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Posted: 5/12/2012 6:30 PM
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Just about time to make the call folks. |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 7:23 PM
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shakenbakeMcBride wrote:Just about time to make the call folks. Ya? Why? Because we aren't 7 games up after 20 percent of the season? Who are you suggesting he replace? |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 7:25 PM
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Posted: 5/12/2012 7:47 PM
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a. Carpenter may or may not pitch this year
b. Wainwright is in a post surgery year and 18 months is the optimal recovery time.
If he can't consistantly go deep into games the bullpen will suffer.
c. Lohse and Westbrook are decent, but not staff aces.
d. Someone else is going to sign Oswalt and then it's too late.
e. No panic, just rational, forward thinking.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 7:56 PM
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shakenbakeMcBride wrote: a. Carpenter may or may not pitch this year
b. Wainwright is in a post surgery year and 18 months is the optimal recovery time.
If he can't consistantly go deep into games the bullpen will suffer.
c. Lohse and Westbrook are decent, but not staff aces.
d. Someone else is going to sign Oswalt and then it's too late.
e. No panic, just rational, forward thinking. So you want to replace a starter for the sake of us needing a bonafide ace? You do realize Oswalt's k/9 last season dropped to 6.0. He only cleared 139 innings and had a 1.338 whip. His WAR last season was a whopping 2.0 while making 16 mil. I'm not sure there are many around that would consider him a true ace anymore. I think he is better than Lohse, Westie, and Lynn, but I don't think the difference is worth the price...especially the way those guys are pitching. |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 8:02 PM
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kardzfan wrote:
shakenbakeMcBride wrote: a. Carpenter may or may not pitch this year
b. Wainwright is in a post surgery year and 18 months is the optimal recovery time.
If he can't consistantly go deep into games the bullpen will suffer.
c. Lohse and Westbrook are decent, but not staff aces.
d. Someone else is going to sign Oswalt and then it's too late.
e. No panic, just rational, forward thinking. So you want to replace a starter for the sake of us needing a bonafide ace?
You do realize Oswalt's k/9 last season dropped to 6.0. He only cleared 139 innings and had a 1.338 whip. His WAR last season was a whopping 2.0 while making 16 mil. I'm not sure there are many around that would consider him a true ace anymore. I think he is better than Lohse, Westie, and Lynn, but I don't think the difference is worth the price...especially the way those guys are pitching. At 34 years of age, I am surprised he is unsigned. But, don't you think if he truly was the ace you want him to be, at least one of the 30 teams would have signed an ace? Plenty of teams need pitching. |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 8:07 PM
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Signing an expensive player that we have no place for because someone else might sign him first is pretty much the textbook definition of panicking.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 9:56 PM
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Perhaps an eye exam will help you see the other reasons I mentioned although it's more fun to just fixate on one.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 10:06 PM
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kardzfan wrote:
shakenbakeMcBride wrote: a. Carpenter may or may not pitch this year
b. Wainwright is in a post surgery year and 18 months is the optimal recovery time.
If he can't consistantly go deep into games the bullpen will suffer.
c. Lohse and Westbrook are decent, but not staff aces.
d. Someone else is going to sign Oswalt and then it's too late.
e. No panic, just rational, forward thinking. So you want to replace a starter for the sake of us needing a bonafide ace?
You do realize Oswalt's k/9 last season dropped to 6.0. He only cleared 139 innings and had a 1.338 whip. His WAR last season was a whopping 2.0 while making 16 mil. I'm not sure there are many around that would consider him a true ace anymore. I think he is better than Lohse, Westie, and Lynn, but I don't think the difference is worth the price...especially the way those guys are pitching. I dont know about his k/9 being 6...but i actually called 1800-ROSWALT and got some info on a a refi at 4.25  |
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Posted: 5/12/2012 10:41 PM
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grayssportsalmanac wrote:
I dont know about his k/9 being 6...but i actually called 1800-ROSWALT and got some info on a a refi at 4.25 I'm confused. Can you enlighten me why you don't know about it being 6? His h/9 was also up a little. To me those have a correlation...and it is that his stuff isn't quite as good as it once was. However, his control did seem to fit his career norms.
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Posted: 5/12/2012 11:51 PM
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shakenbakeMcBride wrote: a. Carpenter may or may not pitch this year
b. Wainwright is in a post surgery year and 18 months is the optimal recovery time.
If he can't consistantly go deep into games the bullpen will suffer.
c. Lohse and Westbrook are decent, but not staff aces.
d. Someone else is going to sign Oswalt and then it's too late.
e. No panic, just rational, forward thinking. A) Lynn is filling in well for Carpenter B) Wainwright will be ok over time I think. C) Lohse led the staff in wins, ERA, and WHIP last season. He's off to a 5-1 2.08 and 1.02 start this year. What a terrible start. Westbrook is 4-2 1.76 and 1.07. His FIP is 2.76. D) Great reason for signing Oswalt. E) No it's not, it's irrational to go out and get a pitcher just because someone else may sign them.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 12:43 AM
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--------------------------------------------- --- kardzfan wrote: grayssportsalmanac wrote:
I dont know about his k/9 being 6...but i actually called 1800-ROSWALT and got some info on a a refi at 4.25 I'm confused. Can you enlighten me why you don't know about it being 6? His h/9 was also up a little. To me those have a correlation...and it is that his stuff isn't quite as good as it once was. However, his control did seem to fit his career norms. --------------------------------------------- It was a joke...that obvs failed (wah wah)...although i did call the # and there was a recording about refis |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 1:16 AM
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I don't expect Carp to pitch this year.
Does anyone think Lynn, Westbrook and Lohse will continue pitching as well as they have for the rest of the season?
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Posted: 5/13/2012 7:41 AM
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drewhall wrote: ...Does anyone think Lynn, Westbrook and Lohse will continue pitching as well as they have for the rest of the season? Do the Cardinals need to continue to have the greatest run differential in the league to keep winning? They have currently scored the most runs in the NL and allowed the third-fewest. If the situation changes and they need help later on, either hitting or pitching, they can always go out and get it.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 7:49 AM
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Maybe Oswalt can replace Romero in the bullpen.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 7:52 AM
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Shaken,
Agree. Sadly Waino looks a shell of two years ago. His 91 MPH fastball has no movement and he cannot throw strikes. Pray he somehow gets better but I don't see the Cards investing huge money in him for the future.
Carpenter out this long who knows if we see him again. I'm concerned to say the least.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 8:29 AM
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Sadly I 've seen the same degree of panic on Twitter. It is not surprising to me as my experience has shown me that the average Cardinal fan (or baseball fan, for that matter) has the patience and attention span of a gnat.
Do we know if Oswalt is even ready to pitch? Last I heard he would need at least a month to get ready to pitch if/when some team signed him.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:24 AM
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AustinCardinal wrote: 1-800-WHINEYPANICPRONEFANS I like this one..... |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:52 AM
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drewhall wrote: I don't expect Carp to pitch this year.
Does anyone think Lynn, Westbrook and Lohse will continue pitching as well as they have for the rest of the season? I don't expect them to have a sub 2 ERA, so of course not. But, I don't expect them to fall flat on their faces either. Again, Lohse led the team in wins, ERA, and WHIP last season. He won 14 games, had a 3.39 ERA, and a 1.17 WHIP. It should be no surprise that he's gotten off to a hot start. Westbrook also has a track record of success in the big leagues. Does this surprise most following last season? It does, but it also doesn't surprise given the pitcher that he can be, especially with some defense behind him. Westbrook is following a similar track to that of Joel Pineiro. Cardinals acquired Pineiro late in 2007, and he pitched well. They signed him to a two year deal. He stunk his first year of the contract. He had a huge year in 2009. Westbrook was acquired late in 2010 and signed to a two year deal with third year option. Wasn't very good his first season in 2011, but is off to a great start in 2012. Both had success at the big league level before coming to St. Louis. Lynn is a solid pitcher. Will he continue to go undefeated with a sub 2 ERA? No, he won't. But, like Lohse I don't expect him to fall flat on his face, unless he hits the rookie wall, which is possible. By that time though, you'd hope that Carp is back so that it doesn't become a big deal.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:11 AM
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OTOH, and just throwing this out for discussion, perhaps signing Oswalt would allow us to put Wainwright in the bullpen, which we probably should have done to begin with (remember Morris in 2000).
OTTH, even if we do sign Oswalt, he won't be ready for a month. A lot can happen in a month.
OTFH, I think it'll be a lot longer than that before we see Carpenter. I, too, fear we won't be seeing him at all this season.
OTSH, if Carpenter *does* make it back, maybe we should put *him* in the bullpen.
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