eich41 wrote: It's an interesting hire for sure. Certainly some things that would lead one to believe he'll be successful (Former MAC player, NFL coaching experience, young guy with a lot of energy, etc.). Also some things that are question marks (relatively little coaching experience, no head coach or coordinator experience, unsure about the number of recruiting connections, etc.). It will be interesting to see what his staff looks like.

Lots of unknowns here, but I don't see a Bill Cubit situation forming here one way or the other. IMO Fleck is either going to be a great coach who quickly moves up, or is a disaster who is quickly fired. Time will tell...

CMUprof wrote:

eich41 wrote: It's an interesting hire for sure. Certainly some things that would lead one to believe he'll be successful (Former MAC player, NFL coaching experience, young guy with a lot of energy, etc.). Also some things that are question marks (relatively little coaching experience, no head coach or coordinator experience, unsure about the number of recruiting connections, etc.). It will be interesting to see what his staff looks like.

Lots of unknowns here, but I don't see a Bill Cubit situation forming here one way or the other. IMO Fleck is either going to be a great coach who quickly moves up, or is a disaster who is quickly fired. Time will tell...

He's their Dan Enos, former recruiting coordinator with experience as a position coach.

From the Tampa Bay Blog site--NOT a glowing endorsement 

Fleck has done an admirable job with the Bucs' receiving corps this season, coaching veteran receiver Vincent Jackson to the best season of his career. Jackson leads the league in yards per reception. Mike Williams has been productive as well, after a sophomore slump in 2011. Fleck has failed to develop adequate depth, however, asTiquan Underwood has been the team's slot receiver throughout the season. Underwood has been inconsistent and appears to run the wrong route with some regularity.

Fleck is one of the most energetic coaches on the staff, and the one guy who stood out to every training camp observer this summer. It's not clear when Fleck will leave for his new job, although given the fact that the Bucs are all but eliminated from the playoffs, leaving now won't do too much harm. The Bucs now have at least one vacancy to fill, and they may have to fill a few more if they decide to make some changes which may be likely on defense.

a10koaksfed wrote: Amazing how WMU athletic director was able to hire a new coach before mid January.  I didn't know you could do that. 

Ochip wrote:

From the Tampa Bay Blog site--NOT a glowing endorsement 

Fleck has done an admirable job with the Bucs' receiving corps this season, coaching veteran receiver Vincent Jackson to the best season of his career. Jackson leads the league in yards per reception. Mike Williams has been productive as well, after a sophomore slump in 2011. Fleck has failed to develop adequate depth, however, asTiquan Underwood has been the team's slot receiver throughout the season. Underwood has been inconsistent and appears to run the wrong route with some regularity.

Fleck is one of the most energetic coaches on the staff, and the one guy who stood out to every training camp observer this summer. It's not clear when Fleck will leave for his new job, although given the fact that the Bucs are all but eliminated from the playoffs, leaving now won't do too much harm. The Bucs now have at least one vacancy to fill, and they may have to fill a few more if they decide to make some changes which may be likely on defense.

eich41 wrote:

Ochip wrote:

From the Tampa Bay Blog site--NOT a glowing endorsement 

Fleck has done an admirable job with the Bucs' receiving corps this season, coaching veteran receiver Vincent Jackson to the best season of his career. Jackson leads the league in yards per reception. Mike Williams has been productive as well, after a sophomore slump in 2011. Fleck has failed to develop adequate depth, however, asTiquan Underwood has been the team's slot receiver throughout the season. Underwood has been inconsistent and appears to run the wrong route with some regularity.

Fleck is one of the most energetic coaches on the staff, and the one guy who stood out to every training camp observer this summer. It's not clear when Fleck will leave for his new job, although given the fact that the Bucs are all but eliminated from the playoffs, leaving now won't do too much harm. The Bucs now have at least one vacancy to fill, and they may have to fill a few more if they decide to make some changes which may be likely on defense.

I don't take much from this.  In the NFL there isn't a whole lot of development happening.  At that point in a football player's career, he either gets/has it or he doesn't.  Sure there is some coaching and development, but ultimately they can only work with what they're given by the GM.  The truth of the matter is, I don't think deserves much credit for Jackson's career year just as I don't think he deserves much blame for lack of depth at WR. 

This is a boom or bust hire, but given that they were stuck with Mediocre Bill for the last 7 years, that is probably a good thing.

WarHawks wrote: What's with MAC programs hiring coaches to run their FBS programs who have NEVER run the whole show in a football program?

Do the successful head coaches on the FCS or other divisions just not want to move up to the FBS level? Or is there some bias against them with the university's AD because they aren't at the "highest level" of college football? I realize the MAC level schools don't have as much money as the other conferences, but I would think that the MAC could improve an FCS coach's salary?

I never understand the thinking that a program with an opening has to hire an assistant from a BC$ program or from the NFL.

Our hire of Brian Kelly from GVSU worked out pretty good for us... I guess I just don't get why these university's don't get that the experience one gets running an entire program is invaluable and makes the transition so much easier for a college program, IMHO.

WarHawks wrote:  What's with MAC programs hiring coaches to run their FBS programs who have NEVER run the whole show in a football program?

I never understand the thinking that a program with an opening has to hire an assistant from a BC$ program.

ChipLover wrote:  Mediocre Bill...I like it.

Bill Cubit has won 57% of his games in the MAC.
Dan Enos has won 33% of his games in the MAC.

eich41 wrote:

Ochip wrote:

From the Tampa Bay Blog site--NOT a glowing endorsement 

Fleck has done an admirable job with the Bucs' receiving corps this season, coaching veteran receiver Vincent Jackson to the best season of his career. Jackson leads the league in yards per reception. Mike Williams has been productive as well, after a sophomore slump in 2011. Fleck has failed to develop adequate depth, however, asTiquan Underwood has been the team's slot receiver throughout the season. Underwood has been inconsistent and appears to run the wrong route with some regularity.

Fleck is one of the most energetic coaches on the staff, and the one guy who stood out to every training camp observer this summer. It's not clear when Fleck will leave for his new job, although given the fact that the Bucs are all but eliminated from the playoffs, leaving now won't do too much harm. The Bucs now have at least one vacancy to fill, and they may have to fill a few more if they decide to make some changes which may be likely on defense.

I don't take much from this.  In the NFL there isn't a whole lot of development happening.  At that point in a football player's career, he either gets/has it or he doesn't.  Sure there is some coaching and development, but ultimately they can only work with what they're given by the GM.  The truth of the matter is, I don't think deserves much credit for Jackson's career year just as I don't think he deserves much blame for lack of depth at WR. 

This is a boom or bust hire, but given that they were stuck with Mediocre Bill for the last 7 years, that is probably a good thing.

CMUprof wrote:
He's their Dan Enos,