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What schools Voted against UC..???

Posted: 11/28/2012 4:17 PM

What schools Voted against UC..??? 


All About Football...Hmmmm.....Sweet 16 in BB.....not Good Enough.. better Academics and Market Size....Is th ACC Afraid of UC winning a ACC Title in Football.....rolleyes
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Posted: 11/28/2012 4:21 PM

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I don't think the ACC ever brought UC to a vote.
As far as has been reported the only two schools voted on were UConn and UofL.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 4:21 PM

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I don't think anyone black-balled against UC-

Seems like the southern "good-old boys" in the ACC (FSU, Clemson, etc) went for Louisville.
Probably Duke, UVA, and some of the hoity-toity members went for UConn (save BC who didn't want them in their backyard)

I think UC's only chance was if there was a 3-school expansion and we were the 3rd option.

I think the only black-ball strong opposition came in the way of BC against UConn
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Posted: 11/28/2012 4:33 PM

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No one voted against UC. When it was decided to add only one school UofL got all 11 votes because of their $88 million athletic budget. 

To compare UC's annual athletic budget is $43 million.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:41 PM

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Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.
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Posted: 11/28/2012 10:45 PM

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ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Thanks for stopping by.  The only way we get an ACC nod would likely to be replacing your Tigers.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:00 AM

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You guys are too good of a team to be left out of a major conference.

Hopefully it won't be long. You should be next in line. UConn football is awful and BBall is just about a wash with you guys. Big 12 Or ACC will eventually add.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:34 AM

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ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Not a knock against Louisville, but Cincinnati has had a much stronger football program than Louisville both recently and throughout our history. The closest thing to a Big East football powerhouse is Cincinnati.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 5:22 AM

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Azbeartime wrote:
ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Not a knock against Louisville, but Cincinnati has had a much stronger football program than Louisville both recently and throughout our history. The closest thing to a Big East football powerhouse is Cincinnati.
Az, I won't even pretend to know the history of either of your two schools.  Maybe it has to do with the perception that the UofL is "serious" about it's athletic programs and has a very strong and well funded AD.  I don't know where it all ends.  I do know that if for some reason Clemson is ever invited to the SEC and the school leadership turns them down you'll see a fan revolt the likes that have never been seen before.  Best of luck.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 7:59 AM

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ElectrikTiger wrote:
Azbeartime wrote:
ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Not a knock against Louisville, but Cincinnati has had a much stronger football program than Louisville both recently and throughout our history. The closest thing to a Big East football powerhouse is Cincinnati.
Az, I won't even pretend to know the history of either of your two schools.  Maybe it has to do with the perception that the UofL is "serious" about it's athletic programs and has a very strong and well funded AD.  I don't know where it all ends.  I do know that if for some reason Clemson is ever invited to the SEC and the school leadership turns them down you'll see a fan revolt the likes that have never been seen before.  Best of luck.
The Louisville athletic budget says they are serious.  Can't argue with that.  That said, we have always done better with less.  With a power conference affiliation and more money, we would be a wrecking ball.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:30 PM

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I hope Cincy does eventually become part of the ACC, or at least the B12.

However, Cincy is always going to have a much tougher road in becoming a big time college athletic program in my opinion simply because it is one of the smaller professional markets and yet it has and MLB and NFL team.   To me, your sports dollars are stretched before UC even comes into the picture. 

Yes, metro Cincy is at least a third bigger than Louisville, but other than a triple A baseball team, which is no pull at all on our sports dollars, UL has the city to itself, including all the corporate money.  That, and the fact we have a super AD recognizing it and taking advantage of it, is the only reason we have so much more sports revenue than Cincy.

I'm just not sure Cincy can overcome the disadvantage of having to compete with those professional franchises, but getting into a better viewed conference would sure help your situation.

Good luck.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 12:45 PM

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4evercard wrote: I hope Cincy does eventually become part of the ACC, or at least the B12.

However, Cincy is always going to have a much tougher road in becoming a big time college athletic program in my opinion simply because it is one of the smaller professional markets and yet it has and MLB and NFL team.   To me, your sports dollars are stretched before UC even comes into the picture. 

Yes, metro Cincy is at least a third bigger than Louisville, but other than a triple A baseball team, which is no pull at all on our sports dollars, UL has the city to itself, including all the corporate money.  That, and the fact we have a super AD recognizing it and taking advantage of it, is the only reason we have so much more sports revenue than Cincy.

I'm just not sure Cincy can overcome the disadvantage of having to compete with those professional franchises, but getting into a better viewed conference would sure help your situation.

Good luck.

You have fair points here.
Cincinnati is an events oriented town.
Have a marquee event people show up.
UC has done a poor job of marketing itself much of the time.

What I don't agree with is your assesment about being Big Time.

Our football team has been in the Top 25... 4 of the last 5 years and have an outside shot at 5 of 6 if we win out.
Along with a ranked basketball team in its 3rd year in a row... despite some of our challenges... on the field and on the court we are more than doing the job of being big time.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:29 PM

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Bearcatvol, I guess what I should have said was "bigtime with Cincy sports fans".   In Louisville we're IT.  In Cincy, you're chasing those two professional franchises for fans and their sports dollars. 

You'll not get any argument with me as far as Cincy's athletic accomplishment on the national scene.  You're probably bigger nationally than you are in Cincy.  Therein is Cincy's problem.  Look at the athletic revenues from all the big time programs in the big five leagues leagues.   That's why we were grabbed and Cincy was left behind.  We've got more money with which we can grow our athletic program and successes.  Cincy is limited and again it goes back to their professional competition in their own city.

A good example is our basketball program.  We pulled $41 million last year in basketball alone, almost twice as much as any other NCAA division 1 program in the country, including Kentucky, North Carolina and etc.  If we had an NBA team in Louisville, we would be unable to pull a third of that amount, but we have a monopoly on the sports dollars.  Add to it, we have that new 22,000 YUM center locked up for another 22 years, keeping an NBA team out of Louisville.  I feel for the situation Cincy is in.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:48 PM

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mptnstrat44 wrote: I don't think the ACC ever brought UC to a vote.
As far as has been reported the only two schools voted on were UConn and UofL.
And when it became apparent that UConn wasn't going to get the votes, it was settled that only one school was getting added instead of three.  That was Louisville.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:52 PM

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i have been kicking myself for years over voting for giving the bengals their new stadium.

but it's ramped up even more now. if we had said no to the stadium demand, and mike clown did move his team, i shudder to think at how much further along uc football and the uc athletic department could be.

 

 

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Posted: 11/29/2012 1:56 PM

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l6ozbud wrote:
ElectrikTiger wrote:
Azbeartime wrote:
ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Not a knock against Louisville, but Cincinnati has had a much stronger football program than Louisville both recently and throughout our history. The closest thing to a Big East football powerhouse is Cincinnati.
Az, I won't even pretend to know the history of either of your two schools.  Maybe it has to do with the perception that the UofL is "serious" about it's athletic programs and has a very strong and well funded AD.  I don't know where it all ends.  I do know that if for some reason Clemson is ever invited to the SEC and the school leadership turns them down you'll see a fan revolt the likes that have never been seen before.  Best of luck.
The Louisville athletic budget says they are serious.  Can't argue with that.  That said, we have always done better with less.  With a power conference affiliation and more money, we would be a wrecking ball.

Louisville promotes themselves well.
Like them or not, Jurich and Pittino are natural salesmen who project an image for themselves and their university.

On the other hand we don't.
Most of this time we had Mike Thomas and Mick Cronin.
Mick is a very good coach and is a fantastic behind the scenes grinder. 
But he isn't a guy who is going to sell UC in public like Mr. Armani does for Louisville.

Mike... where to begin.... in fact nowhere its too depressing.

Last edited 11/29/2012 1:57 PM by bearcatvol

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Posted: 11/29/2012 2:03 PM

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Azbeartime, Cincy leads the all time series 29-22.  Louisville has won 6 of the last 10.  Swofford made it clear yesterday UL was viewed positively for its more recent history in football.  Minus our one bad three year coach, our football program has been on a big upswing since moving into our 55,000 seat stadium 15 years ago.  We average over 50,000 per game in attendance, even with the no shows and the stadium was sold out in all but one game this season.  However, probably the big difference the ACC looked at with Louisville versus Cincy was the $88 million versus the $43 million in revenues.  Louisville simply has more money to project their product than Cincy and again we have no professional teams to compete with for our sports dollars.  We went to nine straight bowls, during this recent period and 12 over 15 years, taking 30,000 to 35,000 fans to many of those bowls, including the Orange Bowl, when we finished 6th in the nation.  I'm not sure your use of the word "much" is proper.   Louisville's sports program goes far beyond "talk".


Azbeartime wrote:
ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Not a knock against Louisville, but Cincinnati has had a much stronger football program than Louisville both recently and throughout our history. The closest thing to a Big East football powerhouse is Cincinnati.

Last edited 11/29/2012 2:19 PM by 4evercard

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Posted: 11/29/2012 2:34 PM

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4evercard wrote: Azbeartime, Cincy leads the all time series 29-22.  Louisville has won 6 of the last 10.  Swofford made it clear yesterday UL was viewed positively for its more recent history in football.  Minus our one bad three year coach, our football program has been on a big upswing since moving into our 55,000 seat stadium 15 years ago.  We average over 50,000 per game in attendance, even with the no shows and the stadium was sold out in all but one game this season.  However, probably the big difference the ACC looked at with Louisville versus Cincy was the $88 million versus the $43 million in revenues.  Louisville simply has more money to project their product than Cincy and again we have no professional teams to compete with for our sports dollars.  We went to nine straight bowls, during this recent period and 12 over 15 years, taking 30,000 to 35,000 fans to many of those bowls, including the Orange Bowl, when we finished 6th in the nation.  I'm not sure your use of the word "much" is proper.   Louisville's sports program goes far beyond "talk".


Azbeartime wrote:
ElectrikTiger wrote: Clemson guy here.  IMHO UofL got the nod to appease the football schools (Clemson, FSU, VaTech) all of who were unhappy with Cuse and Pitt.  Most fans were unhappy UConn was even up for discussion.

Not a knock against Louisville, but Cincinnati has had a much stronger football program than Louisville both recently and throughout our history. The closest thing to a Big East football powerhouse is Cincinnati.
At this point there is no use arguing about it.
Louisville got the first invite. 
My hunch is more will be coming, frankly my hope is Louisville will be helpful in getting us the second invite.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 3:51 PM

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Why would they help us at this point? They can outrecruit us now for sure, escpecially in our own city. Other than a regular additional local game what benefit would UL receive for helping us? The thought of WVU helping us is far more logical than UL IMO.
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Posted: 11/29/2012 4:01 PM

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4evercard wrote: Azbeartime, Cincy leads the all time series 29-22.  Louisville has won 6 of the last 10. 
Not to be nitpicky, but Cincinnati leads the all time series 30-21-1.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keg_of_Nails


(and the last one could have easily gone the other way for an even split over the last 10)
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