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Luke Meyer

Posted: 2/15/2013 12:31 AM

Luke Meyer 


http://www.hoopskills.com/how-...-evaluated.html

http://www.recruitedforscholar...recruiting.html

http://mikepalma.wordpress.com...s-from-a-coach/

Okay, I'm going down to Addison to watch Luke Meyer tomorrow night.  I have been taking a crash course in what to look for when evaluating high school basketball players.  The links above are just a few examples of what I have been reading. 

If any of you have anything in particular you feel I should be looking for just let me know.  My big point of reference has to be Chris Kaman.  I remember Chris played guard before his big growth spurt and it showed when he finally made it to 7-0.  He had quick feet and good control of his body, could catch and dribble the ball with ease, could make quick spin moves and go up with either the right or left hand.  And he was a big time rebounder.  I still remember when he had 20+ rebounds in a game with Michigan which is almost unheard of.  Seven or eight rebounds in a game is pretty good.

I understand Luke has already made a verbal commitment to CMU and has had offers from a number of MAC schools.  He is only in the 11th grade.  If he continues to develop and play well I expect he will attract some interest from bigger programs in the future.  With the little I know about him so far I just hope we can hang on to him.

Last edited 2/15/2013 12:32 AM by midlandchip

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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:35 AM

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feet, hands, head.... how he moves, his touch on shots and his vison of the floor, how he sees the game. He describes himself as a 3 man who can post, very skilled. I am looking forward to your take on his game, I've seen him play and will more this spring/summer. Right now he is very committed, talked to him at the WMU game and joke about if he could graduate early. Proud to be a Chippewa
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:42 AM

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Midland...you da man!! The info. on Kaman was nice to hear again. He was a skilled guy who spurted to 7 feet. I believe Dennis Rodman grew 8 inches in JUCO!! Meyer is #10 in his class per Steve Bell. He'll probably play AAU again this summer...he'll have a national audience and he's 6-10!!  We got to hold on till November!! Got to get a big in the Spring too!!                          SHALOM
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Posted: 2/15/2013 8:10 AM

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First thing you might want to look at is to see if he is really 6'10".  Word I had from people who saw him at Big Man Camp is he's more like 6'8" and lacks post up skills. Lacks explosion, i.e. slow. I know Hawkins didn't have a lot of interest in his game. 

Right now Dehron Scott from GR Christian is probably the best MAC prospect in the state.  Long, athletic, quick, has post up skills.  When Drake Harris heads to MSU next year Scott's game could blow up to a high major.  He's looked impressive at AAU when Harris was absent.  

Jaleel Hogan is right in your own backyard (an Oiler I believe).  Like Meyer I think they list him bigger than he is (listed at 6'6"), but he's a banger with a big body.  There's a kid at Comstock Park (name escapes me) with excellent footwork and  post up skill, and a real motor for rebounds.  Listed at 6'8", but his highlight video looks more like 6'6" PF material.

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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:43 PM

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CMU is recruiting Scott from GR Christian.  He's reportedly been up to campus already.

FIRE UP CHIPS! biggrin
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Posted: 2/16/2013 1:28 AM

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Saw young, 16 years old Mr. Luke Meyer in Addison's game v. Vandercook Lake. The game went into over-time, he played all but 2 minutes and never seemed to tire. His team played man, so he had to chase smaller guys all night. Plus he had to work his way against a 2-3 zone. That might explain why he didn't post up a lot. Cut his hand in mid first-half, out for a minute. When he came out for 2nd half, the bandage/wrap was gone. In warm ups saw him dribble behind his back, between his legs against one of his team-mates and never looked at the ball. He seems more comfortable on the perimeter; he's mighty lean. He's 16 years old. Does not look for contact, prefers to shoot from distance. I think he's a 4; but that's just me. On one sequence he got the ball at the time line, in space and dribbled to the paint with folk trying to check him and finished above the rim. Never made one bad pass all game!! Every pass was crisp, hit the cutters perfectly (Addison missed at least 5 bunnies!!) as well as the open  man and every pass ended up with his man getting it in a position where the d. couldn't intercept it. Always played within himself. Never tried to do too much. Never went over the top for a rebound, but rather tried to tip it to a team-mate if he couldn't get it. For the first three quarters he only had 2 fouls!!  A little susceptible to ball fakes, but usually tried to block from the side, thus avoiding the foul. Good rebounder, but the other team was short. Not a great athlete granted, but is athletic. As he gets stronger his athleticism should pick up a bit. He is not a lights out shooter, but he has a good looking shot. He's only 16 years old. As his shot improves he could be a playa for us. He has a good skill set that should improve with hard work. Has a calm, a swag that I like.     SHALOM

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Posted: 2/16/2013 5:18 PM

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Thank you, etmingo for the summary! I never "get down" on a tall HS player! Their potential is always there. Tall HS players often develop later (and more slowly) than small players. Often, the wait is very beneficial!
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Posted: 2/16/2013 11:56 PM

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Etbmingo, too bad we couldn't connect last night in Addison.  But then it was probably better that we did not connect so we could get two independent looks at Meyer.

I'm pleased to say we saw many of the same things.  Nevertheless, I think I can add a little to what you have already said.  This is going to be long folks and if some of you can't stay with it to the end I understand.  

First of all, I sat next to one of teachers at Addison and had a nice conversation with him, mostly during the 4th quarter. Being the social kind of guy that I am it means I missed a lot of that part of the game.  This fellow said Luke is a great young man, comes from a good family and is a good student.  He will most likely graduate in the top 10% of his class next year.  Sounds like we got a good one.  His wife, also a teacher, said Luke's mother is about 6-3 and played basketball.  She went to Univ of Toledo which surprised me.  I know Toledo has shown interest in Luke and if his mother went there I just jumped to the conclusion that program would have had an advantage over us.  Now on to Luke as a basketball player. 

He is skinny.  He is going to come up against big men in the MAC who are not only as tall as he is but bigger and I think stronger.  At his current weight he is going to really get pushed around unless he is able to spend a lot of time in the weight room building up his body.  He is also very flexible.  I watched him sit on the floor with his legs straight out and reach down and grab the bottoms of both feet with both hands.  Hell, I have trouble bending over and touching my knees so I was impressed.

He played the low post almost all night and he showed very few low post skills.  His coach has him planted down low, on one side or the other of the paint, very close to the basket.  His teammates lob in high passes to him.  Despite the fact that he was double or triple teamed he simply turned, jumped a little and dunked the ball with two hands.  Once he caught the ball there was little his defenders could do to stop him.  He never came out from under the basket to post up five or six feet away.  I never saw him take any little turn around mid-range jumpers or make spin moves around his defender before going up with the ball.  He does not appear to have a hook shot and I never saw him use his left hand.  I also never saw him slide under the basket with the ball and try a reverse dunk or lay up.  I don't know if he just doesn't have those moves in his game or if it is just a case of playing the way the coach wants him to play.  I think our coaching staff is going to end up spending long hours with this guy teaching him skills that will work for us.

Another part of Addison's offense is for Luke to pass to cutters coming down the lane when two or three defenders are on him.  He always looked for those cutters and made the pass several times.  However, I did not see him look for an outlet pass to an open shooter outside.  Again, I think it is what he is being taught to do.
  
Finally, when he is not planted under the basket he moves out to the three point line, usually on the side and not the top of the key, looking for a shot.  He hit a couple of those but also air balled another and missed a couple others.  I never saw him try to fake a defender and dribble around him from the three point line to attempt a little mid-range jumper.  When he was outside, if he was covered, I did see him look for an open man at the top of the key or cross court.  He was able to make those passes without a problem.

During warm ups I watched him hit eight of nine three point shots in a row.  When shooting from long range during warmups, and there is no pressure on him, he puts a nice rotation on the ball and the shot has a nice high arc to it .  I also liked seeing him finish with the arm up and the hand bent down at the wrist.  I have just associated that with a shooter's touch.  The problem he has with his long range and especially mid-range shooting is when he is under pressure during the game the shot loses that arc and becomes flat and hard.  When he shoots like that he usually misses.

He catches the ball well especially when the passes are up in the air.  He often catches with one hand then brings the ball down.  Another thing I liked is he does not put the ball on the floor before doing something with it.  A lot of big guys do that and they get tied up or they lose the ball.  And like a lot of tall players, he has some trouble with a low pass.  I saw him fumble a couple that were at his knees.  

I agree with Etbmingo about taking a fake.  He can get faked off his feet easily.  This spells trouble from the standpoint of fouls.  If a player dribbles in, stops and fakes a shot Luke will go up for the block.  All the offensive player has to do is go up with the ball, leaning in a little while Luke is coming down and you have a foul.  If this works out as I think it could, Luke is going to have foul problems for a while.  Again, our coaches are going to have to work with him on this.

Some have said Luke is slow.  I disagree.  He may not be the quickest player I have seen but he is not slow.  He has a long gait or stride when running and walking.  He covers a lot of ground with one step.  When he is running his feet are not moving a lot because of those long strides so perhaps it looks to some like he is slow but his body is moving fast. I watched him on one fast break when a long rebound came out to a guard.  The Addison team broke for the other end of the floor with Luke running along the right sideline.  He started behind the guard but passed him, took a pass between the half court line and the top of the key and in a couple steps, with a dribble or two of course, he went up with two hands for a thunder dunk.  That whole thing was fast, fast and fast.  I don't want to hear that he is slow.  I can see why he said he likes a run and gun style of play.  

Again I agree with Etbmingo about his walk.  When he was walking around the gym before the game he showed me a cocky, confident swagger that I liked.  It's just a little bit like - I'm the big man on campus and I know it.  I like that at this stage but it will get wittled down when he is playing in college.

Okay, now what about defense.  That was a tough one for me.  At times I couldn't figure out what Addison was doing on defense.  It looked like a 2-3 zone with Luke in the middle, down low under the basket.  The problem is when a man came into Luke's area he picked him up and stayed with him until he moved out of his area.  The other defenders did the same thing.  That looked like a matchup zone which confused me.  I always thought a matchup zone was difficult to teach and was not expecting to see it in high school. There were even a couple of times when I thought they were playing man defense.  And for me a matchup zone can look like a man defense at times.  So with what looked like a 2-3 zone but with defenders moving all over the place I wasn't sure what was going on at times.  Anyway, let's say they were in a 2-3 zone.

Luke's job in this case was to block or alter shots that were taken or attempted in close and to pull down rebounds.  He did both pretty well.  But you have to remember he towered above just about everyone.  Blocking shots in close was not too difficult.  Most of the time he didn't even have to jump to do it.  He just needed to stretch out his body, raise his arm and maybe get up on his toes and he had a block.  But there is still timing and coordination involved in that move and he did it well. 

He pretty much controlled the defensive and offensive boards.  But once again, he didn't jump much.  He didn't have to.  When he reached up and made a little hop he was well above everyone else.  That is not going to happen in college.  He is going to have to get off the floor and up in the air.  Once he took down the defensive rebound he was immediately looking to make an outlet pass and he handled that well also. 

So after all that what do I think?  Well, I think he is in for a big surprise when he moves from Class C basketball to Division 1 ball.  I think he can really help us but will not be making a big impact right away.  It would probably be tough to red-shirt a guy that tall but if it could be done I think Luke would benefit from a red-shirt.  He needs a year to build up his body and work with our coaches developing the skills he will need to be effective in the MAC.  But I suspect he will be thrown into the fire right away.  There is little doubt in my mind he is worth a scholarship.  In time I think he can become a good player for us.  And although he might think he is a 4 I suspect he will be spending a lot of time in the low post.  Finally, I am just wary of recruiting players from Class C.  That's the only thing keeping me from buying in on Luke in a big way.  The competition at this level is not strong.  I worry about that.  But when I start worrying too much I remind myself that Chris Kaman came from a Class D high school and we gave him the only offer he received.  You just never know.
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:36 AM

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My brother, my brother, my brother; glad you were there. I knew you were going, I just wanted to be alone and focus on Luke. I pretty much agree with everything you posted. A fan told me about his mom, but did not mention that she's 6-3". Midland, she's his first coach; not bad. The info. you have on him as a person is absolutely stunning. I noted his flexibility in the warm-ups too; just didn't want to post a tomebiggrin. I settled for a semi-tome. He's gonna have 18 months to put on some weight before he comes to campus. Also, he'll play AAU ball this summer. He'll find better comp. there, but precious little defense more than likely. I feel we should have some f.court guys like Milos and Simons which will allow Luke to play short minutes as a frosh. Plus given that he's been raised by a b.ball mom who's coached him from day one and he's a strong student I anticipate him reacting well to our staff. Luv your take on his athleticism!! Just a great tome, I mean post.biggrin I predict that when he arrives on campus, he will NOT be the player we saw in Addison; but an improved player coming to a place where he will improve the more. Went to see A.J.Turner today...we've offered; he got game.                SHALOM
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Posted: 2/17/2013 10:21 AM

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MC and mingo, thanks for your posts. I appreciate your time and your knowledge. MC, I think mingo is right on with his last post, this kid has 18 months to work on things, especially his weight. If he comes to CMU with big enough body he will be a plus for that reason alone. It will be up to the coaching staff to teach him the skills he will need to help the team from game to game. If he is as smart as you report (no reason to think otherwise) he will be able to learn. Overall I will add this, there are two things in sports you can't teach, SIZE and SPEED. Either one is a great asset, having both is a deadly asset. I look forward to seeing this young man in Maroon and Gold.



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Posted: 2/17/2013 11:35 AM

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I'd just as soon he wait until he gets to CMU to blossom . I don't want other schools to start lurking around .  My 5 month old grandson has a 6-3 Dad and a 6-2 Mom. He's in the top 95% for height in his age group right now. Garth and Mingo , I'll let you know when you can come checkout his game.tongue
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Posted: 2/17/2013 12:29 PM

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OTC, make sure the only colors your grandson knows are Maroon and Gold, and you teach him everything a ou CMU and he mever watches any sports that don't feature a CMU team.



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Posted: 2/18/2013 3:05 PM

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His Mom is a notre dame fan , so its going to be a battle ... but I'm up to the task.
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