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RE: 2013 Cardinal Nation Community Prospect Voting Thread

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Posted: 11/27/2012 7:57 AM

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Gorgen @ 50

The guy strikes people out.  He was able to make it to AAA this year after missing all of 2011 and a chunk of 2010 due to what eventually led to Tommy John surgery.  He's healthy now and had decent results even though 2012 was him working to get back to where he was prior to being hurt.

His K/9 was right at 9.0, yep a batter an inning.  In the even he's destined for the pen, he had a K/9 of 15.3 when pitching out of relief this past year eek  That was 19 Ks in a little over 11 innings.  

I think we'll see him in the majors at some point.  This isn't just a crafty guy in the mid minors, Gorgen has a great change up that is a true major league out pitch and sets it up with a decent fastball.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 8:38 AM

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#50 Heath Wyatt
89.1 IP in two years, 87 K, WHIP of 1.14, 28 saves..Plus he is a submariner coming from down low.

Posted: 11/27/2012 8:44 AM

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Gorgen
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Posted: 11/27/2012 8:48 AM

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Really struggling over this selection. Rahmatulla, O'Shea and Ferrara all belong on the list. I pass on Gorgen and Wyatt. I like reliever Aiden Lucas better than those two. He did a very nice job for PB. He was hitting mid 90's and has done well at every level. I look for him to move to Springfield bullpen next yr.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 9:58 AM

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why the gorgen hate?

the guy succeeds at the highest level. i looked through past lists and other than 2011 when he was injured, he has been good every yr in the organization. yet he didnt get any recognition then either really.

did he say something to alienate card fans or is there another reason he gets all the disdain?

you all wanna talk about potential in players, but there is a difference between measuring up to potential and actually succeeding at the highest level in the minor leagues. ask jon edwards, niko vazquez or any of the multitude of other supposed high ceiling guys that wished they can even achieve what gorgen has.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 10:07 AM

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I'm going to go with O'Shea here

Really torn between him, Lance, and Gorgen
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Posted: 11/27/2012 12:50 PM

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Jumping on the O'Shea bandwagon at fiddy

Posted: 11/27/2012 12:53 PM

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I'm going to go with O'Shea here

Really torn between him, Lance, and Gorgen

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Let me offer Rob's post into evidence as Exhibits A,B and C as to why our Top 50 Prospect list needs to be expanded to a Top 60 list this year. Special circumstances many times require special adjustments. With the Cardinal farm system teeming with quality young talents, selecting only 50 players simply does not cut the mustard. Let's do 60!
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Posted: 11/27/2012 1:54 PM

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I'm up for that, nothing else to do but wait for Spring Training.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:15 PM

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Gorgon might be struggling for support due to the ERA over 4.00 and WHIP over 1.300.

His second year back pitching after TJ should be better. If he can have anything like the 2010 he was having before getting injured he should be well up the list next year. Unless he's pitching for somebody else, that is.

Posted: 11/27/2012 2:17 PM

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Gorgon(3)  Cardzzilla,DeSmet,Sooner

O'Shea (4) DTFush,Beef,DiscDog,cflood

TRahm(2) LouisEU,Magnolia

Jeffries (1)  HighJump

The other Rasmus(2) Bling,Pugs

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Posted: 11/27/2012 2:33 PM

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I like Rahmatulla, but with the momentum toward O'Shea, who I also like a lot, I'll go O'Shea for #50

Posted: 11/27/2012 3:21 PM

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Gorgen was dominant before his injury and closed strong in 2012, his first year back. We have Maness at #14 and Whiting at #25. Gorgen's stuff is very similar to them. Why the great differential?

If he wasn't an effective pitcher then why would Shildt put him out there in a crucial playoff situation. He had other options.
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Posted: 11/27/2012 3:40 PM

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Welp I'm barking up the wrong tree with Jeffries it seems. I'm changing my vote to the guy I had right after him on my list with O'Shea

adding to cflood's tabulation:

Gorgon(3) Cardzzilla,DeSmet,Sooner

O'Shea (6) DTFush,Beef,DiscDog,cflood, UncleDenny, HighJump

TRahm(2) LouisEU,Magnolia

The other Rasmus(2) Bling,Pugs

HeathWyatt(1) GM4Aday
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Posted: 11/27/2012 5:00 PM

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I had voted Gorgon at about 44 and 45, I think, and went away from him because he was not getting votes from anywhere but me.

I'll go back to Gorgon for #50.


are we extending past 50 to take us through at least part of December? I would like to, but I know I'm not doing any of the heavy lifting here. I would like to thank those of you who  have kept this thing moving. Great job! Thanks again!  biggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin
No negative waves man!

Posted: 11/27/2012 6:07 PM

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Gorgen and I support Pugsley's motion to keep the voting going.

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Posted: 11/27/2012 6:47 PM

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I have suggested that the voting continue as long as we minimum of 10-12 voters still  interested and stilll voting.   Bling will provide more guidance soon.

Posted: 11/27/2012 7:15 PM

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Cody Stanley totally off everyone's prospect radar?

Posted: 11/27/2012 7:37 PM

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I agree Carioca

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Posted: 11/27/2012 7:48 PM

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CariocaCardinal wrote: Cody Stanley totally off everyone's prospect radar?

I haven't paid much attention to him this year post suspension or during the AFL but until he shows that he's performing playing full time again off the juice I would said yes he's off the radar.  It's a testament to our system that a solid catcher and good leader according to teammates.
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