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Posted: 9/24/2008 7:39 PM

Budweiser American Ale... 


Since we were talking about it before...

I just found a store that had some Budweiser American Ale tonight.  I had been anxiously awaiting the release.  I have really wanted to find a decent, inexpensive mass-produced ale (because I cannot stand the crap made by A-B, Coors, and Miller and because good beer is expensive for everyday inbibing).

Anyways...

First of all, my two six packs were $7.99 each ($16 plus tax for a 12 pack).  That is NOT a good start.  That made it more expensive than Sam Adams, Red Hook, both local breweries, and about two-thirds of other American brewpubs/micros.

Secondly, I was pleasantly suprised to see that the bottles are NOT twist-offs (hinting at at least some bottle conditioning, which is good) and the color is deep amber (but curiously transparent for an ale--I prefer them unfiltered) but, once I poured a glass, the brew just isn't very good.  It is extremely mild...bordering on flavorless...and has almost no evidence whatsoever of the presence of hops in aroma or taste.  Not to sound cliche with regard to mass-produced American beers, but it honestly tastes like a decent ale that was watered down.

I guess I was expecting a better brew for a much cheaper price.  I won't be buying it again (except for maybe in Busch stadium).  This beer should not sell for more than $1 a beer (if they honestly expect it to be successful)...and that is if it was good in the first place.

For the money, Red Hook ESB and a couple varieties of Sam Adams (Boston Ale, Pale Ale, White Ale, Summer Ale, etc.) remain the best of the nationally distributed ales.




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Last edited 9/24/2008 7:49 PM by easton714

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Posted: 9/24/2008 10:24 PM

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Thanks for the post Easton.

I'm going to try and buy some tomorrow or Friday.  I'll put my thoughts here then too, but your post is about what I expected unfortunately.  I expected it to be all about color and not much about taste - the "look we made an amber ale!" pitch to consumers.

This only furthers the lack of credibility of the guy who said it was better than Fat Tire or Sam Adams...does he even know what real beer is?

VERY unfortunate on the price.  Maybe it'll be less expensive here in St. Louis (highly doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to think wishfully I suppose...)
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:09 AM

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Thanks for the review Easton.  I have been tempted to try it a few times now, but I am on a bit of a Belgian beer kick right now.   I don't think I will bother buying it now unless I'm at a game with no other options.   
easton714 wrote: Since we were talking about it before...

I just found a store that had some Budweiser American Ale tonight.  I had been anxiously awaiting the release.  I have really wanted to find a decent, inexpensive mass-produced ale (because I cannot stand the crap made by A-B, Coors, and Miller and because good beer is expensive for everyday inbibing).

Anyways...

First of all, my two six packs were $7.99 each ($16 plus tax for a 12 pack).  That is NOT a good start.  That made it more expensive than Sam Adams, Red Hook, both local breweries, and about two-thirds of other American brewpubs/micros.

Secondly, I was pleasantly suprised to see that the bottles are NOT twist-offs (hinting at at least some bottle conditioning, which is good) and the color is deep amber (but curiously transparent for an ale--I prefer them unfiltered) but, once I poured a glass, the brew just isn't very good.  It is extremely mild...bordering on flavorless...and has almost no evidence whatsoever of the presence of hops in aroma or taste.  Not to sound cliche with regard to mass-produced American beers, but it honestly tastes like a decent ale that was watered down.

I guess I was expecting a better brew for a much cheaper price.  I won't be buying it again (except for maybe in Busch stadium).  This beer should not sell for more than $1 a beer (if they honestly expect it to be successful)...and that is if it was good in the first place.

For the money, Red Hook ESB and a couple varieties of Sam Adams (Boston Ale, Pale Ale, White Ale, Summer Ale, etc.) remain the best of the nationally distributed ales.

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Posted: 9/25/2008 5:38 AM

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That's disappointing to hear, easton.  However, I haven't tasted a decent A-B product in years.  (I'm a dark beer girl, myself.)

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Posted: 9/25/2008 6:50 AM

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jrtimbli wrote: Thanks for the review Easton.  I have been tempted to try it a few times now, but I am on a bit of a Belgian beer kick right now.   I don't think I will bother buying it now unless I'm at a game with no other options.   
I was sincerely hoping that it would be a decent, inexpensive everyday beer--the beer you always have a few cases of on hand just in case of an impromptu football gathering (because you cannot buy alcohol on Sundays in Indiana--which is a crock of feces).

The price is, I think, what really bugged me.  At $10 or so per 12 pack, it might be decent enough to have some around.  However, I can buy Red Hook or Sam Adams for $12 already...and they are WAY better.

I had Belgian kick myself last winter.  Then, thanks to a great local pub, I went on a Scottish ale kick.  In the Summer, I tend to drink a lot of wheats.

If you are looking for something unique worth checking out (and like Belgians), try varieties from Unibroue in Quebec.

http://www.unibroue.com/our_beers_eng.html

Maudite, La Fin du Monde, Trois Pistoles, and Ephemere are all excellent.

If you like IPAs (which are probably my favorite, all things considered), check out Dogfish Head's 90 minute (or 120 minute if you are lucky enough to find it--120 IBU, 20% ABV, 450 calories per 12 oz.!!!!) IPA.

http://www.dogfish.com/brewing...PA/11/index.htm

My favorite local brewery, Mad Anthony Brewing Company, recently released an Imperial American Red Ale (that is dry-hopped like an IPA) that is superb, but is only available on draft (so I have filled up my growler a few times).




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Last edited 9/25/2008 6:59 AM by easton714

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Posted: 9/25/2008 6:54 AM

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Just to reiterate, it wasn't terrible but it just wasn't very good.  Ales are not supposed to be so bland.  Being the same price (or higher) than its competition (which is better), I cannot imagine it being successful.

Maybe they are counting on American Ale being a stepping stone to full-flavored ales for those still drinking their other crap.  I don't know why they would offer a stepping stone to something that they don't make themselves, though.  Maybe the Belgian brewmasters from InBev will come up with something.




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Posted: 9/25/2008 11:49 AM

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easton714 wrote:

Maybe the Belgian brewmasters from InBev will come up with something.

This was my thought as well.  I'm not sure exactly how much of a hand they'll have in the whole process of new beers (obviously they won't change the old recipes that are so ridiculously well selling), but if they are going to help the brewmasters to make better beer then it could certainly help A-B.

And, to be completely honest, A-B does have some beers that are decent that no one really knows are on their label.  For example, they are actually minority participants in Red Hook, and have many many more (check the Wikipedia page for info on it here).

One beer I am now particularly interested to taste (aside from the American Ale) is Michelob Dunkel Weisse, which is supposed to have also just come out.  It is advertised as a dark wheat ale.  Here's a review on it, take it for what it's worth.
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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:07 PM

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And, to be completely honest, A-B does have some beers that are decent that no one really knows are on their label.  For example, they are actually minority participants in Red Hook, and have many many more (check the Wikipedia page for info on it here).

Owning non-controlling interests in Modelo, Red Hook, and Widmer does not make the beers from those breweries A-B products, though.  They are minority shareholders (even the 50% share in Grupo Modelo is non-controlling).

One beer I am now particularly interested to taste (aside from the American Ale) is Michelob Dunkel Weisse, which is supposed to have also just come out.  It is advertised as a dark wheat ale.  Here's a review on it, take it for what it's worth.

I'll believe it when I taste it.  Every single other Michelob "craft" varietal has been pretty much a disaster.  Marzen?  Pale Ale?  Porter?  They have all been terrible.

In order to be successful in the craft ale market, they need to brew smaller batches, using better (and fresh, not processed) ingredients.  Their mass-production business model just doesn't work with these beer types.  There is a reason why tiny brewpubs can make great beer with minimal capital investment.  Ales are best prepared in small batches.  With fresh ingredients, a good brewmaster, and basic equipment, Joe Schmo can compete with (and beat) the mega-brewers.





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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:12 PM

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kotheb wrote: 
Here's a review on it, take it for what it's worth.

I find it interesting that one of the comments on that blog poo-poos Michelob and then praises the 120 minute Dogfish Head IPA that I mentioned before (and says it is finally available again--which means I HAVE TO FIND SOME).




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Posted: 9/25/2008 12:49 PM

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easton714 wrote:

1) Owning non-controlling interests in Modelo, Red Hook, and Widmer does not make the beers from those breweries A-B products, though.  They are minority shareholders (even the 50% share in Grupo Modelo is non-controlling).

2) I'll believe it when I taste it.  Every single other Michelob "craft" varietal has been pretty much a disaster.  Marzen?  Pale Ale?  Porter?  They have all been terrible.

In order to be successful in the craft ale market, they need to brew smaller batches, using better (and fresh, not processed) ingredients.  Their mass-production business model just doesn't work with these beer types.  There is a reason why tiny brewpubs can make great beer with minimal capital investment.  Ales are best prepared in small batches.  With fresh ingredients, a good brewmaster, and basic equipment, Joe Schmo can compete with (and beat) the mega-brewers.




1)  Very true.  And sorry I didn't mean to insinuate that they actually had a hand in the craft, just that they actually were minority owners (and maybe, as such, should've learned a thing or two by now).

2)  You are absolutely right.  They have all been awful.  But, given the new influence and apparently the renewed vigor that A-B has been showing in producing new beers, I figure I'll give this a shot just like American Ale.  I don't expect anything out of it, but it can hurt to try.

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Posted: 9/26/2008 2:33 PM

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kotheb wrote: Thanks for the post Easton.

I'm going to try and buy some tomorrow or Friday.  I'll put my thoughts here then too, but your post is about what I expected unfortunately.  I expected it to be all about color and not much about taste - the "look we made an amber ale!" pitch to consumers.

This only furthers the lack of credibility of the guy who said it was better than Fat Tire or Sam Adams...does he even know what real beer is?

VERY unfortunate on the price.  Maybe it'll be less expensive here in St. Louis (highly doubt it, but it doesn't hurt to think wishfully I suppose...)

I just got back from the grocery with a couple 6 packs of sam adams beer. I got the octoberfest and the pale ale. Both made me nautious. I'll tell you, if you want to "eat" your beer, then buy sam adams, otherwise, stick to things like "Killians Irish Red", Mich Amber Bock, Schlafly pale ale, and beers that do not make you feel like you are "eating" your beer. It was seriously some gross s.

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Posted: 9/26/2008 3:02 PM

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Killians?

For real?

You just need some practice, Phil.




EDIT:  I also have never understood the belief that darker ales are "chewy" or "thick" or need to be "eaten".  There is nothing whatsoever heavy about them...other than their color (which, I am sure, is where the idea comes from) and, perhaps, their higher alcohol content.

I could drink 10 pints of Guinness and not be any "fuller" than 10 pints of light beer.  In fact, Guinness has fewer calories per pint than Bud Light.




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Posted: 9/26/2008 3:24 PM

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philskill wrote:

I just got back from the grocery with a couple 6 packs of sam adams beer. I got the octoberfest and the pale ale. Both made me nautious. I'll tell you, if you want to "eat" your beer, then buy sam adams, otherwise, stick to things like "Killians Irish Red", Mich Amber Bock, Schlafly pale ale, and beers that do not make you feel like you are "eating" your beer. It was seriously some gross s.

To each his own

At least you like beer.  I have friends who don't like it at all and I just don't understand.  But, as I said, to each his own.

As for Sam Adams, I really like it.  Killians isn't bad, but it's not great.  Octoberfest (the Sam Adams version) is my "lucky" beer.  The only time I ever bought it was during the 2006 playoffs.  I liked it, we won while I was drinking it, so I drank it for every playoff game that year - nothing else.  And when we won, I retired my last bottle (still have it) and I won't drink it again until we get into the playoffs.  I know, stupid superstitions huh.

But really though, if you think Sam Adams is like eating your beer, there are many, many more you should steer clear of.  That isn't remotely as dark as some of the ones Easton and I have mentioned here.

I would recommend trying Sam Adams on tap (you may be a Sam Adams Light guy - which actually isn't an insult because it's still much better than a normal light beer).  Beer from the tap is so much better than in a bottle.  Maybe that will change your opinion.  Or not.  But, at least you know what you like, and that's all that matters.

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Posted: 9/26/2008 3:44 PM

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kotheb wrote:
philskill wrote:

I just got back from the grocery with a couple 6 packs of sam adams beer. I got the octoberfest and the pale ale. Both made me nautious. I'll tell you, if you want to "eat" your beer, then buy sam adams, otherwise, stick to things like "Killians Irish Red", Mich Amber Bock, Schlafly pale ale, and beers that do not make you feel like you are "eating" your beer. It was seriously some gross s.

To each his own

At least you like beer.  I have friends who don't like it at all and I just don't understand.  But, as I said, to each his own.

As for Sam Adams, I really like it.  Killians isn't bad, but it's not great.  Octoberfest (the Sam Adams version) is my "lucky" beer.  The only time I ever bought it was during the 2006 playoffs.  I liked it, we won while I was drinking it, so I drank it for every playoff game that year - nothing else.  And when we won, I retired my last bottle (still have it) and I won't drink it again until we get into the playoffs.  I know, stupid superstitions huh.

But really though, if you think Sam Adams is like eating your beer, there are many, many more you should steer clear of.  That isn't remotely as dark as some of the ones Easton and I have mentioned here.

I would recommend trying Sam Adams on tap (you may be a Sam Adams Light guy - which actually isn't an insult because it's still much better than a normal light beer).  Beer from the tap is so much better than in a bottle.  Maybe that will change your opinion.  Or not.  But, at least you know what you like, and that's all that matters.

I think what it is .....is that the taste of the beer while being decent.....just doesn't sit well in my stomach at all. IT really did make me nautious. And I have never heard the term "eating" your beer before, I thought I made that one up. It seemed extra thick. It would take me a week to drink 10 of them.....whereas I can put away 10 mich ambers or irish reds over the course of a 12 inning cardinal game.

I got thru half of the pale ale and started to feel sick.....later that night, same thing happened w/the octoberfest.....

Don't get me wrong, I like dark beer.....but I also like light beer. I like some microbrews as well as AB products. I think maybe because sam adams uses SO MUCH MORE hops i think it is than most breweries that my stomach just doesn't like that so much....

The extra alcahol is tolerable.....

Now anybody want to discuss some fine liquors....cognac? Tequila? etc?

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Posted: 9/26/2008 4:43 PM

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Easton - Thanks for the heads up on the Bud American Ale. You described it how I thought it might be. I was thinking about grabbing some if I found it...now I might just forget it and not waste the time and money.

Phil - I would hate to see your stomach on that Dogfish Head 90 or 120 Easton mentioned...that stuff packs some hops.

O'Fallon 5-Day IPA is a good session beer if you like hops. It has just the right dose for those who like IPA's.
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Posted: 9/26/2008 5:30 PM

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jtj82 wrote:

O'Fallon 5-Day IPA is a good session beer if you like hops. It has just the right dose for those who like IPA's.

Man, I need to get off my kick of drinking my fave beers (New Belgium) and start trying some more of these you guys have mentioned.  I think I might have a beer (or 6) tonight


And Phil, I actually pretty much hate hard liquor (on it's own at least - mixed it can be good).  I can't appreciate anything about it like other people can (the quality, taste, make-up, etc), so I wouldn't be a good person to talk about the hard stuff with.
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Posted: 9/26/2008 6:24 PM

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kotheb wrote:
jtj82 wrote:

O'Fallon 5-Day IPA is a good session beer if you like hops. It has just the right dose for those who like IPA's.

Man, I need to get off my kick of drinking my fave beers (New Belgium) and start trying some more of these you guys have mentioned.  I think I might have a beer (or 6) tonight


And Phil, I actually pretty much hate hard liquor (on it's own at least - mixed it can be good).  I can't appreciate anything about it like other people can (the quality, taste, make-up, etc), so I wouldn't be a good person to talk about the hard stuff with.

ahh...the good thing about hard liquor is.....you can take 1.5 ounces of it.....stimulate your senses of taste and smell......and put it down in one swallow if you prefer....but if your like me, you will take a very good Cognac for example and really savor that 1.5 ounces. I was eating at Kemolls a few days before we moved here, (I used to work there, and for those unfamiliar its a really fancy super expensive restaurant in downtown st louis.....35-60 bucks a meal type). Anyhow, I asked to "taste" some cognac, and Genie who works there and is a friend of my families brought us out (Me and my wife, cousin and her husband) some cognac....and I for the life of me can't remember what kind.  It was neat though, they had a wine glass with very hot water in it....and sitting on top of that glass was the glass of cognac. (For our complimentary tasting we recieved about 3 ounces each). Anyway, that was my first time trying Cognac, and I really wish I could remember the brand....I know that it was 18 dollars a shot on the kemolls menu. In any event, it was very good.....I could taste Cherry, Maple and other things in it.

My point is, a sam adams to me, is like drinking a 12 ounce bottle of cognac. The taste is nice.....but about halfway thru the drink (or in the case of cognac....3 ounces), your stomach (or my stomach) just can't do anymore and still feel relatively normal.

So when it comes to hard stuff, I never drink to get drunk. Beer however, I will drink until I have a solid buzz going....but that happens less than 5 times a year for me. Back to the hard stuff......A really good high end vodka, tequila or something of the like is more up my alley. A nice smooth silver patron.....thats always nice. Grey goose vodka on the rocks.....oh yea! Whatever kind of cognac i had at kemolls.....definitely enjoy it! The only thing that woulda topped off the night, is a cuban cigar......(which i smoked for the first time with my uncle a few days after my daughter was born.....there is an interesting back story on how he got them or gets them I should say, and if anyone is interested you can PM me.)

Sorry for rambling on here.....I am in the process of drinking right now.....

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Posted: 9/26/2008 8:26 PM

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jtj82 wrote: Easton - Thanks for the heads up on the Bud American Ale. You described it how I thought it might be. I was thinking about grabbing some if I found it...now I might just forget it and not waste the time and money.

Phil - I would hate to see your stomach on that Dogfish Head 90 or 120 Easton mentioned...that stuff packs some hops.

O'Fallon 5-Day IPA is a good session beer if you like hops. It has just the right dose for those who like IPA's.


Hops MAKE beer.  If a beer isn't hoppy (that is supposed to be) isn't, then I am not interested.

My garage fridge currently contains:

Dogfish Head Indian Brown Ale
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
Rogue Hazelnut Brown Ale
Rogue Dead Guy Ale
Rogue American Ale
Bell's Oberon Ale
Bell's Java Stout
Bell's Pale Ale
Mad Anthony Pale Ale
Mad Anthony IPA
Warbird Pale Ale
Warbird Wheat
Upland Dragonfly IPA
Sierra Nevada Anniversary Ale
Guinness Draught Cans
Young'd Double Chocolate Stout Cans
Bass Pale Ale
Red Hook ESB


I am actually equally, if not moreso, picky about rums...interestingly enough.  I have over 40 bottles in my collection...up to 40 years old.

 

EDIT:  Oh, I also have about 10 bottles of Tequila...about 7 of which are not sold in the U.S.  Authentic anejo tequilas are a thing of beauty.




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Posted: 9/27/2008 5:05 PM

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easton714 wrote:
jtj82 wrote: Easton - Thanks for the heads up on the Bud American Ale. You described it how I thought it might be. I was thinking about grabbing some if I found it...now I might just forget it and not waste the time and money.

Phil - I would hate to see your stomach on that Dogfish Head 90 or 120 Easton mentioned...that stuff packs some hops.

O'Fallon 5-Day IPA is a good session beer if you like hops. It has just the right dose for those who like IPA's.


Hops MAKE beer.  If a beer isn't hoppy (that is supposed to be) isn't, then I am not interested.

My garage fridge currently contains:

Dogfish Head Indian Brown Ale
Rogue Shakespeare Stout
Rogue Hazelnut Brown Ale
Rogue Dead Guy Ale
Rogue American Ale
Bell's Oberon Ale
Bell's Java Stout
Bell's Pale Ale
Mad Anthony Pale Ale
Mad Anthony IPA
Warbird Pale Ale
Warbird Wheat
Upland Dragonfly IPA
Sierra Nevada Anniversary Ale
Guinness Draught Cans
Young'd Double Chocolate Stout Cans
Bass Pale Ale
Red Hook ESB


I am actually equally, if not moreso, picky about rums...interestingly enough.  I have over 40 bottles in my collection...up to 40 years old.

 

EDIT:  Oh, I also have about 10 bottles of Tequila...about 7 of which are not sold in the U.S.  Authentic anejo tequilas are a thing of beauty.


You are quite the beverage fan! I'll tell you, alcahol is not my strong suit.....I enjoy a few things, but have not went out and tried hundreds of different kinds of liquor as you have. 40 different kinds of rum? Wow! Have you tried them all?

 Can I ask you a personal question? Are you an alcaholic?

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Posted: 9/27/2008 8:22 PM

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philskill wrote:

You are quite the beverage fan! I'll tell you, alcahol is not my strong suit.....I enjoy a few things, but have not went out and tried hundreds of different kinds of liquor as you have. 40 different kinds of rum? Wow! Have you tried them all?

 Can I ask you a personal question? Are you an alcaholic?
No, I am not an alcoholic.  I simply like good beer.  Bad/cheap beer isn't worth my time.  My wife is actually every bit the beer connoisseur that I am.  We actually choose restaurants based on their beer list as opposed to their wine list.

As for the rum, the collection started because I do business all over the Caribbean and Central America.  Between traveling and gifts from clients, I have amassed a sizeable collection.  I have tried most of them.  Some are more for collection purposes.




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