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- pricee
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:24 PM
Next years QB
First off I would like to congratulate the entire program on a nice win in the bowl game. I was in Minnesota and watched every play with pride. That being said I watched Texas AM last night and it was the first time I saw this Johnny Football play - I was stunned at the kind of player he was. I sure hope that whoever replaces RR has the go ahead to run. It simply adds the missing dimension RR could provide. We were there with Dan L. and we need to get back to it. It is what football is moving towards even at the next level (Wilson, RG3 & Newton). With the pressure that teams can put on the QB our QB needs to be able to run. We seem to always field a good O/L which is essential - spread the defense out and attack with both the pass and the run from our QB (compliment it with a great back like Tipton). I am still not sure about the plays every 15 seconds or so but I am sold on a QB that can both run and pass.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:48 PM
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"spread the defense" SPREAD?! Slowly I turned. Step by step.... (for you oldtimers).
WMU = Ship of Fools
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:49 PM
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I was actually wondering how a freshman first year starter could play qb? I've been told it takes 3 years to learn how to play the position in college.  WMU = Ship of Fools
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- pricee
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Posted: 1/5/2013 1:54 PM
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Sure didn't look that last night. When I say spread the defense I guess we do not have to run a true spread offense but at least make the defense cover the entire field. Not so many tight formations - I think this would help Tipton as well. I still say we look too much like MSU.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:06 PM
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Lucky for us Kater and Niznak are dual threat guys (to a degree). Kater had very good numbers his one year at Juco and Niznak had 5 total TDs in his high school title game (i believe they were all rushing, but not sure). The wild card is Cooper Rush. From what I hear this kid has a world of talent and could be the starter next year as a freshman. He was productive in high school, destroyed in the high school all star game, and was scout team player of the year as a red shirt.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 2:24 PM
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madnessports wrote: Lucky for us Kater and Niznak are dual threat guys (to a degree). Kater had very good numbers his one year at Juco and Niznak had 5 total TDs in his high school title game (i believe they were all rushing, but not sure). The wild card is Cooper Rush. From what I hear this kid has a world of talent and could be the starter next year as a freshman. He was productive in high school, destroyed in the high school all star game, and was scout team player of the year as a red shirt. I'll take any one of them over Mr. One Dimension, Mr. Inconsistent, Mr. Panic, Mr. 13-24. WMU = Ship of Fools
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Posted: 1/5/2013 3:47 PM
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Pricee...I completely agree. Unfortunately the moment Enos got hired you could forget about the QB doing any running, even if they are capable. We are in the MSU pro style offense now. Why he recruits dual threat QB''s is beyond me.
Please tell me I'm wrong.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 4:36 PM
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A freshman that has that mind of talent could start anywhere, he is not your average two star QB. I think whoever plays QB next year will have the green light to run & will even have plays designed to do so.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:43 PM
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I think we will see the run from the QB much more in the future. Not sure about Cooper but all the other QB's will be much more likely to run than RR was. RR was just a trainwreck when he tried to scramble, let alone try a designed run.
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Posted: 1/5/2013 5:45 PM
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chez29 wrote: I think we will see the run from the QB much more in the future. Not sure about Cooper but all the other QB's will be much more likely to run than RR was. RR was just a trainwreck when he tried to scramble, let alone try a designed run. This. You'll notice Kater did make an effort to run against Navy in garbage time. |
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- MPChip
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Posted: 1/5/2013 11:16 PM
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Those of us who have followed CMU football for a long time know that the trio of Kater, Niznak and Rush have the highest QB recruiting ratings we have ever had at Central Michigan! Yes, they were all rated higher than Dan LeFevour and Brian Brunner.
When you look at the high school tapes of Kater, Niznak and Rush, you see that they all operated out of the spread offense. Their high school coaches knew that they performed best out of the shotgun which allows you to create in space, similar to what Johnny Manziel was doing for Texas A&M.
CMU should be able to win at least 8 games in 2013 with this group of QBs, if we can revert back to the shotgun for our starting point. I think the two runners, Kater and Niznak would have the advantage over Rush and we would see their true talent come to fruition.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 9:11 AM
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I have heard from a former QB, that both the MSU and CMU offensive schemes are very complicated. Many QB's in both the pros and college have the physical tools to be great, but not all have the ability between the ears. It is interesting that the pros have started to have some success with more of a running QB approach. Wilson, Newton and RGIII had pretty good years. They don't run as much as they did in college, but the threat plus a more spread approach seems to be working. Brady is not a runner, but the NE offensive is primarily a throw first offense which makes the run work. It will be interesting to watch Chip Kelly as he comes into the pros and see how he changes his offense.
The MSU O was pretty boring during the season and their bowl game was terrible. Do they have a QB to run that offense? It will be interesting to watch the CMU offense take shape. Do we have the QB to run the Enos system? The three QB's seem to have the physical skills. Do they have the right football mind set to run the Enos system? Time will tell.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 9:28 AM
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I have heard the same about Enos' offense being a very complicated one to learn. that said the three QBs that have been with this team now for at least a year should have a pretty good idea of what is expected by the time the first game rolls around. As for the running ability I would guess that Kater and Niznak have the bet running ability, however Rush had a very good sense of his pocket broke down in HS and was pretty good at gaining yards when he did take off. In a Free Press article a couple of days ago MSU has said that they will be implementing some designed running plays for next year. I think it is imperative that any offense now a days has to incorporate some QB runs to keep the defenses honest.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 11:50 AM
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This past season CMU finally got its running game going and next year it should also be good. That's why I don't think CMU will be using a lot of QB running plays. The starting QB next season should be the best at reading defenses and throwing accurately ... not runnng. I think that's Rush. And the fact that he still can be affective at running if necessary makes him the top candidate. Spring practice should give us a hint on how the competition is going. |
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Posted: 1/6/2013 12:18 PM
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oldtimerchip wrote:This past season CMU finally got its running game going and next year it should also be good. That's why I don't think CMU will be using a lot of QB running plays. The starting QB next season should be the best at reading defenses and throwing accurately ... not runnng. I think that's Rush. And the fact that he still can be affective at running if necessary makes him the top candidate. Spring practice should give us a hint on how the competition is going. OTC, didn't you see Rush in high school? I thought I recall you saying you were from the Lansing area. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the kid. The only game I've seen was from the state championship in 2010. He was impressive with arm strength and accuracy, and was surprisingly nimble. |
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- pricee
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Posted: 1/6/2013 12:38 PM
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We always seem to have a good offensive line - if executed properly there is not that many people to block for the QB run to be successful.
He has to elude in most cases 1 defensive player before some good yardage is available. Texas AM exploited that throughout the game with Manziel.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 1:27 PM
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The QB does not have to be Johnny football. Just like a Kirk Cousins. Nimble enough to get away from pressure and extend plays. We are going to be a running team, but if we can have a QB who stays up right and helps out our O-Line we will be dangerous offensively.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 1:35 PM
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Couldn't agree more. Manziel is a talent all by himself but our QB can become a very dangerous weapon if we choose to utilize him correctly. All 3 QB's are so called even in talent - I am not wishing anyone get injured but we should be able to with stand one with the next one in philosophy if one gets dinged up running the ball if that is what Coach Enos is concerned about. We need to add another dimension to our offense.
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Posted: 1/6/2013 4:14 PM
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ChipLover wrote:
oldtimerchip wrote:This past season CMU finally got its running game going and next year it should also be good. That's why I don't think CMU will be using a lot of QB running plays. The starting QB next season should be the best at reading defenses and throwing accurately ... not runnng. I think that's Rush. And the fact that he still can be affective at running if necessary makes him the top candidate. Spring practice should give us a hint on how the competition is going. OTC, didn't you see Rush in high school? I thought I recall you saying you were from the Lansing area. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the kid. The only game I've seen was from the state championship in 2010. He was impressive with arm strength and accuracy, and was surprisingly nimble. I saw Rush enough to know he is a very accurate passer. Great touch . He played out of the shotgun , but so does CMU alot. He also has had a year to practice taking direct snaps from the center. The question I have is whether he can master the mental aspects of being a D-1 QB. That's alot more involved than high school. Part of the reason I'm anticipating Rush moving to the top is the fact I have reservations about both Niznak and Kater. You see , they both have K's in their names.  Actually I don't like Niznak's throwing motion and Kater looked lost in the Spring game and when he played in the Navy game. And , neither could unseat Radcliff . That , to me , means that if one of them is the QB next season then the QB position is taking a step backwards next year. Its mostly a hunch , but the stars seem aligned for Rush to get the job next season. |
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Posted: 1/6/2013 6:57 PM
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Well I feel confident Rush will be the starter. I say that based upon the fact that he was the Scout Team Player of the Year. Plus, there were an awful lot of whispers that the reason Kater and Niznak weren't getting playing time was because Rush was more likely to be the starter next year and we weren't gonna waste his redshirt season.
That said the QB battle should be fun between now and August. I think it's the No. 1 thing to watch in spring ball.
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