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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:09 PM

Not that we're jealous Americans/sore losers, but... 





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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:17 PM

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During the US-Germany game, there were tweets and posts along the lines of "Two-Time World War Champions". I think we know our place in soccer, but I suppose that's the frustrating part.

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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:37 PM

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the sad thing is, we're a country of over a quarter of a million people, and millions of square miles of territory...and yet we can't put together a soccer team good enough to beat a country the size of Maryland, with less than one twentieth of our population.

That's sad!

I mean, losing to Brazil, Germany, Italy...no shame at all in that. 

But Belgium?? Come on! 

I'm sure Belgium is a very nice country and the people there are very nice.  Not a disparaging word against the country or it's fans.   But rather,  I see this as like Boise State getting beat by Carrington College.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:59 PM

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...think you meant a quarter of a billion (we're actually about 1/3 billion)...

The USA is still far behind in technical development.  Soccer is not like basketball where a really good athlete can pick up the sport halfway through high school and eventually play in the NBA.  If it were, the USA would just scan the courts and fields and find ample high level physical talent.   It's a game played w/o your hands save the keeper and unless you have played the game or have been close to it, there isn't an easy way to explain how important technical abilities are. 

In the post game commentary on ESPN, retried German superstar, Michael Ballack, implied this is the USA''s great challenge.  We can get to world class physically, but the technical aspect is the great challenge.  How the USA develops players from youth up requires some major adjustments.

BTW:  Those Belgian dudes are being called the "golden generation".  Belgium's 2nd goal was by a sub who is is 6',4" and 220 lbs.  w/world class skills.  He was a sub for Belgium and is far better than any attacking player the USA has not to mention a physical mismatch for all of our defenders even if they were fresh..  Sorry, Yoda and Dan Hawkins, size matters.  And, technical play matters more.
Patchface wrote: the sad thing is, we're a country of over a quarter of a million people, and millions of square miles of territory...and yet we can't put together a soccer team good enough to beat a country the size of Maryland, with less than one twentieth of our population.

That's sad!

I mean, losing to Brazil, Germany, Italy...no shame at all in that. 

But Belgium?? Come on! 

I'm sure Belgium is a very nice country and the people there are very nice.  Not a disparaging word against the country or it's fans.   But rather,  I see this as like Boise State getting beat by Carrington College.

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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:59 PM

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"Belgium would go 0-12 in the SEC" took Twitter by storm towards the end of the game.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 9:01 PM

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OregonBroncoFan wrote: "Belgium would go 0-12 in the SEC" took Twitter by storm towards the end of the game.
Like Celtic legend Bill Russell used to say, it depends on the rules of the game.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 9:56 PM

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I thought The ESPN folks said if the game, match, what ever it's called ended in a tie after the 90 minutes, plus add on penalties...there would be something called a penalty kick off. I thought that was like hockey, not lawn hockey, ice hockey, when the teams would take turns kicking at the goal.Then we go for another half hour of the same absolutely boring stuff..and a goal is scored. But it still doesn't end.

Thank God it did. I tried to get into it. No frickin' way. Thank God for American college futbol !
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:08 PM

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I thought The ESPN folks said if the game, match, what ever it's called ended in a tie after the 90 minutes, plus add on penalties...there would be something called a penalty kick off. I thought that was like hockey, not lawn hockey, ice hockey, when the teams would take turns kicking at the goal.Then we go for another half hour of the same absolutely boring stuff..and a goal is scored. But it still doesn't end.

Thank God it did. I tried to get into it. No frickin' way. Thank God for American college futbol !
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Well, at least you tried. Not all that well I suspect, but you know what they say about old dogs and new tricks :).
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:12 PM

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I thought The ESPN folks said if the game, match, what ever it's called ended in a tie after the 90 minutes, plus add on penalties...there would be something called a penalty kick off. I thought that was like hockey, not lawn hockey, ice hockey, when the teams would take turns kicking at the goal.Then we go for another half hour of the same absolutely boring stuff..and a goal is scored. But it still doesn't end.

Thank God it did. I tried to get into it. No frickin' way. Thank God for American college futbol !
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Well, at least you tried. Not all that well I suspect, but you know what they say about old dogs and new tricks :).

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I'll no doubt try again in four years. Maybe the U.S. can find the money to buy a super team.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 10:22 PM

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bar4d,
...see my response above to Patchface. I think understanding the technical aspects of the game are very, very hard to grasp for most novice observers of the game. You are certainly evidence of this. Let me put it this way: Money alone can't buy the USA success. Our whole system of development is in need of major changes.

Sad to say as a huge college football fan, but soccer will rule long after you and I and college football as we now know it are dead.

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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:18 PM

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bar4d,
...see my response above to Patchface. I think understanding the technical aspects of the game are very, very hard to grasp for most novice observers of the game. You are certainly evidence of this. Let me put it this way: Money alone can't buy the USA success. Our whole system of development is in need of major changes.

Sad to say as a huge college football fan, but soccer will rule long after you and I and college football as we now know it are dead.

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I agree with that GJ. Meanwhile we have some years left to watch our gladiatorial form of futbol.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:28 PM

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grandjean87 wrote: ---------------------------------------------
--- bar4d wrote:
I thought The ESPN folks said if the game, match, what ever it's called ended in a tie after the 90 minutes, plus add on penalties...there would be something called a penalty kick off. I thought that was like hockey, not lawn hockey, ice hockey, when the teams would take turns kicking at the goal.Then we go for another half hour of the same absolutely boring stuff..and a goal is scored. But it still doesn't end.

Thank God it did. I tried to get into it. No frickin' way. Thank God for American college futbol !
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Well, at least you tried. Not all that well I suspect, but you know what they say about old dogs and new tricks :).
I tried and tried and tried. ...but I guess I am relegated to try again someday. In the meantime I am going to see if I can try a soccer Mom. My guess there would be a lot more action and drama.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:36 PM

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Fangdog wrote: I tried and tried and tried. ...but I guess I am relegated to try again someday. In the meantime I am going to see if I can try a soccer Mom. My guess there would be a lot more action and drama.
Soccer is a 100x better in person than on TV. Give the San Jose Earthquakes a chance come 2015....they'll have a brand new stadium and all come spring 2015. It will be worth checking out.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:56 PM

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Patchface wrote: the sad thing is, we're a country of over a quarter of a million people, and millions of square miles of territory...and yet we can't put together a soccer team good enough to beat a country the size of Maryland, with less than one twentieth of our population.

That's sad!

I mean, losing to Brazil, Germany, Italy...no shame at all in that. 

But Belgium?? Come on! 

I'm sure Belgium is a very nice country and the people there are very nice.  Not a disparaging word against the country or it's fans.   But rather,  I see this as like Boise State getting beat by Carrington College.
Belgium's athletes have soccer.  Or track.  The best in that country choose soccer. 

If the best athletes in the state of Colorado all chose soccer, the USA would dominate.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 3:03 AM

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Patchface wrote: the sad thing is, we're a country of over a quarter of a million people, and millions of square miles of territory...and yet we can't put together a soccer team good enough to beat a country the size of Maryland, with less than one twentieth of our population.

That's sad!

I mean, losing to Brazil, Germany, Italy...no shame at all in that. 

But Belgium?? Come on! 

I'm sure Belgium is a very nice country and the people there are very nice.  Not a disparaging word against the country or it's fans.   But rather,  I see this as like Boise State getting beat by Carrington College.
They (Belgium) are the Boise State of Europe....cause USA should be considered one of the "big boys"....pirate
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Posted: 7/2/2014 6:56 AM

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This.  

Our technical development is so far behind these other super powers, of soccer.

As humans we do everything with our hands.  Everything.  Sure our feet move us around but everything we do is based off of eye/hand coordination.

I watched the game yesterday with my brother who is a huge basketball/baseball/football (American) fan.  He was frustrated the entire game  (as I was but for different reasons) because he didn't understand the technical side of the game and the complexity of using your feet to do what soccer players are required to do.  Yes they are professionals but if you haven't grown up honing those technical skills with your feet, you aren't going to pick that kind of skill up in a year like you can in basketball.

The youth leagues are starting to push technical skills more and more.  That's what I try to work with my boy on.  Although he will be tall and will end up being a goalie at some point so he'll be using his hands but the youth leagues are starting to push it more. 

It's gonna take some time.  A lot more time.  We're getting there but people who don't follow soccer don't understand why it is taking so long.  They expect MLS to be one of the top leagues already because it has been around for 20 years.  "How much more time do you need?" I have heard over and over.  They just don't understand.  
grandjean87 wrote: ...think you meant a quarter of a billion (we're actually about 1/3 billion)...

The USA is still far behind in technical development.  Soccer is not like basketball where a really good athlete can pick up the sport halfway through high school and eventually play in the NBA.  If it were, the USA would just scan the courts and fields and find ample high level physical talent.   It's a game played w/o your hands save the keeper and unless you have played the game or have been close to it, there isn't an easy way to explain how important technical abilities are. 

In the post game commentary on ESPN, retried German superstar, Michael Ballack, implied this is the USA''s great challenge.  We can get to world class physically, but the technical aspect is the great challenge.  How the USA develops players from youth up requires some major adjustments.

BTW:  Those Belgian dudes are being called the "golden generation".  Belgium's 2nd goal was by a sub who is is 6',4" and 220 lbs.  w/world class skills.  He was a sub for Belgium and is far better than any attacking player the USA has not to mention a physical mismatch for all of our defenders even if they were fresh..  Sorry, Yoda and Dan Hawkins, size matters.  And, technical play matters more.
Patchface wrote: the sad thing is, we're a country of over a quarter of a million people, and millions of square miles of territory...and yet we can't put together a soccer team good enough to beat a country the size of Maryland, with less than one twentieth of our population.

That's sad!

I mean, losing to Brazil, Germany, Italy...no shame at all in that. 

But Belgium?? Come on! 

I'm sure Belgium is a very nice country and the people there are very nice.  Not a disparaging word against the country or it's fans.   But rather,  I see this as like Boise State getting beat by Carrington College.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 7:59 AM

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We lost to a country that dips their french fries in mayonnaise...  ohlordth_261841_sadbanana.gif

Still, great run for team USA there.  biggrin

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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:13 AM

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smrfturf wrote: We lost to a country that dips their french fries in mayonnaise...  ohlordth_261841_sadbanana.gif

Still, great run for team USA there.  biggrin

I dip my french fries in mayonnaise.. a mixture of mayonnaise and Barbecue sauce.  Heavy on BBQ, light on Mayo.. but it's delicious.   noidea

I think I could totally get into soccer.. but the flops just kill it for me. For every 1 exciting moment there are like 20 idiotic flops you've got to wade through.

If you are hit and have to roll around for 5 minutes on the ground in pain.. you shouldn't be able to just get up and start running with no limp immediately after with no medical treatment.  Just ridiculous.

It's like watching a room full of toddlers wander around chasing a ball right before nap time.  rolleyes



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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:31 AM

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The flopping is annoying but not everyone that hits the ground is flopping.

What you have to realize, at least in my experience in playing, is that often when you are kicked in the leg/shin, it stings like hell for a few minutes and then it goes away. That or if the kick is to a leg muscle, it kind of immobilizes you for a few minutes and then wears off so you can get back up. IDK how many times I took a shot to the shin, even with guards on, and went down for 1-3 minutes, and then was able to get up and walk it off but trying to stand up right away after isn't that easy.

Plus with no timeouts involved in soccer, it's a great way to get a few minutes of rest. It's just part of the game. Every sport has really annoying things about it but we love the game so we get over it.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 8:37 AM

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TriCityBronco wrote: The flopping is annoying but not everyone that hits the ground is flopping.

What you have to realize, at least in my experience in playing, is that often when you are kicked in the leg/shin, it stings like hell for a few minutes and then it goes away. That or if the kick is to a leg muscle, it kind of immobilizes you for a few minutes and then wears off so you can get back up. IDK how many times I took a shot to the shin, even with guards on, and went down for 1-3 minutes, and then was able to get up and walk it off but trying to stand up right away after isn't that easy. 
I was going to post the same thing. I remember taking a blow right on my knee cap. Probably looked like nothing. For about 60 seconds, it felt like me knee cap was shattered and I'd have to go to the hospital. 2-3 minutes later, I was back up, running like nothing happened.

So yeah, a lot of them look like flops but aren't. But on the flip side, there are still plenty of flops.
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