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Re: 2013 Cardinal Nation Community Prospect Voting Thread

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Posted: 11/5/2012 5:47 AM

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I was outside this weekend, sorry

#35 Audry Perez
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Posted: 11/5/2012 7:47 AM

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AFL hitting coach Kruzel talked about 3 guys still on the board. Walsh-swinging well from both sides, playing RF and 2B. O'Neill-pesky hitter, line drives, playing CF LF. Stanley-good D, calls good game, timing off at the plate probably due to lack of reps. Also talked about the other Cards playing AFL. Thanks to Brian Walton for the audio interview.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 8:18 AM

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#35 O'Neill
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:24 AM

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Re Ehrlich/ Bean always a conflict between doing well at higher levels and showing more tools at lower levels.
Beef16 wrote: Seth Blair at #34.
I am hoping the huge jump he has made in the AFL is permanent. His control still needs some improvement but he is light years ahead of two years ago.


Am I the only one who has Ehrlich just above Bean for right now?
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Posted: 11/5/2012 9:38 AM

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I took from the Kruzel interview that Walsh is being groomed to play multiple positions, but has played more in RF. I question whether he has upside as a regular, and profiles as a utility man. I still have him on my list, but in the 40's range. O'Neill is more of a LF guy, and has no power. He's a tough case because he sure can hit, but is already going to be 25 in Feb. Again, perhaps in the 40's for me. I invite everybody to take a look at Keith Butler. He now has a career total of 215 K's in 171 innings. He successfully moved up to Springfield, where he went 5-1 with a 2.76 ERA and opponents hit only .214 vs. him. He also had 25 saves, though he doesn't profile as a closer.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:23 AM

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UncleDenny wrote: I took from the Kruzel interview that Walsh is being groomed to play multiple positions, but has played more in RF. I question whether he has upside as a regular, and profiles as a utility man. I still have him on my list, but in the 40's range. O'Neill is more of a LF guy, and has no power. He's a tough case because he sure can hit, but is already going to be 25 in Feb. Again, perhaps in the 40's for me. I invite everybody to take a look at Keith Butler. He now has a career total of 215 K's in 171 innings. He successfully moved up to Springfield, where he went 5-1 with a 2.76 ERA and opponents hit only .214 vs. him. He also had 25 saves, though he doesn't profile as a closer.

I agree with your take on Walsh and O'Neill, and I think I will shift away from Walsh for a few spots. 

I looked at Butler, but shied away because of what I thought were disturbing adverse moves in many of his stats for AA compared to before.  ERA, WHIP, FIP, H/9, HR/9, BA SLG OPS against,  all saw a substantial jump.  I'm no expert, but thought that it stood out.

Due to lack of compelling position players, I do want to give extra consideration to pitchers at advanced levels, and I'm thinking of going with Rondon and then Butler soon. Does anyone have thoughts about Rondon's chances of showing up in St. Louis, or was it just a move to hold on to him?

Posted: 11/5/2012 10:49 AM

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blingboy wrote:
UncleDenny wrote: I took from the Kruzel interview that Walsh is being groomed to play multiple positions, but has played more in RF. I question whether he has upside as a regular, and profiles as a utility man. I still have him on my list, but in the 40's range. O'Neill is more of a LF guy, and has no power. He's a tough case because he sure can hit, but is already going to be 25 in Feb. Again, perhaps in the 40's for me. I invite everybody to take a look at Keith Butler. He now has a career total of 215 K's in 171 innings. He successfully moved up to Springfield, where he went 5-1 with a 2.76 ERA and opponents hit only .214 vs. him. He also had 25 saves, though he doesn't profile as a closer.

I agree with your take on Walsh and O'Neill, and I think I will shift away from Walsh for a few spots. 

I looked at Butler, but shied away because of what I thought were disturbing adverse moves in many of his stats for AA compared to before.  ERA, WHIP, FIP, H/9, HR/9, BA SLG OPS against,  all saw a substantial jump.  I'm no expert, but thought that it stood out.

Due to lack of compelling position players, I do want to give extra consideration to pitchers at advanced levels, and I'm thinking of going with Rondon and then Butler soon. Does anyone have thoughts about Rondon's chances of showing up in St. Louis, or was it just a move to hold on to him?
For me O'Neill's extreme OBP gets him to MLB if he can field his position.  I've not seen opinions pulling me in either direction in that regard.  Walsh's bat has been neutralized in the AFL which has dampened my enthusiasm for his cause.  He's too old to have a slump.

I'm like Blinger.  I was very high on Butler last year; but his stats have been, simply, very good in Springfield in his most recent season.  And disappointing to me.  I think he will make it to St. Louis but I no longer see him as an impact reliever who has me thinking GO (Game Over!) when he pitches.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 10:59 AM

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Butler had a good, if not spectacular season, when you consider the TL is a hitter's league, and could well advance to Memphis next season. I can't recall seeing how hard he throws, but the K's and avg. vs. and e.r.a. are all positives. HR's allowed could have to do with the TL parks.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 11:46 AM

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I hadn't factored in Texas League vs Florida State. Good point.

Posted: 11/5/2012 12:00 PM

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MagnoliaCardFan wrote:
Walsh's bat has been neutralized in the AFL which has dampened my enthusiasm for his cause.  He's too old to have a slump.


My God, he has hits in 8 out of 10 games.   He is younger and with less experience than about 90% of the players in the AFL.   and can you say SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.!?
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Posted: 11/5/2012 12:28 PM

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blingboy wrote:
UncleDenny wrote: I took from the Kruzel interview that Walsh is being groomed to play multiple positions, but has played more in RF. I question whether he has upside as a regular, and profiles as a utility man. I still have him on my list, but in the 40's range. O'Neill is more of a LF guy, and has no power. He's a tough case because he sure can hit, but is already going to be 25 in Feb. Again, perhaps in the 40's for me. I invite everybody to take a look at Keith Butler. He now has a career total of 215 K's in 171 innings. He successfully moved up to Springfield, where he went 5-1 with a 2.76 ERA and opponents hit only .214 vs. him. He also had 25 saves, though he doesn't profile as a closer.

I agree with your take on Walsh and O'Neill, and I think I will shift away from Walsh for a few spots. 
i cant vote walsh til 40s due to his defense being so bad.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 1:01 PM

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Tyler Lyons a prospect?  Where do people think he may fall in these rankings, he had a pretty fair season last year.

Kenny Peoples-Walls was doing pretty fair before his injury, he should becoming up also

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Posted: 11/5/2012 1:13 PM

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Ehrlich at #35 for this guy

Posted: 11/5/2012 3:26 PM

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CariocaCardinal wrote:
MagnoliaCardFan wrote:
Walsh's bat has been neutralized in the AFL which has dampened my enthusiasm for his cause.  He's too old to have a slump.


My God, he has hits in 8 out of 10 games.   He is younger and with less experience than about 90% of the players in the AFL.   and can you say SMALL SAMPLE SIZE.!?
The small sample size argument has two sides to it--he could also do worse with more exposure.  As I see it, he's a 23-yr-old, former college player who's had one outstanding season out of three at the A- level; and his primary position is DH.  If his bat is not outstanding, where does he fit on an NL roster?



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Posted: 11/5/2012 3:48 PM

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I was hoping I could locate news from the draft, and I did. Regarding LH pitcher Ben O'Shea, the remarks are: "O'Shea should be a tough sign as he turned down a 10th round deal with the White Sox last year. The junior played at Tampa this spring where he flashed a low 90s fastball but below average off-speed pitches. He posted a 2.34 ERA with 73 strikeouts and 13 walks in 92.1 innings. O'Shea has a big league body, standing 6 foot 6 and weighing in at 250 pounds."
I think a big lefty with good control and fair velocity should be on our radar. Hopefully his off-speed pitches can be developed. He just turned 21 on Sept. 9.

Also, outfielder Matthew Young is an athletic outfielder drafted in the 20th round, and thought to have been a steal in that round. Granted, he didn't have a great year at Batavia, but I have a feeling he could be a "sleeper".
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Posted: 11/5/2012 3:59 PM

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We had a center fielder draft and a third baseman draft.

Seems like we need a middle infielder draft, although more power in any form factor would be good.

Posted: 11/5/2012 4:10 PM

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DiscDogRob wrote: We had a center fielder draft and a third baseman draft.

Seems like we need a middle infielder draft, although more power in any form factor would be good.
Note that Koz, Tyler Greene, and Wong were recent 1st-round picks.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 4:10 PM

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DiscDogRob wrote: We had a center fielder draft and a third baseman draft.

Seems like we need a middle infielder draft, although more power in any form factor would be good.

Another way of looking at it is nobody can be good at everything.  If finding pitchers is what we are good at, then we could stick with it, and trade the excess arms to whoever is good at middle infielders.  We're going to have to do something with some of the pitching before long.
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Posted: 11/5/2012 4:17 PM

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I think Stoppelman now leads with 5 votes, Walsh with 4, Bean and Perez 3.

Posted: 11/5/2012 4:28 PM

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i think that means Stoppleman is prospect #35.

voting is now open for #36 and will close out late Tuesday.
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