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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:43 PM

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I realize Duke has a poor D, but after watching what he can do with weeks to prepare.  How excited is everyone to see what he can do for a full season?  I think any chance an underclassman could unseat him was removed by last nights game.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:51 PM

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I don't quite see it the same way, but I am glad he is coming back.

Truthfully, I wasn't a big fan of our offensive scheme the last 3 years. Anxious to see what Gran does with us...especially the WR's that I think were underutilized.

BTW, I did think T.J. Weist did a good job last night. Hard to imagine he stays unemployed for long. Given the amount of respect I now have for the 4 unemployed coaches (+Stripling), I hope all 4 find good jobs very soon. They did well under extremely difficult circumstances.

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Posted: 12/28/2012 2:58 PM

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CardinalX3 wrote: I don't quite see it the same way, but I am glad he is coming back.

Truthfully, I wasn't a big fan of our offensive scheme the last 3 years. Anxious to see what Gran does with us...especially the WR's that I think we're underutilized.

BTW, I did think T.J. Weist did a good job last night. Hard to imagine he stays unemployed for long. Given the amount of respect I now have for the 4 unemployed coaches (+Stripling), I hope all 4 find good jobs very soon. They did well under extremely difficult circumstances.
He underthrew some balls for sure (the 30 yard completion to McClung would have been a TD if he had led him properly), but for the most part, very sharpe.  Loved the block when Winn cut it back.  Loved the scrambles when Duke dropped back in man.  I feel real good with the idea of Kay coming back as a starter.

Also, what you didn't like watching 35 read option zone blocking plays a game?  It was painful to watch when it wasn't working.

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Posted: 12/28/2012 3:26 PM

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I'd like to see Blair come back for his 6th season...but I don't think it's gonna happen. Looks likely to get drafted this year. BTW, some nice tweets from his NBA brother last night.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 7:21 PM

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Love that Kay is returning. My guess is one of the main reasons he didn't get the start this season was why wait for a player to gain experience when they're gone in one year? Cards' point on BJ's offense rings true: Kenbrell seemed to disappear, McClung wasn't called nearly enough and who even is Chris Moore? But, some of that has to be attributed to Munchie/Kay.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 7:30 PM

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WRs seem to dissappear in Lyle's Offense in general (DJ Woods senior year), but Thompkins struggled to get open all year.  Slipping, watching the qb instead of running hard through his routes; all year I watched KT and wondered why he couldn't get any seperation.  As for it being the QB's fault, UC's best WRs were the ones the best at adjusting to the ball while it was in the air because the QBs failed to get it to where it was supposed to be.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 7:48 PM

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I think Blair is coming back because he is being projected to be a sixth or seventh round player. He might be wise to come back and improve his draft status but you never know what he may decide.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:38 PM

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I hope so Bob, I hope so. But I've seen the "advisors" get in a kid's ear firsthand and they can pump a lotta sunshine if you know what I mean.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 8:41 PM

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WRs seem to dissappear in Lyle's Offense in general (DJ Woods senior year), but Thompkins struggled to get open all year.  Slipping, watching the qb instead of running hard through his routes; all year I watched KT and wondered why he couldn't get any seperation.  As for it being the QB's fault, UC's best WRs were the ones the best at adjusting to the ball while it was in the air because the QBs failed to get it to where it was supposed to be.

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Pretty much agree...not sure about KT as I only saw one game in person. But some of those catches yesterday (RDA4 for one) were due to good adjustments by receivers rather than a good throw. Kelce's was a really good throw.

I never thought Lyle's passing game went vertical enough times. Puzzling to me given the purported talent of the receiving corps.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 10:23 PM

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I'm not going to lie: I figured Cincy was screwed when you guys opted for Kay over Munchie...but after watching him in the Belk Bowl, I gotta say he's legit. He looked pretty damn good.
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Posted: 12/28/2012 11:23 PM

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Munchie has trouble setting his feet when he throws. I'm not sure he is well suited to be a qb. Might be a good wide receiver. Munchie wasn't getting the job done so I was hoping butch and co would make the change. They waited a game to long. He cost UC the Toledo game and u of l game. The Rutgers game was all on butch jones...

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I'm not going to lie: I figured Cincy was screwed when you guys opted for Kay over Munchie...but after watching him in the Belk Bowl, I gotta say he's legit. He looked pretty damn good.

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Posted: 12/29/2012 7:07 AM

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Obviously I don't know as much about your team as you do, I just saw where the starter for the past what? Two years? Was replaced for someone else and ergo I figured if Kay had been that much better he would've started the year so it was an "Uh oh, here we go..." type of thing in my head. Turns out, that's not the case and Kay really was that much better. I have to ask, is it frustrating for you guys? I mean, with as well as Kay played this year for you guys and as much as he seemingly improved the more he played, you'd have to think he would be better still had he not sat behind Munchie as long as he did. OR, are you guys OK with Munchie having started the first half of the year? What's the general feeling on that?

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Posted: 12/29/2012 7:51 AM

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It varies depending on who you talk to. After seeing Munchie last year when Zach went down (poor guy, I still feel for him) I wanted no part of it. Kay, with all the injuries in his career, was a pleasant surprise. Honestly I didn't think this season would be a good one with all the talent we lost... Goerge Winn turned out tobe a BEAST.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 8:19 AM

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CardinalX3 wrote:

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WRs seem to dissappear in Lyle's Offense in general (DJ Woods senior year), but Thompkins struggled to get open all year.  Slipping, watching the qb instead of running hard through his routes; all year I watched KT and wondered why he couldn't get any seperation.  As for it being the QB's fault, UC's best WRs were the ones the best at adjusting to the ball while it was in the air because the QBs failed to get it to where it was supposed to be.

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Pretty much agree...not sure about KT as I only saw one game in person. But some of those catches yesterday (RDA4 for one) were due to good adjustments by receivers rather than a good throw. Kelce's was a really good throw.

I never thought Lyle's passing game went vertical enough times. Puzzling to me given the purported talent of the receiving corps.
Overall I think that Coach Jones offense made it too easy for teams to defend. When you run the spread that BK ran, teams had to respect it all because he had so many routes and he aired it out so much that you couldnt spend time stacking the line to stop the run. Teams knew UC would run the ball first to set up the pass so they dared Munchie to throw, when he couldnt then it made it much easier. Kay has made it tougher to defend but with TT's offense that is back to the BK air it out more attack, teams will start having a more difficult time defending us. I never really liked CBJ's offense and he might have a hard time trying to do the same at UT, think back to when they have had a QB that can run? Maybe Tee Martin.

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Posted: 12/29/2012 8:33 AM

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bduckens wrote: Overall I think that Coach Jones offense made it too easy for teams to defend. When you run the spread that BK ran, teams had to respect it all because he had so many routes and he aired it out so much that you couldnt spend time stacking the line to stop the run. Teams knew UC would run the ball first to set up the pass so they dared Munchie to throw, when he couldnt then it made it much easier. Kay has made it tougher to defend but with TT's offense that is back to the BK air it out more attack, teams will start having a more difficult time defending us. I never really liked CBJ's offense and he might have a hard time trying to do the same at UT, think back to when they have had a QB that can run? Maybe Tee Martin.

This is why I don't think he'll have much success there (no sour grapes just not a good situation for him).  Martin was mobile, but if I remember, not much of a runner.  Same with Heath Shuler.  If you want a running QB at UT it would be before my time.  Given how frusterating it is to watch CBJ Offense when it's not working, and the fact UT fans didn't like the hire anyway, CBJ may not like his stay in Knoxville.
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Posted: 12/29/2012 9:32 AM

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I agree with you guys, I don't think Butch is going to have the same kind of success in Tennessee that he had in Cincinnati. I will say that while I love Coach Strong and wouldn't rather have any other coach for my Cards, I DO think that of the two, Butch was the better fit for Tennessee however. He has the personality that counts for a helluva lot in the SEC. Strong doesn't strike me as the type to sing Rocky Top after a win, Jones does for example.

I'm glad Kay worked out for you guys, and after all the trash Munchie talked about being the better QB between him and Bridgewater, I'm glad he's learned he's not even the best QB on the Cincinnati side-lines. lol
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:17 AM

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Yea, I think most of Cincinnati just shook their heads when they saw that quote... It's good to have confidence but lets try not underthrowing a 5 yard crossing route with regularity before we proclaim to be a world beater...

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I agree with you guys, I don't think Butch is going to have the same kind of success in Tennessee that he had in Cincinnati. I will say that while I love Coach Strong and wouldn't rather have any other coach for my Cards, I DO think that of the two, Butch was the better fit for Tennessee however. He has the personality that counts for a helluva lot in the SEC. Strong doesn't strike me as the type to sing Rocky Top after a win, Jones does for example.

I'm glad Kay worked out for you guys, and after all the trash Munchie talked about being the better QB between him and Bridgewater, I'm glad he's learned he's not even the best QB on the Cincinnati side-lines. lol

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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:40 AM

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3rdandBlunder wrote: I agree with you guys, I don't think Butch is going to have the same kind of success in Tennessee that he had in Cincinnati. I will say that while I love Coach Strong and wouldn't rather have any other coach for my Cards, I DO think that of the two, Butch was the better fit for Tennessee however. He has the personality that counts for a helluva lot in the SEC. Strong doesn't strike me as the type to sing Rocky Top after a win, Jones does for example.

I'm glad Kay worked out for you guys, and after all the trash Munchie talked about being the better QB between him and Bridgewater, I'm glad he's learned he's not even the best QB on the Cincinnati side-lines. lol
Serious question - I like Charlie Strong just fine...think he's done a good job.  But you wouldn't rather have any other coach?  Really?

I think Strong is a B+ coach.  Maybe an A recruiter and motivator...but a B+ coach.  Nothing wrong with that...thats about what I'd call Butch Jones.  Butch never beat an opponent better than his team and Charlie has taken some horrendous losses (FIU, UConn this year, a 4-8 UC team in 2010).

Great personna, but my 'other' team is Stanford and I'd be disappointed if they hired Strong some day.  (I'd be disappointed if they hired Butch too).
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Posted: 12/29/2012 11:56 AM

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I dont mind running the ball to set up the pass but i cant stand running 7 plays out of 4 formations.  Bajakian's offense was anything but multiple.  It was easy to prepare for and frankly i thought it was fairly easy to defend for a disciplined D.  It will be interesting how their offense changes at UT because i dont think the O run at UC will work regularly at Rocky Top.

In terms of Eddie Gran, we really dont have any idea exactly what he is bringing to the table because he has never run an offense.  However, we do know what they ran at FSU and we have heard he may go to UCLA to get a crash course in their version of the spread.  FSU ran about the same about of plays that Bajakian ran but they ran it out of at least three times as many formations making it much hard to recognize.  In terms of what Mazzone runs at UCLA we could expect a ton of motion when the D is in man coverage to force 1 on 1 matchups to attack deep.  It also forces the LBs to tip what they are doing pre snap.  Either way it will be far different than what we have seen the last three years and should be more difficult read and recognize IMHO

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Posted: 12/29/2012 2:13 PM

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CardinalX3 wrote:
3rdandBlunder wrote: I agree with you guys, I don't think Butch is going to have the same kind of success in Tennessee that he had in Cincinnati. I will say that while I love Coach Strong and wouldn't rather have any other coach for my Cards, I DO think that of the two, Butch was the better fit for Tennessee however. He has the personality that counts for a helluva lot in the SEC. Strong doesn't strike me as the type to sing Rocky Top after a win, Jones does for example.

I'm glad Kay worked out for you guys, and after all the trash Munchie talked about being the better QB between him and Bridgewater, I'm glad he's learned he's not even the best QB on the Cincinnati side-lines. lol
Serious question - I like Charlie Strong just fine...think he's done a good job.  But you wouldn't rather have any other coach?  Really?

I think Strong is a B+ coach.  Maybe an A recruiter and motivator...but a B+ coach.  Nothing wrong with that...thats about what I'd call Butch Jones.  Butch never beat an opponent better than his team and Charlie has taken some horrendous losses (FIU, UConn this year, a 4-8 UC team in 2010).

Great personna, but my 'other' team is Stanford and I'd be disappointed if they hired Strong some day.  (I'd be disappointed if they hired Butch too).

Butch > Strong for the reasons that you mentioned.  Strong will majorly struggle in the ACC.
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