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chipchi wrote: Here is my take on 2012: http://thechipreport.com/2012/...ssing-progress/I apologize to those that this evaluation might offend but you have to have high expectations...
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6ForTheChips wrote: Ball St. had vastly improved last season under Lembo and it was pretty clear they were a better team than us, but at the beginning of the year most didn't think they would be the 2nd best team in the West.
Posted: 11/19/2012 4:55 PM
chez29 wrote: Dont even get me started on that 2009 team with 10 regular season wins with only 2 wins against teams with winning records. At least the MAC championship game and Bowl game victories came against teams with winning records so we'll let that slide.
Posted: 11/19/2012 5:24 PM
FreeRein27 wrote: chez29 wrote: Dont even get me started on that 2009 team with 10 regular season wins with only 2 wins against teams with winning records. At least the MAC championship game and Bowl game victories came against teams with winning records so we'll let that slide. Wow, that's really good of you to "let that slide". We only went 12-2, completely dominated the MAC, and earned a top 25 ranking that season. And we did beat four teams with winning records, but recall that State would have also had a winning record had we not beaten them. It's hard to remember since it's been a while, but that's what happens when you hang a loss on a 6-win team - you prevent them from having a winning record.
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MktTimerChip wrote: 6ForTheChips wrote: Ball St. had vastly improved last season under Lembo and it was pretty clear they were a better team than us, but at the beginning of the year most didn't think they would be the 2nd best team in the West. I think what we want to know is why haven't we seen this type of progress under our third year coach, given that Lembo took over a bad situation at BSU and has much more progress to report in year #2 than we have seen in Enos year #3. Or historical MAC dreg Kent has seen in year #2 under their new guy. NIU and Toledo were able to sustain under their new guys; why did we not sustain, at some level instead of a total collapse. Our guy chose a different path, his path, and there are consequences in life for making choices.
Posted: 11/19/2012 6:06 PM
a10koaksfed wrote: Play nice ROW.
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arrows80 wrote: ------------------------------------------------ row40fan wrote:a10koaksfed wrote: Play nice ROW. Sorry 10...I just get tired of this guy's drizzle...my guy, my guy, my guy...HIS GUY SUCKS....!!---------------------------------------------Don't worry, plenty of us are tired of your drivel as well. You'd think CMU lost this week, based on your showing up here.
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91Chips wrote: Okay, so I'm hopping in the fray....long time reader and avid Chip fan. The discussion on how to measure progress is driving me crazy. Is it won - loss record? Is it beating a quality opponent? Is it improvement? To me, as a high school coach (not football), the measurement of a team is always in the quality of play that is put forward on the field. A team's record will generally take care of itself if a team has the proper focus and that is absolutely maximizing your talent to the very best of each individual's ability. When a team collectively buys into this, the results and the individual records will naturally follow. So, with this in mind, my concern of our progress has nothing to do with records at all. I want to see a team that is unified, plays with passion, enjoys being around each other, and displays a healthy respect for the coach. On the coaching side, I want to see a coach who doesn't make excuses...accepts where the team is and is absolutely committed to getting better. I also want him to communicate what the plan is for getting better, so that trust can be established. I want to know that discipline with be handled internally and that the coach will speak on behalf of the team and his players with passion --- because he cares about each player and their collective success. This cannot be fabricated. I have followed the Chips since the mid 80s through highs and lows. I can't claim to know how the team feels about the coach or vice versa. As a spectator on the outside, I see a lack of passion on both the players and coaches. I do not sense that they are in this thing all together. I don't care what the system is, simply do whatever it is you're going to do very, very well! I haven't witnessed this in the three years of Enos' tenure. I like what I see of him as a person and his values, but I question whether or not he is able to get the job done. Some people have the "it" factor and some don't; it doesn't mean they are a bad person - they just haven't produced. So, with all that said, next year's schedule is going to be very difficult to be successful as a football program. The fan base has basically disappeared this year; overwhelmingly, the coach does not seem to have their support. So, if next year is going to be a wash with the team - due to the various personnel losses we are going to have, does CMU want to idly sit by and watch another 3-9 season slip by... OR do we start over at the end of this season with a new coach who can at least start to build a program where people have some hope and optimism about it? I guess the coach's buyout may determine the answer to that question Or maybe the loss of revenue in the stands will. We shall see...
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