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Baseball America top 20 prospects by league

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Posted: 9/24/2012 4:23 PM

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Here is the link to their schedule. Arizona League was first today, with GCL coming tomorrow (Tuesday).
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Posted: 9/24/2012 5:39 PM

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Brewers and Dodgers with only one top 20 apiece. These clubs have really spent their prospects on trades for the MLB clubs.

GO CARDS!
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Posted: 9/24/2012 6:23 PM

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I would think Steve Bean will get some consideration for the GCL's top 20 prospect list.

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Posted: 9/25/2012 4:14 PM

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For the GCL Steve Bean is #11. In the chat Ben Badler stated that "Bean's arm is his best tool and while power is his weakest".

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ran kings/league-top-20-prospects/2012/2614082.html
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:11 PM

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Appalachian League:
#9: Victor DeLeon
#13: Carson Kelly
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Posted: 9/26/2012 2:26 PM

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Good call on Bean. I didn't think he had been there that long.

DeLeon is one we don't want to forget. I saw him pitch three times this year and he was 94-96 and touched 97. Yet he struck out most batters on a breaking pitch. I talked to a scout and he was high on DeLeon and Tuivalala. DeLeon got hit hardest on his fastball but in the last game I saw him pitch he had added a sinking action on the fastball with good results. 6-2, 190.
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Posted: 9/26/2012 3:46 PM

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SoonerinNC wrote: Good call on Bean. I didn't think he had been there that long.

DeLeon is one we don't want to forget. I saw him pitch three times this year and he was 94-96 and touched 97. Yet he struck out most batters on a breaking pitch. I talked to a scout and he was high on DeLeon and Tuivalala. DeLeon got hit hardest on his fastball but in the last game I saw him pitch he had added a sinking action on the fastball with good results. 6-2, 190.

Question for De Leon coming into the season was his control which he's showed some progression with it not from the statistical stand point but threw more strikes. De Leon has much improved breaking stuff as well that slider showed more swing and miss ability this season and the curve still has it's moments. Victor is labeled as a "big arm" by scouts and they seem him as a potential back end of the bullpen type reliever.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 7:25 AM

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Thanks for fleshing out the DeLeon info.  Appreciate it.  He was under my radar.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 1:35 PM

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Scouting reports from BA on Bean, DeLeon, and Kelly:

Bean:
"The Cardinals initially sent Bean, a supplemental first-round pick, to the Rookie-level Appalachian League after he signed for $700,000. He stumbled in Johnson City, hitting .125/.263/.213 in 24 games and struggling to make contact, but rebounded when he went down to the GCL.

Bean impressed GCL observers with his offensive and defensive potential. He has a good idea of the strike zone for a young hitter, makes consistent hard contact and understands how to use the middle of the field. His power is below average now, but he has good strength through his forearms and his lower half and could develop into a home run threat in the future.

Bean's arm grades as a 65 on the 20-80 scouting scale. His receiving skills are still a work in progress and he butchered a few balls in the GCL, but he has good mobility behind the plate and projects as a solid receiver. While he's a below-average runner, he's athletic for a catcher and plays with a lot of energy."

DeLeon:
"DeLeon has arm strength comparable to the league's other top international pitchers, Cabrera and Osuna. He has the most pro experience of the trio—he signed as a 17-year-old in 2009—but also the highest walk rate of the group. DeLeon missed two weeks in July with shoulder soreness but showed no ill effects in a strong playoff start.

DeLeon touches 98 mph and regularly works at 92-95 with his fastball. He also throws a low-80s slider with plus velocity and lateral tilt. He hasn't refined his command or his feel for a changeup, which could mean that his future is as a late-inning reliever rather than as a starter."

Kelly:
"The Cardinals made Kelly the first Oregon high school player taken in the first three rounds of the draft since Steve Bechler in 1998. He signed for $1.6 million, the highest bonus amount of the second round, and reported to Johnson City, where he smacked nine home runs despite hitting just .221.

Part of Kelly's struggles to hit for average can be attributed to his youth, as he turned 18 in mid-July. Johnson City manager Oliver Marmol said that Kelly, given his amateur background, struggled with the speed of the game initially. "He still could hit a good fastball," Marmol said, "but this was his first time seeing spin and good changeups, so it took him a while to get used to seeing them and laying off."

Kelly showcases a solid line-drive stroke and enough loft to drive the ball for long hits. He uses a quiet hitting setup without a lot of movement, though some don't like that he moves his hands up and down as a timing mechanism to start his swing. Kelly doesn't run well and won't be more than playable at the hot corner if he doesn't enhance his lateral quickness, but he compensates to a degree with good hands and above-average arm strength."
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Posted: 9/27/2012 1:40 PM

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i dont understand how BA can put together a list for appy league prospects and leave off silfredo garcia (total stud) and adam ehrlich (ok, maybe could be a dark horse for top 20, but he needed mentioning)
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Posted: 10/1/2012 5:30 PM

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NY-Penn League top 20 list on BA.

They picked Patrick Wisdom at #6, Tim Cooney at #19, and Breyvic Valera at #20.

Valera got some effusive praise from one BA source, but BA sees his ceiling as a everyday 2B and utility player. Don't think he has the arm strength and range to be a SS.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/ran kings/league-top-20-prospects/2012/2614118.html

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Posted: 10/1/2012 7:11 PM

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Thanks, DT.  Impressive debut on the list for Wisdom.  I think I need to take a closer look....
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Posted: 10/1/2012 9:18 PM

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Scouting reports on NYP players Wisdom, Cooney, and Valera

Wisdom:
"After a strong sophomore season at St. Mary's, Wisdom led the summer Alaska League in homers and generated first-round buzz. Many scouts continued to believe in him even after he slumped to .262 as a junior this spring, and the Cardinals took him with the No. 52 overall pick. He impressed NY-P observers with his all-around game in his strong pro debut.

Wisdom has a sound righthanded swing but gets in trouble at times when he tries to muscle up. If his approach continues to mature, he can be an average hitter and tap into his plus raw power. He's also a good athlete with fringy speed, though he isn't a basestealer.

Wisdom's range, instincts and actions give him a chance to be a plus defender at third base. His above-average arm is accurate, helping him make some very difficult plays to his right."

Cooney:
"Cooney wasn't quite as good this spring as he was during a standout sophomore year at Wake Forest, but he still showed enough feel for a solid four-pitch mix to get drafted in the third round. He was characteristically steady during his pro debut, though he started to feel some effects of fatigue from a long season.

Cooney has a durable frame, a sound delivery and average or slightly better stuff across the board. His fastball sits at 88-92 mph and bumps 93 and plays up because of a quality changeup that induces weak contact from righthanders. His upper-70s curveball has 1-to-7 break and decent depth, and his 82-85 mph cutter/slider gives him a fourth weapon.

"He just pitched to contact and really threw us," Graham said. "You can tell he's a competitor. He wants to be out there throwing and he works quick.""

Valera:
"Valera hit .397 in 73 Appalachian League at-bats in his 2011 U.S. debut, and he continued to thrive in the NY-P. He didn't turn 20 until Aug. 1, but he played with a maturity well above his years.

"I liked him a ton," Auburn manager Gary Cathcart said. "There is no heartbeat. He just plays under so control, it's almost effortless. He hits righthanded, lefthanded, plays second base, shortstop. He has a tremendous clock in his head on defense and he can run. He was the one guy in our division that looked to me like you could have put him in Triple-A this year and it wouldn't have bothered him a bit."

Valera handles the bat very well from both sides, hitting .292 against righties and blitzing lefties to the tune of .411 this summer. He has a natural ability to square up hard liners into the gaps and he has good pitch recognition. He lacks home run power, but he profiles as a tablesetter with solid to plus speed.

He's an instinctive defender who takes good angles and has smooth actions. He has an average arm for second base, and he filled in adequately at shortstop when Alex Mejia got hurt late in the summer. As he adds some strength and gains more experience, Valera could grow into an everyday second baseman or a valuable utilityman in the big leagues."
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Posted: 10/1/2012 9:28 PM

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waltdub wrote: Scouting reports on NYP players Wisdom, Cooney, and Valera

Wisdom:
"After a strong sophomore season at St. Mary's, Wisdom led the summer Alaska League in homers and generated first-round buzz. Many scouts continued to believe in him even after he slumped to .262 as a junior this spring, and the Cardinals took him with the No. 52 overall pick. He impressed NY-P observers with his all-around game in his strong pro debut.

Wisdom has a sound righthanded swing but gets in trouble at times when he tries to muscle up. If his approach continues to mature, he can be an average hitter and tap into his plus raw power. He's also a good athlete with fringy speed, though he isn't a basestealer.

Wisdom's range, instincts and actions give him a chance to be a plus defender at third base. His above-average arm is accurate, helping him make some very difficult plays to his right."

Cooney:
"Cooney wasn't quite as good this spring as he was during a standout sophomore year at Wake Forest, but he still showed enough feel for a solid four-pitch mix to get drafted in the third round. He was characteristically steady during his pro debut, though he started to feel some effects of fatigue from a long season.

Cooney has a durable frame, a sound delivery and average or slightly better stuff across the board. His fastball sits at 88-92 mph and bumps 93 and plays up because of a quality changeup that induces weak contact from righthanders. His upper-70s curveball has 1-to-7 break and decent depth, and his 82-85 mph cutter/slider gives him a fourth weapon.

"He just pitched to contact and really threw us," Graham said. "You can tell he's a competitor. He wants to be out there throwing and he works quick.""

Valera:
"Valera hit .397 in 73 Appalachian League at-bats in his 2011 U.S. debut, and he continued to thrive in the NY-P. He didn't turn 20 until Aug. 1, but he played with a maturity well above his years.

"I liked him a ton," Auburn manager Gary Cathcart said. "There is no heartbeat. He just plays under so control, it's almost effortless. He hits righthanded, lefthanded, plays second base, shortstop. He has a tremendous clock in his head on defense and he can run. He was the one guy in our division that looked to me like you could have put him in Triple-A this year and it wouldn't have bothered him a bit."

Valera handles the bat very well from both sides, hitting .292 against righties and blitzing lefties to the tune of .411 this summer. He has a natural ability to square up hard liners into the gaps and he has good pitch recognition. He lacks home run power, but he profiles as a tablesetter with solid to plus speed.

He's an instinctive defender who takes good angles and has smooth actions. He has an average arm for second base, and he filled in adequately at shortstop when Alex Mejia got hurt late in the summer. As he adds some strength and gains more experience, Valera could grow into an everyday second baseman or a valuable utilityman in the big leagues."
I've heard Cooney has excellent pitching mechanics and he repeats them consistently that will help him as he develops through the system.
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Posted: 10/1/2012 11:01 PM

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good read, thanx waltdub
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Posted: 10/2/2012 8:50 AM

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Valera's scouting report is a lot better than his ranking. But not a suprise with all of the first and second round picks and the high dollar international players.

A little suprised at Wisdon being picked this high. But he did have a good first season.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 9:25 AM

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Good stuff Walt.  Thanks

Wisdom blocking Kelly in the future?
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:27 PM

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I thought our community was a little hasty in picking Carson Kelly 10th best prospect until he moves up a level or two. Robert Stock is a prime example, and he hit .322 with 7 homers and was rated 10th best prospect by Baseball America in 2009. Yet, as we know, he has been converted to a pitcher as he failed to hit as he moved up the ladder. Wisdom is a bit older and may well get a shot before Kelly. I'm not down on Kelly, but there's a long way to go for him to be rated that high in my opinion.
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Posted: 10/2/2012 12:29 PM

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being 17 and hitting professional HR's has an effect obviously :)
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Posted: 10/2/2012 1:10 PM

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waltdub wrote: Scouting reports from BA on Bean, DeLeon, and Kelly:

Kelly showcases a solid line-drive stroke and enough loft to drive the ball for long hits. He uses a quiet hitting setup without a lot of movement, though some don't like that he moves his hands up and down as a timing mechanism to start his swing. Kelly doesn't run well and won't be more than playable at the hot corner if he doesn't enhance his lateral quickness, but he compensates to a degree with good hands and above-average arm strength."
Sounds like a kid whose future is at first base, if he makes it to the high minors and/or majors. In fact, he sounds quite a bit like Pujols with that comment of moving his hands up and down as a timing mechanism.
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