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Posted: 11/20/2012 8:23 PM

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Academics:

41,970 Total Enrollment
$1 billion+ Endowment
Top 25 Public Research University
UC is the largest employer in the Cincinnati region, with an economic impact of more than $3 billion.

Rankings of specific colleges and programs:
 
U.S. News & World Report Rankings: (2012 or most recent previous ranking.)
 
The University of Cincinnati is ranked 143rd among the top tier of U.S universities and 73rd among public universities.


Cooperative Education: 4th in the U.S.


Pharmacy: 32nd in the U.S. 


Medicine: 44th in the U.S.


Nursing (Undergraduate): 48th in the U.S.


Law: 58th in the U.S.
 

Education: 69th in the U.S. 


Business: 71st in the U.S.
 

Nursing (Graduate): 72nd in the U.S. 


Engineering: 80th in the U.S.
 


Music and Arts Programs


Opera/Voice: 3rd in the U.S.


Interior Design: 3rd in the U.S.


Musical Conducting: 5th in the U.S.


Music: 6th in the U.S. 
 
Industrial Design: 6th in the U.S. 


Music Composition: 9th in the U.S.  


Orchestra/Symphony:  9th in the U.S.  


Drama: 37th in the U.S.  


Master of Fine Arts: 45th in the U.S.


Creative Writing: 46th in the U.S.

 
 

Science and Engineering Programs
 


Paleontology:  6th in the U.S.


Environmental Engineering: 20th in the U.S. 


Aerospace Engineering: 31st in the U.S.  


Industrial Engineering: 37th in the U.S.  


Civil Engineering: 48th in the U.S.

Materials Engineering: 50th in the U.S.
 

Mechanical Engineering: 60th in the U.S. 
  
 

Medical and Human Service Programs
 


Criminal Justice:  3rd in the U.S.
 

Pediatrics:  3rd in the U.S.  


Nursing, Anesthesia:  11th in the U.S.         


Otolaryngology:  18th in the U.S.  


AIDS Center:  26th in the U.S.  


Neurology:  28th in the U.S.


Geriatrics:  29th in the U.S.  


Pulmonary Disease: 32nd in the U.S.


Cancer Center:  33rd in the U.S. 

Rheumatology:  35th in the U.S.


Speech and Language Pathology:   38th in the U.S.


Endocrinology:  39th in the U.S.  


Cardiology:   43rd in the U.S.  


Audiology:  44th in the U.S.


Media Markets: 

#34 Media market in the U.S.

Top 10 College Basketball viewership rating
Top 20 College Football viewership rating

Cincinnati metropolitan area has a population of 2,138,038, the 27th most populous Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) in the United States and largest in Ohio.

Athletics:

Top 25 Men's Basketball and Football programs.

Last year, for instance, UC ended the season with top 25 finishes in both football and basketball--a fact that only five other schools in the country can claim.

State-of-the-Art Athletic Facilities:

http://www.gobearcats.com/genrel/032906aaf.html

http://www.gobearcats.com/faci...e-facility.html




If anybody else has anything else they would like me to add to this list, please post it below.  Thanks!


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Posted: 11/20/2012 9:22 PM

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Great stuff!  I'm sure we're marketing all of that.

Still, UC is outgrowing its commuter school perception.  GREAT strides have been made on ALL fronts (academic, campus beauty recognition...and athletics and football in particular).  I know of 2 kids from high-end academic prep schools in my area who have chosen UC in the last 2-3 years (one in Architecture, the other CCM).

Trying to be objective, I think UC has one of the very biggest upsides of anyone out there.  A lot of room still to grow with a recent track record of tremendous positives on all fronts.  There's a lot to sell.  Gotta make sure the shoppers are listening.
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Posted: 11/20/2012 10:24 PM

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That is the biggest problem right now, no one is listening and have a few others ahead of UC.

This is far from done as I expected the Big Ten to take a few more before all is said and done and that will cause more changes across the country.  But I do not feel high about the future of the Big East as a football conference in the next four to five years if not sooner.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 12:12 AM

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DaveBerk wrote: That is the biggest problem right now, no one is listening and have a few others ahead of UC.


I agree Dave.  There is plenty of room to make up.  Can Ono get the likes of the ACC to listen?  It will be quite a feather in his cap if he can.

But, I agree, sounds like multiple shifting of the ACC is at hand.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 7:42 AM

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I can't believe there are that many schools in line ahead of UC. When the music stops we will have a chair. No way the Big XII stays at 10 with these developments. WVU is on an island and UC UofL are perfect geographic fits. If not, when all the BIG 4 go to 16 teams each I see 14 spots available. Even with what is left of the ACC, I got to think UC can squeak in somewhere. If the ACC survives, no doubt in my mind we land there at the least. The BigEast is dead, the fat lady is warming up!
I believe the possibility exists that the ACC may get very proactive and invite UConn, UC and UofL asap. They have shown a propensity to be proactive. If the Big XII adds UC and UofL first then the pool of available quality schools is significantly reduced. We can accept an invite and ala TCU back out if the Big XII comes a calling. In this "new normal" of academic greed and every man for himself this behavior abounds. I'll never listen to another academic talk about integrity again.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:09 AM

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I imagine USF and UC reached out to the ACC, but I think the ACC is talking to them because they will open the communication up now before more teams are poached.  

B10 talked to Rutgers and Maryland in the last round of realignment.  I think the same might be going one here as a vetting process when the B12 or B10 take a few more teams.

I think after another 2-4 or even 6 teams leave, they will be pretty responsive to UC and a few other BE teams.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:25 AM

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I imagine USF and UC reached out to the ACC, but I think the ACC is talking to them because they will open the communication up now before more teams are poached.  

B10 talked to Rutgers and Maryland in the last round of realignment.  I think the same might be going one here as a vetting process when the B12 or B10 take a few more teams.

I think after another 2-4 or even 6 teams leave, they will be pretty responsive to UC and a few other BE teams.

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I suggested a merge between these two conferences well before this bloodbath began. BB schools are on their own. Funny, always thought football schools would have been the ones to pull the trigger.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:35 AM

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Graeters Ice Cream.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:37 AM

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I think its pretty clear at this point that the previous president wasnt doing his due diligence on talking to other conferences to make sure we had a landing spot if the BE did indeed implode. It appears he chose to try to establish a leadership position in the BE rather than make sure the school had somewhere to go in this inevitible super conference realignment. The ACC and Big12(though i dont think this is a good fit) should have been pounded by UC propaganda for the last 3 years to make sure everyone is aware of the current UC. IMO if we dont end up with a big boy chair, it will be on Williams.

He should have been strictly dedicated to UC, not to any conference or trying to establish himself a power chair in the conference.

Also, add Skyline to the list.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:37 AM

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Regarding television market, when you factor in Greater Cincinnati you have to account for the Dayton DMA as well.  The census bureau has indciated they will combine the markets in the next couple years.   This will add over a million people to the tv market and put the DMA at #14 in the country.  Even if this does not transpire, they already receive many Cincinnati television stations in the Greater Miami Valley.   Hopefully this is something the powers to be are addressing with these conferences as we know how important tv sets are in the grand scheme of things.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:45 AM

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Good to read someone else finally got it, President Williams public statement that UC was 100% committed to the Big East was 100% fact and not something that he was just throwing out there while talking to other conferences.


eerodynamic wrote: I think its pretty clear at this point that the previous president wasnt doing his due diligence on talking to other conferences to make sure we had a landing spot if the BE did indeed implode. It appears he chose to try to establish a leadership position in the BE rather than make sure the school had somewhere to go in this inevitible super conference realignment. The ACC and Big12(though i dont think this is a good fit) should have been pounded by UC propaganda for the last 3 years to make sure everyone is aware of the current UC. IMO if we dont end up with a big boy chair, it will be on Williams.

He should have been strictly dedicated to UC, not to any conference or trying to establish himself a power chair in the conference.

Also, add Skyline to the list.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 8:48 AM

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eerodynamic wrote: I think its pretty clear at this point that the previous president wasnt doing his due diligence on talking to other conferences to make sure we had a landing spot if the BE did indeed implode. It appears he chose to try to establish a leadership position in the BE rather than make sure the school had somewhere to go in this inevitible super conference realignment. The ACC and Big12(though i dont think this is a good fit) should have been pounded by UC propaganda for the last 3 years to make sure everyone is aware of the current UC. IMO if we dont end up with a big boy chair, it will be on Williams.

He should have been strictly dedicated to UC, not to any conference or trying to establish himself a power chair in the conference.

Also, add Skyline to the list.
I have no insider info, but my guess is that Williams as a NYC guy who formerly headed City College in New York was infatuated about the idea of a "City League" type conference made up of universities in NYC, Philly, DC, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, Houston, Dallas, et al. 

The problem with that, as we all know, is that model doesn't work.  We had all these cities and others when we were in the original C-USA.  The A-10 has large cities as well.  People in those cities follow pro sports for the most part and casually follow their collegiate teams.   People that live outside of those cities flock towards the large land grant schools as they are identified as carrying the torch for the entire state, whereas the schools with a city name are perceived as only representing that particular city (ie. if years ago UC was named Ohio University or Ohio Institute of Technology [Ohio Tech] people in other corners of the state would see us in the same light as people do in other states that have 2 BCS teams, like Virginia and Virginia Tech).
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:18 AM

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Regarding television market, when you factor in Greater Cincinnati you have to account for the Dayton DMA as well.  The census bureau has indciated they will combine the markets in the next couple years.   This will add over a million people to the tv market and put the DMA at #14 in the country.  Even if this does not transpire, they already receive many Cincinnati television stations in the Greater Miami Valley.   Hopefully this is something the powers to be are addressing with these conferences as we know how important tv sets are in the grand scheme of things.

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Interesting. Dayton and Cincy are definitely growing together. Cincy can't expand south and there's nothing north of Dayton. Remember hearing 20 years ago that this was the future. I drive this corridor frequently and marvel at the pace of development.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:23 AM

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bearcatvol wrote: Graeters Ice Cream.
And 3-ways!  The ultimate double entendre.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:28 AM

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UCLemmiwinks wrote:
DaveBerk wrote: That is the biggest problem right now, no one is listening and have a few others ahead of UC.


I agree Dave.  There is plenty of room to make up.  Can Ono get the likes of the ACC to listen?  It will be quite a feather in his cap if he can.

But, I agree, sounds like multiple shifting of the ACC is at hand.
The problem with the ACC is that it may look entirely different than it does now when the dust settles and may be the "new" Big East, where everyone wants out.  Imagine if the Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 all poach the best out of the conference...that leaves what?
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:39 AM

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It is all about this: #34 Media market in the U.S.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:50 AM

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Yes it is, with a little weight given to your academic ranking and AAU ( or lack thereof) membership. Rutgers to the Big Ten = 8,000,000 TV sets and an AAU member. It certainly was not because of their great athletic tradition. Phil Silvers wrote and performed a song titled "Nobody ever died for Rutgers U."
TuxedoYoda wrote: It is all about this: #34 Media market in the U.S.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 9:56 AM

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I will agree that President Williams put too many of his eggs in the BE basket.  But UC did inquire into other conference possibilities.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 10:14 AM

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sluggur1 wrote: 
  Imagine if the Big 10, SEC, and Big 12 all poach the best out of the conference...that leaves what?

A very good question.
Don't know if this will happen fast, slow or not at all... OR in part.
 
Here is what I have read might happen to the ACC.
Ragpicker tipped me off on this, he got it from Ian Fitzsimmons from ESPN Radio.

The Big 10 is moving on UVA and Georgia Tech.
The SEC is moving on Virginia Tech and NC State
FSU and Clemson is waiting to hear from the Big 12.
Virginia Tech's AD confirmed this via twitter. (their portion of this)

If that all happens, what remains is- Boston College, Wake Forest, Duke, North Carolina, Miami and our "friends" Pitt and Syracuse. 
Throw in UConn, UC, UL and USF and you would have a pretty good football league, and a very nice basketball league without the anchor weight of the basketball only schools that the Big East has now.
Plus an agreement by Notre Dame to play 5 ACC teams a year on a rotating basis.

If it plays like this it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to happen.
With an Orange Bowl tie in and Big 5 status... it could be worse.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 10:42 AM

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CardinalX3 wrote: I will agree that President Williams put too many of his eggs in the BE basket.  But UC did inquire into other conference possibilities.
I heard that UC had a meeting last year with Big 12 folks, after Pitt and Cuse announced to the ACC.
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