Guys, whether you like it or not , Enos will be the Coach of the Chippewas next hear. So can we please stop the fire Enos posts as they are meaningless at this point. I don't believe they have any more influence on what Heeke will do then posts back during the hiring had.

The whole point of this board is discussion. If one wishes to discuss firing Enos, a new recruit, how great Enos is, future opponents, etc. they are welcome to do so.

Here is my take on 2012:  http://thechipreport.com/2012/...ssing-progress/

I apologize to those that this evaluation might offend but you have to have high expectations...

chipchi wrote: Here is my take on 2012:  http://thechipreport.com/2012/...ssing-progress/

I apologize to those that this evaluation might offend but you have to have high expectations...

Can't disagree with your assessment.

Can we please stop this nonsense about Iowa not being an impressive win and the constant complaints about who we beat and what their records were. 

Or did all of you sit around in 2008 spouting off that the win against measly 3-9 Indiana, with wins against 2-10 W Kentucky, FCS Murray state, and a miracle upset of an actually good Northwestern team was not really that big of win.  For that matter that 2008 CMU team really didnt have 8 wins because they beat Toledo (3-9) by 1, Ohio (4-8) by 3 so thats 3 less wins counting that useless win against a bad Indiana team.  Add to that they got beat by a bad Purdue team (4-8) with wins against N Colorado, CMU, a 3-9 U of M, and a 3-9 Indiana team.  And dont forget that epic 52-56 loss to a 3-9 EMU.  Cant believe they let that team go bowling that year with those results. 

Quick someone figure out what the records of those teams they beat was minus of course wins against FCS teams and "bad" teams.

Dont even get me started on that 2009 team with 10 regular season wins with only 2 wins against teams with winning records.  At least the MAC championship game and Bowl game victories came against teams with winning records so we'll let that slide. 

I guess I should look on the bright side: I already have a happier Ms. MTC, as she will be spending the cash that would've gone to the 1100 Club on shiny and sparkly things instead.

Dear God 70...shove it where the sun don't shine. !!

chipchi wrote: Here is my take on 2012:  http://thechipreport.com/2012/...ssing-progress/

I apologize to those that this evaluation might offend but you have to have high expectations...

I really can't figure out your guys thinking and I'm not just singling you out chipchi because there's many that share the same opinion. Before this season started is there anybody who thought we were actually better than NIU or Toledo (except for BallerC)? If you say yes, I think you're lying. Ball St. had vastly improved last season under Lembo and it was pretty clear they were a better team than us, but at the beginning of the year most didn't think they would be the 2nd best team in the West.

Now we sit at 5-6 with a very good chance to improve to 6-6 and finish 4th in the MAC West at 4-4, but we shouldn't really count these wins since they were against bad opposition? This is ridiculous. Yea we got whooped by a mediocre MSU team, but they are a team who has one of the top defenses in the country. Their record may not be great, but they are still a good team. We went on the road and beat Iowa, a game very few people thought would be even close. They sit at 4-7, but we're chalking this up as a win over a bad opponent even though, as mentioned before, we were ecstatic when we beat a crap Indiana team?

Next season's schedule is tough and I'm sure it will be a make or break year, but let's be real. The improvement hasn't been massive, but we have improved and it's a step in the right direction.

Play nice ROW. 

6ForTheChips wrote: 
Ball St. had vastly improved last season under Lembo and it was pretty clear they were a better team than us, but at the beginning of the year most didn't think they would be the 2nd best team in the West.

I think what we want to know is why haven't we seen this type of progress under our third year coach, given that Lembo took over a bad situation at BSU and has much more progress to report in year #2 than we have seen in Enos year #3. Or historical MAC dreg Kent has seen in year #2 under their new guy. NIU and Toledo were able to sustain under their new guys; why did we not sustain, at some level instead of a total collapse. Our guy chose a different path, his path, and there are consequences in life for making choices.

chez29 wrote:
Dont even get me started on that 2009 team with 10 regular season wins with only 2 wins against teams with winning records.  At least the MAC championship game and Bowl game victories came against teams with winning records so we'll let that slide. 

Wow, that's really good of you to "let that slide". We only went 12-2, completely dominated the MAC, and earned a top 25 ranking that season. And we did beat four teams with winning records, but recall that State would have also had a winning record had we not beaten them. It's hard to remember since it's been a while, but that's what happens when you hang a loss on a 6-win team - you prevent them from having a winning record.

FreeRein27 wrote:

chez29 wrote:
Dont even get me started on that 2009 team with 10 regular season wins with only 2 wins against teams with winning records.  At least the MAC championship game and Bowl game victories came against teams with winning records so we'll let that slide. 

Wow, that's really good of you to "let that slide". We only went 12-2, completely dominated the MAC, and earned a top 25 ranking that season. And we did beat four teams with winning records, but recall that State would have also had a winning record had we not beaten them. It's hard to remember since it's been a while, but that's what happens when you hang a loss on a 6-win team - you prevent them from having a winning record.

Lets see if you get it this time.  You can look at almost any year and cherry pick records, teams and stats to make your point.  My point was I could take the best team CMU has had in 20+ years and say they weren't that good because they only beat 2 teams above .500 during the regular season, obviously teams you play in the championship game and bowl game would be above which I mentioned.  I can go back to any year and trot out a list of crappy teams we beat, some barely and some we lost.  As well as bring up good teams that beat up very good CMU teams, 70-14 and 52-7 come to mind as well as a loss, actually a whipping to a FCS team and that was a MAC championship team in 2007.  Thats why I think its dumb to harp on what wins we had and if they are "good" or "bad".  If we win 6 games thats what we are a 6 win team.

First of all, I actually do think the Iowa win was a big one for the program.  But when a bowl selection committee is looking at candidates and you're a 6-6 bubble team, a win against a 4-7 Iowa team is simply not that impressive.

As far as progress this season, for me it can be evaluated by taking a look at second half adjustments.  Even in our win against Iowa, we were handled in the 2nd half.  The Toledo and NIU games were both winnable, until that dreaded 2nd half.

As I mentioned in the post, beating the teams you're supposed to is what good programs do--this didn't really start until this season so I guess that could be looked at as progress.  Winning a single game you shouldn't (especially in conference), beating your rival and showing up at home against the big boys (navy and msu) are signs of a good coach.

MktTimerChip wrote:

6ForTheChips wrote: 
Ball St. had vastly improved last season under Lembo and it was pretty clear they were a better team than us, but at the beginning of the year most didn't think they would be the 2nd best team in the West.

I think what we want to know is why haven't we seen this type of progress under our third year coach, given that Lembo took over a bad situation at BSU and has much more progress to report in year #2 than we have seen in Enos year #3. Or historical MAC dreg Kent has seen in year #2 under their new guy. NIU and Toledo were able to sustain under their new guys; why did we not sustain, at some level instead of a total collapse. Our guy chose a different path, his path, and there are consequences in life for making choices.

I won't argue the fact that I think Lembo is a better coach than Enos. He's done a remarkable job. The same with Hazell at Kent St. Maybe Kent St. wasn't as bad as everyone thought? I don't know. They were 5-7 the 2 years before Hazell arrived and 5-7 last year.

I don't really want to come to the defense of Enos. I really don't think he's a great coach, but we can't really say we haven't improved. Assuming we beat UMass, he did what I wanted him to do for me to feel like he should get 1 more year. The improvement isn't great, but it's there.

Next year it's all or nothing for me. Either we are up there fighting for the MAC West with 1 or 2 conference losses or it's time to move on.

a10koaksfed wrote: Play nice ROW. 

Sorry 10...I just get tired of this guy's drizzle...my guy, my guy, my guy...HIS GUY SUCKS....!!

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a10koaksfed wrote: Play nice ROW. 

Sorry 10...I just get tired of this guy's drizzle...my guy, my guy, my guy...HIS GUY SUCKS....!!

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Don't worry, plenty of us are tired of your drivel as well. You'd think CMU lost this week, based on your showing up here.

arrows80 wrote:

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a10koaksfed wrote: Play nice ROW. 

Sorry 10...I just get tired of this guy's drizzle...my guy, my guy, my guy...HIS GUY SUCKS....!!

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Don't worry, plenty of us are tired of your drivel as well. You'd think CMU lost this week, based on your showing up here.

The Chips won last sat., and played what may have been the best game that they've played this year..and possibly in the enos era.

Attendance is down
Wins are down
Donations are on the way down
The players deserved better
enos is in over his head, as are a # of his staff..

Enjoy the game!~!!

Okay, so I'm hopping in the fray....long time reader and avid Chip fan. The discussion on how to measure progress is driving me crazy.  Is it won - loss record?  Is it beating a quality opponent?  Is it improvement?  To me, as a high school coach (not football), the measurement of a team is always in the quality of play that is put forward on the field.  A team's record will generally take care of itself if a team has the proper focus and that is absolutely maximizing your talent to the very best of each individual's ability.  When a team collectively buys into this, the results and the individual records will naturally follow. 
     So, with this in mind, my concern of our progress has nothing to do with records at all.  I want to see a team that is unified, plays with passion, enjoys being around each other, and displays a healthy respect for the coach.  On the coaching side, I want to see a coach who doesn't make excuses...accepts where the team is and is absolutely committed to getting better. I also want him to communicate what the plan is for getting better, so that trust can be established. I want to know that discipline with be handled internally and that the coach will speak on behalf of the team and his players with passion --- because he cares about each player and their collective success.  This cannot be fabricated.
      I have followed the Chips since the mid 80s through highs and lows.  I can't claim to know how the team feels about the coach or vice versa. As a spectator on the outside, I see a lack of passion on both the players and coaches.  I do not sense that they are in this thing all together. 
     I don't care what the system is, simply do whatever it is you're going to do very, very well! I haven't witnessed this in the three years of Enos' tenure.  I like what I see of him as a person and his values, but I question whether or not he is able to get the job done.  Some people have the "it" factor and some don't; it doesn't mean they are a bad person - they just haven't produced.
    So, with all that said, next year's schedule is going to be very difficult to be successful as a football program.  The fan base has basically disappeared this year; overwhelmingly, the coach does not seem to have their support.  So, if next year is going to be a wash with the team - due to the various personnel losses we are going to have, does CMU want to idly sit by and watch another 3-9 season slip by... OR do we start over at the end of this season with a new coach who can at least start to build a program where people have some hope and optimism about it?  I guess the coach's buyout may determine the answer to that question Or maybe the loss of revenue in the stands will.  We shall see...

91Chips wrote: Okay, so I'm hopping in the fray....long time reader and avid Chip fan. The discussion on how to measure progress is driving me crazy.  Is it won - loss record?  Is it beating a quality opponent?  Is it improvement?  To me, as a high school coach (not football), the measurement of a team is always in the quality of play that is put forward on the field.  A team's record will generally take care of itself if a team has the proper focus and that is absolutely maximizing your talent to the very best of each individual's ability.  When a team collectively buys into this, the results and the individual records will naturally follow. 
     So, with this in mind, my concern of our progress has nothing to do with records at all.  I want to see a team that is unified, plays with passion, enjoys being around each other, and displays a healthy respect for the coach.  On the coaching side, I want to see a coach who doesn't make excuses...accepts where the team is and is absolutely committed to getting better. I also want him to communicate what the plan is for getting better, so that trust can be established. I want to know that discipline with be handled internally and that the coach will speak on behalf of the team and his players with passion --- because he cares about each player and their collective success.  This cannot be fabricated.
      I have followed the Chips since the mid 80s through highs and lows.  I can't claim to know how the team feels about the coach or vice versa. As a spectator on the outside, I see a lack of passion on both the players and coaches.  I do not sense that they are in this thing all together. 
     I don't care what the system is, simply do whatever it is you're going to do very, very well! I haven't witnessed this in the three years of Enos' tenure.  I like what I see of him as a person and his values, but I question whether or not he is able to get the job done.  Some people have the "it" factor and some don't; it doesn't mean they are a bad person - they just haven't produced.
    So, with all that said, next year's schedule is going to be very difficult to be successful as a football program.  The fan base has basically disappeared this year; overwhelmingly, the coach does not seem to have their support.  So, if next year is going to be a wash with the team - due to the various personnel losses we are going to have, does CMU want to idly sit by and watch another 3-9 season slip by... OR do we start over at the end of this season with a new coach who can at least start to build a program where people have some hope and optimism about it?  I guess the coach's buyout may determine the answer to that question Or maybe the loss of revenue in the stands will.  We shall see...

wow....nice post..!

91Chips wrote: Okay, so I'm hopping in the fray....long time reader and avid Chip fan. The discussion on how to measure progress is driving me crazy.  Is it won - loss record?  Is it beating a quality opponent?  Is it improvement?  To me, as a high school coach (not football), the measurement of a team is always in the quality of play that is put forward on the field.  A team's record will generally take care of itself if a team has the proper focus and that is absolutely maximizing your talent to the very best of each individual's ability.  When a team collectively buys into this, the results and the individual records will naturally follow. 
     So, with this in mind, my concern of our progress has nothing to do with records at all.  I want to see a team that is unified, plays with passion, enjoys being around each other, and displays a healthy respect for the coach.  On the coaching side, I want to see a coach who doesn't make excuses...accepts where the team is and is absolutely committed to getting better. I also want him to communicate what the plan is for getting better, so that trust can be established. I want to know that discipline with be handled internally and that the coach will speak on behalf of the team and his players with passion --- because he cares about each player and their collective success.  This cannot be fabricated.
      I have followed the Chips since the mid 80s through highs and lows.  I can't claim to know how the team feels about the coach or vice versa. As a spectator on the outside, I see a lack of passion on both the players and coaches.  I do not sense that they are in this thing all together. 
     I don't care what the system is, simply do whatever it is you're going to do very, very well! I haven't witnessed this in the three years of Enos' tenure.  I like what I see of him as a person and his values, but I question whether or not he is able to get the job done.  Some people have the "it" factor and some don't; it doesn't mean they are a bad person - they just haven't produced.
    So, with all that said, next year's schedule is going to be very difficult to be successful as a football program.  The fan base has basically disappeared this year; overwhelmingly, the coach does not seem to have their support.  So, if next year is going to be a wash with the team - due to the various personnel losses we are going to have, does CMU want to idly sit by and watch another 3-9 season slip by... OR do we start over at the end of this season with a new coach who can at least start to build a program where people have some hope and optimism about it?  I guess the coach's buyout may determine the answer to that question Or maybe the loss of revenue in the stands will.  We shall see...

Well-phrased post, 91Chips.