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Re: 2013 Cardinal Nation Community Prospect Voting Thread

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Posted: 9/10/2012 3:49 PM

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jschaffer50 wrote: My vote for number one is Kolten Wong. I would also encourage a vote for the top 50 for Jeremy Schaffer. He lead the Appy league in doubles and rbi. He is a kid that has a big future with the cards.
Welcome to the board and thanks for pointing out Schaffer.  He's certainly worth keeping an eye on.  Appy League All-Star.  Will be interesting to see where he begins next season.

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Posted: 9/10/2012 3:52 PM

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Posted: 9/10/2012 4:01 PM

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Taveras

Posted: 9/10/2012 4:55 PM

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This is actually a tough choice.  Should you go for the everyday player in Tavares who could be the next Carlos Beltran or the # 1 starter in waiting in Shelby Miller who will only start 32-34 games a year? 

I'm voting for Tavares and only because Miller has had attitude issues.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 6:43 PM

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Shelby Miller @#1.  I like Taveras alot, I just think Miller is #1 based on how he closed the season.

Posted: 9/10/2012 7:01 PM

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Taveras at 1 for me.

Thanks for getting this going, Carioca.  I can do some of the moderating, though I've not quite been here daily of late.
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Posted: 9/10/2012 7:18 PM

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Miller #1
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Posted: 9/10/2012 7:25 PM

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Totals so far for prospect #1:
Oscar Taveras- 15
Shelby Miller- 4
Kolten Wong- 1
Adam Ehrlich- 1

Posted: 9/10/2012 7:35 PM

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I'll go with the everyday player. Taveras.

Posted: 9/10/2012 8:23 PM

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Posted: 9/10/2012 8:57 PM

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Well...there isn't any reason to vote for anyone other than Oscar Taveras, since there is no way anyone will overtake him... which I guess is understandable.  He does have the best credentials... stats and awards.

There really isn't any reason to vote for him either, but I will anyway.  Consider this my official vote for #1.

Posted: 9/10/2012 9:05 PM

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nbr1hawkeye wrote: Well...there isn't any reason to vote for anyone other than Oscar Taveras, since there is no way anyone will overtake him... which I guess is understandable.  He does have the best credentials... stats and awards.

There really isn't any reason to vote for him either, but I will anyway.  Consider this my official vote for #1.

and best tools overall in the system right now.

Posted: 9/10/2012 9:06 PM

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DTFlush234 wrote:
nbr1hawkeye wrote: Well...there isn't any reason to vote for anyone other than Oscar Taveras, since there is no way anyone will overtake him... which I guess is understandable.  He does have the best credentials... stats and awards.

There really isn't any reason to vote for him either, but I will anyway.  Consider this my official vote for #1.

and best tools overall in the system right now.
IMO Taveras is the best pure hitter in the minors.

Posted: 9/11/2012 7:13 AM

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nbr1hawkeye wrote: Well...there isn't any reason to vote for anyone other than Oscar Taveras, since there is no way anyone will overtake him... which I guess is understandable.  He does have the best credentials... stats and awards.

There really isn't any reason to vote for him either, but I will anyway.  Consider this my official vote for #1.
Unless of course, you vote for someone else.

Posted: 9/11/2012 7:30 AM

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Is Trevor Rosenthal a prospect?

Posted: 9/11/2012 7:44 AM

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PadsFS wrote:

Is Trevor Rosenthal a prospect?

For this list the following are eligible

Roenthal
Miller
kozma
Chambers
Adams
Miller
Anderson
Hill
Sanchez
Jackson


Those note eligible include

Kelly
Cruz
Marte
Robinson
Carpenter
Salas
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Posted: 9/11/2012 8:33 AM

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As always, I would have liked to see a little discussion on what makes a "prospect" as we have already skipped several guys who now have MLB experience and thus are better "prospects" in my mind. It's hard to ignore the value of experience and the weight of what the front office has already decided on these guys who aren't getting a mention at all for the top prospect slot.

Are we looking at who has the most potential? Who is going to make the biggest impact on the system? Who will be the first to play in Busch? Who had the best season this year or over the last 2-3 years?

This would be a more valuable vote if we really knew what we are voting, IMO.

That being said, I'm going to hold off on a vote until I know that others are using for the criteria for their selections.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 8:42 AM

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Others should feel free to share their perspective on how they weigh various factors in defining a prospect. However, after watching this process for seven years and doing it for the site for even longer, I am sure there isn't going to be a one-size-fits-all answer.

My advice is to vote how you feel and if is is different from others, by all means, explain why. Perhaps you will influence a few others, as well, and if not, at least your reasons are understood.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 8:50 AM

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sport61201 wrote: As always, I would have liked to see a little discussion on what makes a "prospect" as we have already skipped several guys who now have MLB experience and thus are better "prospects" in my mind. It's hard to ignore the value of experience and the weight of what the front office has already decided on these guys who aren't getting a mention at all for the top prospect slot.

Are we looking at who has the most potential? Who is going to make the biggest impact on the system? Who will be the first to play in Busch? Who had the best season this year or over the last 2-3 years?

This would be a more valuable vote if we really knew what we are voting, IMO.

That being said, I'm going to hold off on a vote until I know that others are using for the criteria for their selections.
Discussion is good but if you were to expect a consensus on that topic there is no chance you would ever even come close.  Everyone has their own criteria and I assume will cast their votes accordingly.   Even so called draft experts dont have the same criteria or weighting.  It is often obvious from looking at the rankings of various people who puts more emphasis on potential and who puts more on performance.  But consensus - not a chance.    Even if you agreed on potential versus performance you have the problem of how people rate positional value, starting pitching versus relievers, even LH versus RH pitching or hitting.   Everyone will also have a different criteria how to judge prospects who perform really well but were old for their league and prospects who didnt perform so well but were very young for their league.   Another area where people wont agree is how much credit do you give to where a guy was drafted.   Does James Ramsey or Piscotty get points for being drafted highly and obviously well thought of by the team scouts while a guy like Dan Llorns who was drafed late but was dominated might get dinged by some but not others because he wasn't thought of highly enough to be drafted earlier. 

We have 20+ vote and my guess is you have 20+ different criteria for how to rank players.   No need to wait to see what criteria others are using - the right criteria is the one you yourself feel comfortable with.

Last edited 9/11/2012 8:52 AM by CariocaCardinal

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Posted: 9/11/2012 9:07 AM

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I'll vote for Michael Wacha.

The Cards org seems to think he deserved higher Milb level placement than Shelby did. 
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