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UC, UConnn investigating trans-continental league

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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:30 AM

UC, UConnn investigating trans-continental league 


...with other disenfranchised football programs.  Lots to digest here...all sports...Grant of Rights...ACC leverage...decent league if it comes together...

http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/ 2012-12-14/cincinnati-uconn-acc-big-east-leaving-c onference-realignment-connecticut

Last edited 12/14/2012 11:33 AM by CardinalX3

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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:49 AM

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My only concern with playing hardball and making like UC is joining that new league with a GoR is that there is a possibility that the ACC calls our bluff and does nothing and then UC is stuck having to sign a GoR for a league that we don't want to be in.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:52 AM

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Certainly puts the ACC on notice, some pretty good thinking going on here. Does the ACC have more to lose than UC has to gain?. They are the conference most at risk of being raided which seems likely to happen.  If UC and UConn are no longer available, then they need to look at C-USA members to backfill.  Not sure how well that flies among the conference presidents.

Last edited 12/14/2012 11:56 AM by hemmel

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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:54 AM

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The basketball side will suck. The football side has potential. But it sounds like each school would have to commit to it. The only thing I feel comfortable about committing to is the Big XII or ACC.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 11:55 AM

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mptnstrat44 wrote: My only concern with playing hardball and making like UC is joining that new league with a GoR is that there is a possibility that the ACC calls our bluff and does nothing and then UC is stuck having to sign a GoR for a league that we don't want to be in.
Yup, agree.

My other concern is for "all sports."  That would be BRUTAL on the non-revenue sports teams in terms of travel.  Absolutely brutal.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:01 PM

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The costs for travel both in money and missed classtime would be very costly, agreed.
Transcontinental conferences are very problematic for non-revenue generating teams.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:05 PM

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Say what you will about UConn's football program...just kinda average at best.  But as a whole, they are a good partner in this search for a good spot IMO.  Good academics.  Rich basketball tradition - both men's and women's and baseball gaining steam recently.

In short, people on the street have a generally good view of UConn as a whole.

Really difficult for me to see how BC has been able to keep them out of the ACC.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:12 PM

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A GOR? Dont see it happening, but this idea is better than the MAC.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:22 PM

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Football is repectable.  I actually think hoops would end up being pretty solid - SDSU, UNM & BYU/UCF are good and UNLV has upside.  Heck have you seen how Boise is playing - very respectable.  The East side speaks for itself.

Non revenue sports will only play regionally - that's how it works now anyway - go to gobearcats.com and look up the schedules, the teams hardly leave the tristate area until conference tournament time.

While its not ideal, it is at least a halfway decent chicken salad.

I'm no lawyer, but I have trouble thinking even a GOR can hold up to the right legal team.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:23 PM

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I think the reason the GoR is mentioned is that no school is going to commit to a conference with UC and UConn without a serious binding commitment from them, given the very public push by both schools to move to the ACC (or whatever Power 5 conference.) i.e. no school is going to trust their word unless they agree to the "written in blood" of a GoR.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:26 PM

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Might as well include Ohio, right??
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:28 PM

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At the very least, at least we wouldnt have to mourn about "going back to the CUSA days"
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:33 PM

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I think GOR is the single biggest objection we would have...right?  It would be for me.  Otherwise, this is a reasonable football conference...for a while anyways.  Would still love to see Navy and AF in it though.

And unfortunately, there aren't a lotta teams in this that will fill up Nippert.

I am confident Nippert will fill regularly when we have regular ACC or Big12 teams on the schedule...even PBS would fill decently with some of those teams.

But how to get there?  That is the puzzle they are working on right now.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:42 PM

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Fresno/Nevada would also be needed for football out west IMO
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Posted: 12/14/2012 12:45 PM

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Haven't seen Colorado State mentioned...interesting.  UNM is a great basketball member if this happens...but they are woeful on the football front.  Nephew played there...low attendance and interest.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:04 PM

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Teakwood wrote:
I'm no lawyer, but I have trouble thinking even a GOR can hold up to the right legal team.
I am an attorney, but I do boring compliance-type stuff for a large bank.  That said, a grant of rights is a contract.  Any contract can be bought out.  From what I know about the Big 12 GOR, it is irod clad for one simple reason:  It's made of gold.  Who would want to leave the current version of the Big 12??  A school could  buy their way out, but why?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:17 PM

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Good find Cardinal. It's not ideal, but we need a port in the storm so to speak. The bonus is it could help press the ACC into bringing us in.
Good basketball, not bad in football.

As mentioned before I'm surprised no CSU... perhaps they have made it clear come he'll or high water they aren't leaving the MWC?
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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:27 PM

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I vote a strong NO to a nationwide all-sports conference for the following reasons:

1. Travel of all our other sports would sink our budget
2. Splitting off from the BE basketball schools will hamper Mick's east coast recruiting. We still need a foot in the east.

I would like to see us and UConn tag along with the split b-ball league, and we can play in that proposed league football only.

I would take it one step further, and play football only in the cross-country-cluster, men's and women's basketball only in the basketball league, and all of our less relevant olympic sports in the MAC. Our major sports would each have the proper "relevancy", or at least, good as we can get. Travel for the minor sports would be minimal, and we're sure as heck beyond the point where we are going to get a TV revenue bump. But that scenario is probably not doable at all, anyway.

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Posted: 12/14/2012 1:51 PM

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l6ozbud wrote:
Teakwood wrote:
I'm no lawyer, but I have trouble thinking even a GOR can hold up to the right legal team.
I am an attorney, but I do boring compliance-type stuff for a large bank.  That said, a grant of rights is a contract.  Any contract can be bought out.  From what I know about the Big 12 GOR, it is irod clad for one simple reason:  It's made of gold.  Who would want to leave the current version of the Big 12??  A school could  buy their way out, but why?
Lots of contracts in my world get bought out or amended or whatever.

-GOR has to have an option to cancel
-For other sports, UC focuses on playing more Eastern, Central teams.
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Posted: 12/14/2012 2:02 PM

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UCLemmiwinks wrote: I vote a strong NO to a nationwide all-sports conference for the following reasons:

1. Travel of all our other sports would sink our budget
2. Splitting off from the BE basketball schools will hamper Mick's east coast recruiting. We still need a foot in the east.

I would like to see us and UConn tag along with the split b-ball league, and we can play in that proposed league football only.

I would take it one step further, and play football only in the cross-country-cluster, men's and women's basketball only in the basketball league, and all of our less relevant olympic sports in the MAC. Our major sports would each have the proper "relevancy", or at least, good as we can get. Travel for the minor sports would be minimal, and we're sure as heck beyond the point where we are going to get a TV revenue bump. But that scenario is probably not doable at all, anyway.

Agree.  I made the point yesterday UC needs to stick with the Catholics for basketball (w/ UConn) and go Indy in football.   We need to form an alliance with other Indy's for footballl scheduling (BYU, Navy, Army) UConn, USF and Temple (wherever they land), UofL, Memphis and Miami and then schedule the other 3-4 games from teams in the Power 5.  

The Catholic schools are likely going to NBC.   I would think NBC would be willing to televise some football as well and be willing to pay us for the additional content.
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