Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

Well, Enos does get a whopping $5000 bonus for recruiting a lot of Michigan guys.  Although I can't imagine that would be his motive...................

DETCHIPFAN wrote: Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

While the lack of Florida kids does raise the eyebrows, I don't read too much into it in determining success or failure. Enos has stated repeatedly that kids know CMU from the state and within the Midwest so those are the kids they target. They build solid relationships with these kids and stick it out.

I think the guy's point is that ultimately Enos's job is to win more than 4 games a year, not to educate as many northern lower kids as he can.

WMUfan55 wrote: I think the guy's point is that ultimately Enos's job is to win more than 4 games a year, not to educate as many northern lower kids as he can.

Was Cubit's job to win more than 4 games a year, or to show as many Florida kids as possible what snow looks like?

First off, welcome to the board!  In your very first post you've managed to pick a topic that is oft argued about in here.  

WMU put a big emphasis on Florida during the same time CMU was running things in the MAC and it didn't work out well for them.  I think it's about the evaluation process and also coaching up the talent.

I have been impressed with the recruiting classes under the Enos regime without snagging many guys from the South.  It will be very interesting to see how things go this year with "his guys" in and how the QB development goes.

Does anyone know if Enos and co. left any scholarships for a last minute offer?  Sometimes you see a random Florida, Texas or California commit in the 11th hour.

WMUfan55 wrote: I think the guy's point is that ultimately Enos's job is to win more than 4 games a year, not to educate as many northern lower kids as he can.

If Dan Enos had the same results he had last season for the WMU Broncos, he would be one of the best coaches in your school's history...

Very interesting assessment.  It appears Enos has recruited less, and less players from the South over the last 3 seasons.  Not sure if that is based on philosophy or lack of recruiting budget.  We're not Alabama who has $900K for just the recruiting budget (talk about level playing field).  

2013
0 recruits from the south

2012
1 recruit from the south (D. Harris - didn't work out well for the young man)

2011
4 recruits from the south (Flory)

STVChip wrote: Very interesting assessment.  It appears Enos has recruited less, and less players from the South over the last 3 seasons.  Not sure if that is based on philosophy or lack of recruiting budget.  We're not Alabama who has $900K for just the recruiting budget (talk about level playing field).  

2013
0 recruits from the south

2012
1 recruit from the south (D. Harris - didn't work out well for the young man)

2011
4 recruits from the south (Flory)

STV has the recruiting budget changed under Enos?  Kelly and Jones managed to do it.

I'd like to see a wider net cast in our recruiting efforts, if for no other reason than the bigger your search area is, the better your options are.

Also, while I hope this doesn't drag our friend BallerC out of hiding, football players from the south do tend to have an extra gear that can't be taught or developed.

That being said I don't give a crap about what zip code a kid is from as long as they can play.

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Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

WarHawks wrote:

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--- DETCHIPFAN wrote:

Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

Thanks WarHawks.  My next question has to do with the underlined sentence.  Why would Enos do that?  Seems like CMU was on the right track.

DETCHIPFAN wrote:

WarHawks wrote:

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--- DETCHIPFAN wrote:

Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

Thanks WarHawks.  My next question has to do with the underlined sentence.  Why would Enos do that?  Seems like CMU was on the right track.

Oh man you just opened up a can of worms....

eich41 wrote:

DETCHIPFAN wrote:

WarHawks wrote:

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--- DETCHIPFAN wrote:

Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

Thanks WarHawks.  My next question has to do with the underlined sentence.  Why would Enos do that?  Seems like CMU was on the right track.

Oh man you just opened up a can of worms....

Sorry. Did I say something wrong?  It just seems like a logical question

WarHawks wrote:


Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

I'd say between Gary Jones, Corey Willis and Mark Chapman alone we've addressed some of our speed issues. Not to say we couldn't always use more speed, but...

This class has two DE and both have the size to play immediately.  they are both over 250 and will get bigger.  Enos is high on both of these guys.

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eich41 wrote:

DETCHIPFAN wrote:

WarHawks wrote:

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--- DETCHIPFAN wrote:

Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

Thanks WarHawks.  My next question has to do with the underlined sentence.  Why would Enos do that?  Seems like CMU was on the right track.

Oh man you just opened up a can of worms....

Sorry. Did I say something wrong?  It just seems like a logical question

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Is that you, belmont?

DETCHIPFAN wrote:

WarHawks wrote:

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--- DETCHIPFAN wrote:

Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

Thanks WarHawks.  My next question has to do with the underlined sentence.  Why would Enos do that?  Seems like CMU was on the right track.

Because Enos is a pro-style guy. Sure he may know some elements of the spread, but what he knows is the pro-style. And if you want the best possible results under Enos, he has to run what he knows well.

Chippitt wrote:

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eich41 wrote:

DETCHIPFAN wrote:

WarHawks wrote:

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--- DETCHIPFAN wrote:

Good afternoon all.  I am new to this board so please be gentle LOL.  I have been living out of state and recently returned.

I have a question regarding recruiting.  As I recall Brian Kelly and Butch Jones recruited heavy in the South which resulted in MAC Championships and ultimately a Top 25 Ranking.

In this years recruiting class CMU has no recruits from the South at all.  Mostly Michigan players and the rest from NW Indiana and Chicago.  All other Division I schools in Michigan recruited several players from the South.

Is there any reason for this?  The South is such a talent laden area.  Also as I recall CMU was woefully lacking at DE yet there is only one DE in this class.

I don't get it.

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In speaking with some personnel in the athletic department, the story I've been told is the philosophy now under Enos is to use his local (Midwest) connections and recruit primarily from the Midwest states.
Also, I've been told that recruits from the area tend to stick it out more than recruits from the South, Florida, Texas, or Western states such as California because they don't get as homesick and/or have a closer support system if they are within driving distance from home. (Not sure if I buy that, it's just what I was told...)

Plus, in moving from the "spread" offense to Eno's "Big Ten" offense (for lack of a better word to describe Eno's offense), we've seen a departure of getting smaller, quick recruits that you usually find in the more southern states at times. We've gone to more of a "power" type game with larger, not as quick players.

But, that's just an opinion as to what has changed and why the emphasis on players from the South has changed.
I suppose at the next football event for supporters and fans, the question can be posed to Enos and staff and get their thoughts on it straight from them.

Thanks WarHawks.  My next question has to do with the underlined sentence.  Why would Enos do that?  Seems like CMU was on the right track.

Oh man you just opened up a can of worms....

Sorry. Did I say something wrong?  It just seems like a logical question

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Is that you, belmont?

Belmont College?

posts seem to have a ring of one our long lost pot stirrers! for the record I do think that occasionaly one can find a guy or two with some legit speed and quickness up here in the North.