Cincinnati to Pitt and Morgantown- 4 1/2 and 5 Hours.
Of course all those teams are gone soon....
Assuming everything stays as is and we can't escape whitch mountain.... a bus to Memphis 7 or 8 hours is our shortest trip.
Flight from Cincinnati to San Diego- 4 or 4 1/2 hours.
Frankly the supposed long trip is the much easier trip.
If you are a student athlete what would you rather do? Time zone changes are the real problem. Not if you don't quit looking at your own watch. |
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