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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:24 AM

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Like him or hate him, Greg Swaim is a Big 12 guy and he makes realignment is business.  Right now he's tweeting that his "sources" are telling him that the Big 12 is pondering adding four.  He's saying the four will come from a pool of FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, BYU and Cincinnati.  The stated rationale for going after us would be the market possibility they lost when Louisville went to the ACC.  Swaim says it's the same source that said the Big 12 would take WVU when nobody else thought that was going to happen.

All told, Swaim is batting around .333 with his realignment predictions, so it's something positive to cling to. The Big 12 is his business, so there's that as well.

Greg Swaim Show @ GSwaim " @ DaveDaWVUFan : @ GSwaim @ joe_herdman Which 2 or 4 teams though?" // # FSU , # clemson , # VT , # BYU , # Bearcats being considered. Greg Swaim Show ‏ @ GSwaim @ Joe_Herdman With TV dictating any possible # BIG12 additions, look for market share as a major factor. Greg Swaim Show ‏ @ GSwaim @ posas13 Reason the # Bearcats are being looked at by # BIG12 is that # CardNation no longer on the table in that area. They occupy same market

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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:27 AM

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I'm sorry but Greg Swaim's strategy for re-alignment coverage is grab everything possible, throw it against a wall, and hope that something will stick.  I have gotten my hopes up with his coverage to allow myself to get sucked right back in.

Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:32 AM

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EcFlay wrote:

Hoping for the best, preparing for the worst.

That's a very Cincinnati thing to do.

And I agree to an extent.  Swaim makes his name by putting himself out there.  He will admit himself that he's wiffed on some of this realignment stuff.  That said, the Big 12 is his business and when the rest of the country thought Louisville to the Big 12 was a done deal, it was Swaim and his sources that first reported WVU as a candidate.  I'm not saying there's fire, but definitely smoke.  If the Big 12 ever was serious about Louisville, it makes us more attractive now.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:36 AM

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Swaim is an agitator. No different really than MHver3 and the Dude of WV. No credibility whatsoever. He is a pot stirrer and I'll give you one guess what is in that pot.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:44 AM

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l6ozbud wrote:

That's a very Cincinnati thing to do.

Unfortunately that's about the only thing that we can do.  The whole thing feels so out of our hands that we are just along for the ride.

I'm willing to make a multi-year donation commitment if there were plans, goals, possible outcomes laid out to alumni and fans, but I'm not sure I can do anything better than making my UCATs donation year by year at this point.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:50 AM

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While I don't put any credibilty into Swaim, the fact that we continually are in the conversation regarding expansion in both the ACC and Big12 is a good thing.  It's better than being forgotten.

I'm still not completely sold on 4x16 as an end game, I just don't see all four conferences in such a symbiotic relationship.  I'm guessing we'll see five conferences ranging from 12 to 16 members when it's all done. I have to believe we will be in the ACC (Big East 2.0) and will continue to catch flack for being in a crappy conference - The more things change the more they stay the same.

There will be an eight team playoff with five champs plus three at large selected by committee - no conference limit so the SEC can get four teams in on a good year  and Boise can get in on a good year too since top eight is very possible for them.

All just my opinion.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:53 AM

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Its nice just to see UC's name out there.  The more it is out there, the better it is for recruiting and the program.  Not the Swaim is a reliable source, but it would be great if two conferences were interested, maybe UC will end up in one of them.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:53 AM

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UC would turn down the invitation to the Big 12. Everyone knows now it is just a matter of time before the ACC loses at least two more schools. The rumor is already out there that GT will be the 15th member of the Big 10 within two weeks. 

The Big 12 is a very bad fit for UC, UC has no desire to play in a Texas conference. UC will wait for the eventual ACC (Big East 2.0) invite. 

WVU jumped the gun and finds itself on an eastern island of a Texas conference.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:58 AM

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If the Big12 makes the first offer unless UC knows an ACC invite is coming they'll take the Big12. I suppose they might use a Big12 invite as leverage towards the ACC if UC prefers the ACC.

But UC needs a lifeboat out of the NBE so if a lifeboat arrives named Beevo, Sooner or Big12 they will not turn it down.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:09 AM

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There is absolutely NO logical reason to turn down an offer to a major conference "in hopes" of getting into a different one.  You could stand pat if you are already in a major, but we arent.  So everything rational in me says ron is way off.

However, since ron was right on Williams, I'm buying in.  I am now joining the "Church of ron" eek.  Henceforth there will be NO capital improvments until I win the Powerball and we will turn down all conference invites until the ACC comes to call.

ron, your last name isn't Hubbard is it?
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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:43 AM

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Teakwood wrote: 

I'm still not completely sold on 4x16 as an end game, I just don't see all four conferences in such a symbiotic relationship.  I'm guessing we'll see five conferences ranging from 12 to 16 members when it's all done. I have to believe we will be in the ACC (Big East 2.0) and will continue to catch flack for being in a crappy conference - The more things change the more they stay the same.

There will be an eight team playoff with five champs plus three at large selected by committee - no conference limit so the SEC can get four teams in on a good year  and Boise can get in on a good year too since top eight is very possible for them.

All just my opinion.
THIS...is the way I believe it will play out too.  I believe the Pac12 remains a big blocker on the way to 4x16.

But then again...anything can (and possibly will) happen.  Very dynamic situation.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:11 AM

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The Big XII needs more than 10. Losing revenue without a championship game. WVU still needs a travel partner. Big XII is definitely a tougher row to hoe than the ACC, but a more stable life raft. The irony would be sweet if the ACC lost us while they left us hanging. As they said, we will always be here just waiting on their invite! Would be hilarious to watch them scramble for the last of the C*USA leftovers. I know we take the first offer extended. I'd even take the CFL.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:41 AM

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Living in Charlotte, NC, I'm praying for UC in the ACC.  If current members stay, it puts me within 5 hours of 6 schools.  Yes, selfish, but I would love it.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:09 AM

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Just the opposite, adding just any member to the Big 12 would cost the current teams revenue, the pot would be split 12 ways instead of 10. That is why Louisville never got into the Big 12 as Louisville would not add $20 million to the TV contract. If you want to be in the Big 12 you have to bring $20 million a year in additional TV revenue with you. This is the main reason why the Big 12 will not invite UC to join.

Louisville did not add any additional TV revenue to the ACC, they merely replaced Maryland.

UC is not an add school, UC is a replacement school. Now if the rumors about Kansas to the Big 10 become reality UC will have a chance because the Big 12 TV contract requires that they have 10 schools at a minimum.

BearcatEd wrote: The Big XII needs more than 10. Losing revenue without a championship game. WVU still needs a travel partner. Big XII is definitely a tougher row to hoe than the ACC, but a more stable life raft. The irony would be sweet if the ACC lost us while they left us hanging. As they said, we will always be here just waiting on their invite! Would be hilarious to watch them scramble for the last of the C*USA leftovers. I know we take the first offer extended. I'd even take the CFL.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:19 AM

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Swaim is FOS. He says everything so in the end he can be "right"
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Posted: 11/30/2012 2:00 PM

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UC would never turn down an invitation to the Big XII. They are far more stable than the ACC is. I dont expect them to get an invite by any means but if they did get one they would take it in a heart beat.

They'd be the dumbest program in the country to turn it down in "hopes" of waiting for another unstable conference like the ACC to invite them.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 2:05 PM

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Yup.  Can't turn down the Big XII if they come knocking.  Plus, it would basically be skipping a step since if we ended up in the ACC and the football tanked we would get gobbled up again anyway.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:30 PM

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Like him or hate him, Greg Swaim is a Big 12 guy and he makes realignment is business.  Right now he's tweeting that his "sources" are telling him that the Big 12 is pondering adding four.  He's saying the four will come from a pool of FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, BYU and Cincinnati.  The stated rationale for going after us would be the market possibility they lost when Louisville went to the ACC.  Swaim says it's the same source that said the Big 12 would take WVU when nobody else thought that was going to happen.

All told, Swaim is batting around .333 with his realignment predictions, so it's something positive to cling to. The Big 12 is his business, so there's that as well.

Greg Swaim Show @ GSwaim " @ DaveDaWVUFan : @ GSwaim @ joe_herdman Which 2 or 4 teams though?" // # FSU , # clemson , # VT , # BYU , # Bearcats being considered. Greg Swaim Show ‏ @ GSwaim @ Joe_Herdman With TV dictating any possible # BIG12 additions, look for market share as a major factor. Greg Swaim Show ‏ @ GSwaim @ posas13 Reason the # Bearcats are being looked at by # BIG12 is that # CardNation no longer on the table in that area. They occupy same market

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Interesting. But, regarding the last sentence, Louisville and Cincinnati are not in the same market. Contrary to popular belief, USF and Miami are not in the same market as FSU (Tallahassee), either.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:37 PM

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UC would turn down the invitation to the Big 12. Everyone knows now it is just a matter of time before the ACC loses at least two more schools. The rumor is already out there that GT will be the 15th member of the Big 10 within two weeks. 

The Big 12 is a very bad fit for UC, UC has no desire to play in a Texas conference. UC will wait for the eventual ACC (Big East 2.0) invite. 

WVU jumped the gun and finds itself on an eastern island of a Texas conference.

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A Big East school can only afford to take whatever conference offer it can get, lest it risks regression.
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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:31 PM

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I cannot believe for 1 iota of 1 second that if the B12 extended an invite that UC would turn it down.

Ask yourself this:
What is UC's biggest priority at this point?

A.  Getting into the ACC
B.  Getting out of the Big East

Babcock and Ono would be buried down by the river in the same ditch as Dave Shula if they turned down the B12 and wound up stuck in the BE.

B12 calls first = Welcome to the B12
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