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Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help

Posted: 10/12/2012 7:58 AM

Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help 


Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help. His motion places to much pressure/strain on is arm.
He does not use is body. His arm/hand goes so far behind his head, "strange" injuries will continue to occur to his shoulded/elbow.
Maybe, he should start back as a reliever (as Lance Lynn/Joe Miller, etc)
$27Mill wasted....

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WASHINGTON
• Lefthander Jaime Garcia consulted with New York orthopedic surgeon David Altchek on Thursday, informing him recent discomfort in his left shoulder has manifested itself in ways different from what forced Garcia to the disabled list in June.

Garcia, who was removed from the playoffs shortly after lasting only two innings in his Game 2 start against the Washington Nationals, said no decision has yet been made about whether to pursue surgery and that he may pursue an additional consultation with Dr. James Andrews.

"It's my shoulder and ultimately the decision is mine what to do," Garcia said shortly after the Cardinals' loss in Game 4 of the National League division series. "I don't have that answer yet."

Garcia traveled to New York early Thursday morning and returned shortly before Thursday afternoon's start. He met briefly with general manager John Mozeliak and team medical supervisor Dr. George Paletta. Garcia said he needed to speak further with his agent, Melvin Roman.

"Nothing's done yet," Garcia said. "I need to think about things some more and talk to my agent. I might decide to get another opinion. Right now, I'm not sure."

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Posted: 10/12/2012 8:16 AM

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Lotta conjecture there...
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Posted: 10/12/2012 9:31 AM

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hardheaded wrote:

Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help. His motion places to much pressure/strain on is arm.
He does not use is body. His arm/hand goes so far behind his head, "strange" injuries will continue to occur to his shoulded/elbow.
Maybe, he should start back as a reliever (as Lance Lynn/Joe Miller, etc)
$27Mill wasted....

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WASHINGTON
• Lefthander Jaime Garcia consulted with New York orthopedic surgeon David Altchek on Thursday, informing him recent discomfort in his left shoulder has manifested itself in ways different from what forced Garcia to the disabled list in June.

Garcia, who was removed from the playoffs shortly after lasting only two innings in his Game 2 start against the Washington Nationals, said no decision has yet been made about whether to pursue surgery and that he may pursue an additional consultation with Dr. James Andrews.

"It's my shoulder and ultimately the decision is mine what to do," Garcia said shortly after the Cardinals' loss in Game 4 of the National League division series. "I don't have that answer yet."

Garcia traveled to New York early Thursday morning and returned shortly before Thursday afternoon's start. He met briefly with general manager John Mozeliak and team medical supervisor Dr. George Paletta. Garcia said he needed to speak further with his agent, Melvin Roman.

"Nothing's done yet," Garcia said. "I need to think about things some more and talk to my agent. I might decide to get another opinion. Right now, I'm not sure."

That sounds ike a player who was advised he needed surgery but doesn't really want to.
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Posted: 10/12/2012 11:28 AM

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It might be 27 million wasted but it was a 4 year deal. I already know where this is going. Yes we could have used the Jaime money to sign Lohse but at the time of the signing you have to look at who the bigger sure thing was.

If he goes under I'd expect him to miss the 1st half of next year. So who do we look at because you know Mo will look internally for a solution. Kelly, Scrabble, Rosenthal.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 12:49 PM

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hardheaded wrote:

Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help. His motion places to much pressure/strain on is arm.
He does not use is body. His arm/hand goes so far behind his head, "strange" injuries will continue to occur to his shoulded/elbow.
Maybe, he should start back as a reliever (as Lance Lynn/Joe Miller, etc)
$27Mill wasted....

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WASHINGTON
• Lefthander Jaime Garcia consulted with New York orthopedic surgeon David Altchek on Thursday, informing him recent discomfort in his left shoulder has manifested itself in ways different from what forced Garcia to the disabled list in June.

Garcia, who was removed from the playoffs shortly after lasting only two innings in his Game 2 start against the Washington Nationals, said no decision has yet been made about whether to pursue surgery and that he may pursue an additional consultation with Dr. James Andrews.

"It's my shoulder and ultimately the decision is mine what to do," Garcia said shortly after the Cardinals' loss in Game 4 of the National League division series. "I don't have that answer yet."

Garcia traveled to New York early Thursday morning and returned shortly before Thursday afternoon's start. He met briefly with general manager John Mozeliak and team medical supervisor Dr. George Paletta. Garcia said he needed to speak further with his agent, Melvin Roman.

"Nothing's done yet," Garcia said. "I need to think about things some more and talk to my agent. I might decide to get another opinion. Right now, I'm not sure."

Yeah cause you know sooooo much about throwing motions for pitches... blah2blah2blah2blah2blah2blah2blah2
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Posted: 10/17/2012 9:56 AM

His throwing motion is obvious 


His throwing motion is obvious...

it puts significant strain on every major joint in his arm (shoulder/elbow to be descript).....

I have never seen a motion like that in a successful starting pitcher, ever.....

he's had significant down-time two years in a row.....with multiple stints on the DL....he’s already had Tommy John, now considering shoulder work….

his throwing velocity is always very low...his game is all deception (change in speeds which makes up for his limited throwing velocity..)

once Garcia comes back
(and his contract is the only reason that he would be considered, again),
he needs to work in short relief...

he simply can't think relieving is "beneath his abilities”...obviously he need to get stronger as his defective motion puts significant strain on his small stature....which results in another trip the disabled list…

....his motion is worse than a catchers motion

(deep behind his ear... to describe)

 

27Mill gift….

 

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Posted: 10/17/2012 6:17 PM

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I'm no expert but you can tell he doesn't power drive his pitches.  He has more arm whip than any pitcher I've ever seen, and I think this makes him more of an arm thrower.     

I think you are correct in that it would be in his best interest to learn to power drive and use more hip and less arm.
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Posted: 10/17/2012 6:36 PM

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I actually agree about Garcia's delivery.
I am actually surprised that adjustments were not made during his throwing rehab after TJS.

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Posted: 10/17/2012 7:58 PM

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I wouldn't know one way or the other by watching his delivery. But I do think there are folks in the organization who know. He was signed to a multi-year deal, so how flawed could it be?
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Posted: 10/17/2012 8:56 PM

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Just my opinion, but he's probably thrown that way for a long time.  It's tough to change something like that after doing it for so long...at the elite level.  Who knows if he could even make it work or how long it would take.  Could he go back if things didn't work, I don't know.

I don't know the details behind the change, but look what happened to B. Zito when he changed his mechanics.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 12:31 PM

like i said 


"Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help

Garcia's throwing motion is flawed & surgery will not help. His motion places to much pressure/strain on is arm.
He does not use is body. His arm/hand goes so far behind his head, "strange" injuries will continue to occur to his shoulded/elbow.
Maybe, he should start back as a reliever (as Lance Lynn/Joe Miller, etc)
$27Mill wasted...."

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Posted: 2/15/2013 1:51 PM

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Whats the word on Jaime anyway?  Is he okay heading into spring training?

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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:02 PM

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They say he looks perfectly healthy but of course it cant last because of a flawed delivery (where is that sarcasm button?)
RatsBuddy wrote:

Whats the word on Jaime anyway?  Is he okay heading into spring training?

Rat

“Make sure you have a different opinion and people will talk about you”

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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:21 PM

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If I was in a pool as to when he goes on the DL and then surgery, I'd want mid May.
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Posted: 2/15/2013 2:29 PM

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Hope i am wrong but i think that may be a little optimistic Nate. I am glad they persuaded him not pitch in the WBC but that tells me right there that they think he is too fragile to pitch even a few extra innings. Cards have a terrible time diagnosing injuries to pitchers so i am betting this guy does not see opening day. Oh yeah when it does happen the team will claim it has nothing to do with his injury last year, as if they had zero idea he was compromised. Mark my words! If Jaime can make it healthy he could be a real wild card for St.Louis pitching but i have a bad feeling about this. Too bad but it is time to prepare for life w/o Carp, Garcia and Lohse in the rotation possibly for good.

GO CARDS!
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Posted: 2/15/2013 3:06 PM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote: If I was in a pool as to when he goes on the DL and then surgery, I'd want mid May.

Right in time for Trevor Rosenthal to shift from the bullpen to the rotation due to innings constraints!  cool
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Posted: 5/21/2013 11:43 AM

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well,
Garcia is on the DL again (Shoulder), and it's not even June, yet...

this is causing the Cards to tax their farm system,
and on the other side (of the discussion), possibly will stunt/block Wacha's growth.....(both Westbrook/Garcia contacts)
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Posted: 5/21/2013 12:14 PM

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Poor Jaime. There's always something wrong. We argued he was mentally weak (pitching splits) and we still argue he is physically weak (pitching motion). But if you ask me: $#&@ happens. Hope he gets better and figures it out. There will be plenty of guys campaigning for his spot in the rotation while he is gone.
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Posted: 5/21/2013 12:21 PM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote: If I was in a pool as to when he goes on the DL and then surgery, I'd want mid May.

Well, Nate, you were right about the DL date.  Still to be seen about whether surgery is forthcoming.
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Posted: 5/21/2013 12:54 PM

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His shoulder gave out. It happens. This latest injury isn't the result of his throwing motion, it's a result of not getting his shoulder properly cared for last season. Guys can't just rehab these types of problems. It never works, especially for a young guy. If Jaime was at the end of his career he could probably push through rehabbing the injury and making some adjustments. By not getting the surgery he just prolonged the inevitable, which I would suspect to be an upcoming shoulder surgery.

The money isn't too big of a deal, since insurance will likely cover most of Jaime's salary. Who knows how long this will keep Jaime out. As a fan, I generally expect a year and a half to two years for a pitcher to fully return from a shoulder injury, but that can vary. On the plus, Jaime is still only 26 and, as mentioned, he's not a velocity guy. He'll just need to cross his fingers and hope he doesn't fall into a Mark Mulder situation and the injury won't allow him to get his shoulder into the proper arm slot to throw his changeup and breaking ball.

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