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Are Canadians lousy tippers?

Posted: 7/24/2009 11:46 AM

Are Canadians lousy tippers? 


Someone from one of the boards that I lurk in stated that Canadians are seen as lousy tippers.  This is coming from an American living in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.  All of my friends that I know (with a couple of exceptions) tip according to the level of service.  PV is a destination for quite a few Canadians and Americans and I don't really know if people tip the same amount when on vacation vs. at home.  My wife and I have always been pretty generous with tips with 20% being standard (home or on vacation). If the level of service is poor we might leave 10% or less.  Here is West Texas we've noticed that most people cheap out on tips.
Just curious to know what people here do.
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Posted: 8/3/2009 6:20 PM

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minimum 15%, unless the bill is unnaturally high for the service (If the waiter/tress is there the typical 5 or 6 times, but I order $100 worth of food, I'll probably only tip 8–10 bucks. No one worked any harder for me; I just ordered more expensive stuff). If the bill is high because I ordered a lot of drinks or something, the tip goes up.
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Posted: 8/4/2009 6:45 PM

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I don't know if Canadians tend to be cheap or not. It's possible. Canada being a hybrid of British and US culture, there may be less of a tip-friendly attitude. England has fewer tip-dependent professions, and some parts of Canada lean more towards English customs than American.

That's just speculation, though.

Another theory: it used to be that 10% was considered a standard tip in Canada. For my parents' generation, anything over 10% was considered a huge tip. I had to hammer into their heads that nowadays, if you only tip 10% you're telling the server you were unhappy with the food or service.

I generally round my tips up to the nearest $5 or $10. I aim for a 20% tip, and will tip 25% or more if I think the server went above and beyond. I'll still use the same percentages in more expensive venues.

It's not just generosity; tipping pays off. If you tip in the 20%-25% range, servers remember, and they treat you very well when you return. As someone who likes to return to good restaurants over and over, my tipping policy has made my dining experiences very pleasant.
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Posted: 8/4/2009 11:56 PM

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Living in Florida I think that people in the U.S generalize as to "Canadians". French Canadians typically tip like ****...and are known as such....maybe the "French" culture? Whereas Canadians from English Canada generally tip better....Canadians are lumped all together when Americans say Canadians tip poorly.

Even English Canadians many times only tip 10-15%... The standard is 20% in America...especially in places like Florida where the majority of industry is service based. Servers typically only earn $2.95 or so an hr and exist on tips...So tipping habits are a much discussed topic and stereotypes, whether justified or not are developed and promulgated...
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Posted: 8/5/2009 4:40 AM

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I tip based on service. I don't think twice about leaving only a penny as tip(so they know they service was bad, and you didn't just forget) if the service is bad. If I ask for a refill and you walk by my table 10 times before you bring it, you aren't getting a very good tip. It is clear when the service is good or not.

When the service is good, I tip in the 20-25 percent range.
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Posted: 8/5/2009 12:48 PM

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----sltwtr1 wrote: ---------------

Living in Florida I think that people in the U.S generalize as to "Canadians". French Canadians typically tip like ****...and are known as such....maybe the "French" culture? Whereas Canadians from English Canada generally tip better....Canadians are lumped all together when Americans say Canadians tip poorly.

Even English Canadians many times only tip 10-15%... The standard is 20% in America...especially in places like Florida where the majority of industry is service based. Servers typically only earn $2.95 or so an hr and exist on tips...So tipping habits are a much discussed topic and stereotypes, whether justified or not are developed and promulgated...

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Yowza ... If the standard in the U.S. is 20%, then Canadians would definitely be light tippers in comparison, since the standard here is definitely 15%.

As I said, I tip in the 20%-25% range, but I'm not typical. I'll have to keep your numbers in mind next time I'm tipping in the States.
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Posted: 8/5/2009 1:07 PM

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In France, tips are already included in the bill. That's why the French forget to tip when they're travelling.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 12:34 AM

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american standard is "double the tax" so roughly 15-17 percent.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 12:55 PM

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----gojays2004 wrote: ---------------

american standard is "double the tax" so roughly 15-17 percent.

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Geez, you guys get a free ride with taxes! In Ontario there was a time when the tax came to 15% without doubling it ... so people just added the taxes and made that their tip.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 3:50 PM

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I think I've always been a great tipper...and I base my tip on how good the service was.

If I don't have to ask for a water refill, the food was hot and served quickly, the waiter made good recomendations, I will always give a good tip.

Like, "if travelling to Europe, try to book an early evening flight to ge there.  That way you can sleep on the flight, and wake up at your destination in the morning refreshed!"...or "try to ensure that household expenses are paid by the higher income earner to take advantage of more tax deductions"

but if it was average, or crummy service they'll most likely get a "try to fill up your tank during the week, after 9pm, as thats when the price is the lowest" or a "when buying symphony tickets, the cheapest are often in the front row if you don't mind the obstucted view of the orchestra "

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Posted: 8/6/2009 5:19 PM

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Don't sit in the front row at the symphony if there are vocalists. Been there. Fortunately, the programs were big enough to protect me from the flying spit.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 6:09 PM

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I'm a little funny when it comes to tipping.

I'm not cheap by any means, but I do have a whole problem with a percentage being allocated to what should be tipped.

Say for example... I am having breakfast at my favourite restaurant, and the bill for the two of us comes to $12.00... I would leave a $20 without thinking twice.

On the other hand, I was having dinner a few months back at a very nice steakhouse in Vegas with friends. During dinner one of the guys ordered couple of very pricey bottles of wine ($100 each). So the bill came out to $650 for the 5 of us.


We left $100... which is about 15%.

Is that 'Cheap' because it's only 15%? Heck... I don't think so.
We didn't get exceptional treatment or really outstanding service (nor did we milk a table for 5hrs.... and the server walked away with $100.

The server wasn't bad, but in all honesty, is it that much harder to walk a $50 steak over to my table than my $6.00 breakfast? My local diner waitress filled my coffee and treated me far better than the guy in the white shirt at the steakhouse. Just because the food is better, I should fork out a tip 5X the total?

Anyways.. I'm rambling on.. but maybe you can see what I mean.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 6:38 PM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote: I'm a little funny when it comes to tipping.

I'm not cheap by any means, but I do have a whole problem with a percentage being allocated to what should be tipped.

Say for example... I am having breakfast at my favourite restaurant, and the bill for the two of us comes to $12.00... I would leave a $20 without thinking twice.

On the other hand, I was having dinner a few months back at a very nice steakhouse in Vegas with friends. During dinner one of the guys ordered couple of very pricey bottles of wine ($100 each). So the bill came out to $650 for the 5 of us.


We left $100... which is about 15%.

Is that 'Cheap' because it's only 15%? Heck... I don't think so.
We didn't get exceptional treatment or really outstanding service (nor did we milk a table for 5hrs.... and the server walked away with $100.

The server wasn't bad, but in all honesty, is it that much harder to walk a $50 steak over to my table than my $6.00 breakfast? My local diner waitress filled my coffee and treated me far better than the guy in the white shirt at the steakhouse. Just because the food is better, I should fork out a tip 5X the total?

Anyways.. I'm rambling on.. but maybe you can see what I mean.
I agree.  Also, look at a table after breakfast.  It is a wasteland of split coffee, empty jam and suger packs, half eaten toast and plates smeared with ketchup and egg yolks.  You think that the waiter at Nobu is cleaning up your table?  Thats a busboys job.  At breakfast place, it's ussually your server.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 6:53 PM

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Say for example... I am having breakfast at my favourite restaurant, and the bill for the two of us comes to $12.00... I would leave a $20 without thinking twice.
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You don't need to tip at McDonald's, joe.

Anyway ...

I agree to a degree -- serving staff at greasy spoons deal with a lot of crap. But I actually tip them more, rather than tipping others less. But if you're dropping $100 as a tip, the server's going to be pretty happy.

The only places I don't like such customs are places like coffee shops where they're not getting server's wages, aren't actually serving (sometimes you're even pouring your own coffee), yet they've got a tip jar on the counter. I worked that sort of job in high school and I know it can be tough, and there's stress anytime you're working with the public, but they're already making more money than the waiter or waitress who does more work.
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Posted: 8/6/2009 8:02 PM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote: I'm a little funny when it comes to tipping.

I'm not cheap by any means, but I do have a whole problem with a percentage being allocated to what should be tipped.

Say for example... I am having breakfast at my favourite restaurant, and the bill for the two of us comes to $12.00... I would leave a $20 without thinking twice.

On the other hand, I was having dinner a few months back at a very nice steakhouse in Vegas with friends. During dinner one of the guys ordered couple of very pricey bottles of wine ($100 each). So the bill came out to $650 for the 5 of us.


We left $100... which is about 15%.

Is that 'Cheap' because it's only 15%? Heck... I don't think so.
We didn't get exceptional treatment or really outstanding service (nor did we milk a table for 5hrs.... and the server walked away with $100.

The server wasn't bad, but in all honesty, is it that much harder to walk a $50 steak over to my table than my $6.00 breakfast? My local diner waitress filled my coffee and treated me far better than the guy in the white shirt at the steakhouse. Just because the food is better, I should fork out a tip 5X the total?

Anyways.. I'm rambling on.. but maybe you can see what I mean.
I'm similar to this, but you also have to remember that servers tip out to the bussers and the kitchen staff. And that staff definitely worked harder to not screw up your $50 steak than the short-order cook who made your breakfast.

I think the key here is price. I'll tip the same on a $50 steak as I would a $30 steak, because the job is the same, but the menu is more expensive.
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Posted: 8/7/2009 8:19 AM

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----yogowen wrote: ---------------

broadwayjoe2 wrote: I'm a little funny when it comes to tipping.

I'm not cheap by any means, but I do have a whole problem with a percentage being allocated to what should be tipped.

Say for example... I am having breakfast at my favourite restaurant, and the bill for the two of us comes to $12.00... I would leave a $20 without thinking twice.

On the other hand, I was having dinner a few months back at a very nice steakhouse in Vegas with friends. During dinner one of the guys ordered couple of very pricey bottles of wine ($100 each). So the bill came out to $650 for the 5 of us.


We left $100... which is about 15%.

Is that 'Cheap' because it's only 15%? Heck... I don't think so.
We didn't get exceptional treatment or really outstanding service (nor did we milk a table for 5hrs.... and the server walked away with $100.

The server wasn't bad, but in all honesty, is it that much harder to walk a $50 steak over to my table than my $6.00 breakfast? My local diner waitress filled my coffee and treated me far better than the guy in the white shirt at the steakhouse. Just because the food is better, I should fork out a tip 5X the total?

Anyways.. I'm rambling on.. but maybe you can see what I mean.
I'm similar to this, but you also have to remember that servers tip out to the bussers and the kitchen staff. And that staff definitely worked harder to not screw up your $50 steak than the short-order cook who made your breakfast.

I think the key here is price. I'll tip the same on a $50 steak as I would a $30 steak, because the job is the same, but the menu is more expensive.

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I feel the same way about the wine. If it's a $100 bottle on the menu or a $30 bottle, there is no additional prep needed. It isn't any harder to open the bottle!

I also realize that wait staff have 'tip out' to the kitchen/busboys etc. But in my experience in the industry in the past (I used to bartend) the servers only tipped out about 15-20% of their total take.

I'm not crying for anyone who works as a server at any higher priced restaurant. They make good money... REALLY good money. I have a friend who worked at The Keg who would walk out of the place on a Friday/Saturday night with a minimum of $250-300 cash in her pocket... Plus her wage. Not to mention the fact that the taxman didn't see much of it. Not too shabby.


How do you guys handle a sitation where the gratuity is already added to the bill. Do you still leave something or do you just go with that...

If the server was good... I'll usually drop an extra $20.

Otherwise I go with the built in tip
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Posted: 8/7/2009 8:32 AM

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----85Jays wrote: ---------------

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Say for example... I am having breakfast at my favourite restaurant, and the bill for the two of us comes to $12.00... I would leave a $20 without thinking twice.
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You don't need to tip at McDonald's, joe.

Anyway ...

I agree to a degree -- serving staff at greasy spoons deal with a lot of crap. But I actually tip them more, rather than tipping others less. But if you're dropping $100 as a tip, the server's going to be pretty happy.

The only places I don't like such customs are places like coffee shops where they're not getting server's wages, aren't actually serving (sometimes you're even pouring your own coffee), yet they've got a tip jar on the counter. I worked that sort of job in high school and I know it can be tough, and there's stress anytime you're working with the public, but they're already making more money than the waiter or waitress who does more work.

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I am going for breakfast right now (and it's not McDonalds!)

Starbucks burns me... I don't tip there.. yet many expect it. Heck..I have to prep my own bloody coffee. All they do is pour it in a cup.

I know it is different for you 85... it takes them a long time to make your orange mocha latte double cappacino.



What do you guys tip delivery drivers....? I am somewhat torn these days. I have always been a $5 kind of guy (not done by percentage) It seems as though most Pizza places have built in delivery charges already. Who gets these? The driver? The pizza joint?

I am a bit more generous as gas isn't cheap...

But if my $2.75 is going to the driver already... should I still be slipping him a fin? $7.75 to drop off a pizza is pretty steep in my opinion.
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Posted: 8/7/2009 12:39 PM

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as someone who's held both a cook job AND a pizza delivery job, here's my insider info.

I've worked at about 7 or 8 different resturants in my day, and of varying degree of "class". 

In only one of those places was the kitchen "tipped out", and even then it was a pretty small %.  The tips where actually fully shared there, meaning that at the end of your shift, the server turned over everything to the manager, and they would devide it up amonst the servers as the busboys at the end of the night (ussually as they sat around and drank...paying back money to the bar).  Then every two weeks at payday the kitchen staff would get an extra envolope with cash along with their cheque.  That was the only place like that and a definate rarity in the industry.  The avg resturant pays the kitchen staff far better than the wait/bar staff, but rarely do tips make it to the dishwasher, for example.

In pizza delivery, I made a certain amount per delivery...like $1.50 or something.  That wasn't added on to the bill, but alot actually do, it was just what the pizza place paid in "salary".  Now, when you went out on a run, you would take 5 or 6 orders with you and be back in 30 mins.   Bang, Bang, Bang.  So you'd avg, after gas, about 10/hr...but during peak times...5-8pm.  Tips avg about $3 per house.  So if you avg'd about 40 houses (it really drops off between 8-11pm) a night, after gas costs, I'd walk away with over a $150 at least.  I got to the point where I'd only work the 5-8 shift and make $120 then go out with cash in my pocket.  That was a good summer.

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Posted: 8/9/2009 11:26 AM

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so I take the family to TO thurs-sat for the zoo and jays.

ate at rainforest cafe where waiters came from the kitchen startling me as they were right behind me  yelling "wooo", then I turn and a sparkler almost hits me in the eyes from a desert on fire thing they do.  They might want to chill with that a bit.

a hostess at the door, that tells you to go inside to other hostess, who tells another hostess to seat you.  3 people to do a job that could easily be replaced by a sign that says "seat yourself".

 

I get a cajun burger, tell the waitress to make it extra cajun, it comes out, I taste no cajun at all.  Then the weird part, for a refill, their policy is to bring you a new cup rather than fill up my old one, even at my request.  Why do I want 3 empty glasses on my table?  Every other restaurant I worked in, they demand you clear the tables of excess dishes/cups to give the customer more room.

Delta East (scarborough) tells me subway is better to get to roger's center, so I drove 20minutes to the subway, then took two trains, then walked (carrying a 2 year old) about 10 minutes, and it cost me 12 bucks to ride the subway.  So basically I saved about 8 dollars, and it took over an hour longer.  Thinking just driving the 10 miles to the game would have been the way to go.

good times

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Posted: 8/9/2009 2:10 PM

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broadwayjoe2 wrote:


How do you guys handle a sitation where the gratuity is already added to the bill. Do you still leave something or do you just go with that...

If the server was good... I'll usually drop an extra $20.

Otherwise I go with the built in tip

When I lived in Germany the custom in most european coutries was to round up to the nearest mark/franc/kronen etc.

Although I have never run across the situation in Canada, I would likely do the same and round up to the nearest dollar.
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