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RE: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors - 2012-2013

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Posted: 2/14/2013 5:39 PM

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KylMss wrote: I think a move to the outfield would have been a Godsend for Tyler and it might still be. He really needs to show he can be a competent fielder at multiple positions to stick on a major league roster. He clearly has contact issues and he was a flat out butcher at second base for the Cardinals last season. Sadly, I think he's going to be one of those guys that always drips with potential – even shows it in rare glimpses – but he's never going to be able to put it all together consistently.
I always thought Greene would benefit from a move to a corner outfield spot. My belief is that he could better work on his offense if not saddled with a pivot spot in the field. I think there is some carry over between the two in some young under confident players. Just a theory of mine as far as Tyler goes.

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Posted: 2/16/2013 3:43 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
KylMss wrote: I think a move to the outfield would have been a Godsend for Tyler and it might still be. He really needs to show he can be a competent fielder at multiple positions to stick on a major league roster. He clearly has contact issues and he was a flat out butcher at second base for the Cardinals last season. Sadly, I think he's going to be one of those guys that always drips with potential – even shows it in rare glimpses – but he's never going to be able to put it all together consistently.
I always thought Greene would benefit from a move to a corner outfield spot. My belief is that he could better work on his offense if not saddled with a pivot spot in the field. I think there is some carry over between the two in some young under confident players. Just a theory of mine as far as Tyler goes.


It's a shame he didn't work out. I really, really liked Greene and thought he would make it.
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Posted: 2/16/2013 6:45 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
cardinalnationhouston wrote:
KylMss wrote: I think a move to the outfield would have been a Godsend for Tyler and it might still be. He really needs to show he can be a competent fielder at multiple positions to stick on a major league roster. He clearly has contact issues and he was a flat out butcher at second base for the Cardinals last season. Sadly, I think he's going to be one of those guys that always drips with potential – even shows it in rare glimpses – but he's never going to be able to put it all together consistently.
I always thought Greene would benefit from a move to a corner outfield spot. My belief is that he could better work on his offense if not saddled with a pivot spot in the field. I think there is some carry over between the two in some young under confident players. Just a theory of mine as far as Tyler goes.


It's a shame he didn't work out. I really, really liked Greene and thought he would make it.

That's one thing that no stat can measure - whether a guy has or hasn't the "stuff" to be a major-league ballplayer.  Some guys have it and succeed despite a lack of talent (Bill James once referred to Pete Rose as the least-talented great player in MLB history) and some guys with a ton of talent (Rasmus and Greene come quickly to mind) don't.

And yes, I know I haven't defined "stuff".  I don't think it is defineable although it is very real.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:16 AM

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Mentioned this briefly on the Lohse thread...

It's fairly obvious the Cards have no intention of bringing Lohse back - they simply don't want to spend seven figures on another starting pitcher.  That qualifying offer of $13.3MM they made was simply because they wanted the draft choice; they knew Lohse wasn't going to accept it because Boras had his eyes set on at least a Suppanesque 4/40 deal or better.

So Lohse is not in the picture and even if he's willing to go one or two years instead of four, we're still talking about more than $10MM for him.

But if we decide to pick up another starter, there are a couple of lefties who are caught in the numbers crunch on their teams and who might be available via a reasonable-cost trade.

Chris Capuano is the guy I mentioned on the Lohse thread.  He's one of eight candidates for starter on the Dodgers and the articles talk about how he and Aaron Harang are probably going to be odd men out.  Capuano has had his injury problems in the past (which is probably what killed the rumored Rolen-for-Capuano deal before Rolen was eventually traded to Toronto) but seems to be OK now (he had a pretty decent season last year for LA) and is only making $6MM for 2013.

Another name that has come to my attention is J.A. Happ, the former Astro who had a pretty decent year for Toronto last year.  He may not make the team this year, what with all the pickups they made over the winter, and an article I saw on MLB Rumors talks about how the final spot on the staff may come down to either him or Brett Cecil - and Cecil is out of options, making Happ vulnerable to being sent down to AAA.  Happ's 2013 salary is $3.75MM.

The thing I like about both these guys is that they are lefties... which could be a good thing for us given our uncertainty about Garcia.

I'm not necessarily advocating trading for either of these guys... just throwing out their names for discussion.

Any thoughts?
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Posted: 2/25/2013 7:24 AM

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Back of rotation guys like Happ and Capuano are always going to be out there. Why not wait to see if such a pitcher is actually going to be needed before acquiring one?
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Last edited 2/25/2013 7:25 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 2/25/2013 8:48 AM

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Agreed.
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Posted: 2/25/2013 10:24 AM

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If it gets to the point of having to rely on the typical "back of rotation" guys that might become available, we are in trouble. Wainwright and Lynn are the only two able bodied, known quality starters we have pending determination of how Garcia (the ticking time bomb) holds up. Of course, I hope Miller and/or Rosenthal become quality starters sooner rather than later.
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Posted: 2/28/2013 8:15 PM

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UncleDenny wrote: If it gets to the point of having to rely on the typical "back of rotation" guys that might become available, we are in trouble.
In my mind, it is not a matter of 'having' to rely on the typical back of rotation guy.  I think it would be done by choice long before 'having' to. 

Consider what the Cards org would do if Westbrook's leg had been broken instead of bruised today. IMO, Mo would have pulled a hammy rushing to sign a veteran innings eating 4-5 guy ASAP.

Posted: 2/28/2013 9:02 PM

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blingboy wrote:
UncleDenny wrote: If it gets to the point of having to rely on the typical "back of rotation" guys that might become available, we are in trouble.
In my mind, it is not a matter of 'having' to rely on the typical back of rotation guy.  I think it would be done by choice long before 'having' to. 

Consider what the Cards org would do if Westbrook's leg had been broken instead of bruised today. IMO, Mo would have pulled a hammy rushing to sign a veteran innings eating 4-5 guy ASAP.
Mo would not have rushed to do anything.  They have plenty of young pitchers and they will take up for the injured ones (see Garcia for sure and Westbrook eventually)  They are not going to sign anyone-what they have on the roster will have to do.

Posted: 2/28/2013 9:46 PM

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blingboy wrote:
UncleDenny wrote: If it gets to the point of having to rely on the typical "back of rotation" guys that might become available, we are in trouble.
In my mind, it is not a matter of 'having' to rely on the typical back of rotation guy.  I think it would be done by choice long before 'having' to. 

Consider what the Cards org would do if Westbrook's leg had been broken instead of bruised today. IMO, Mo would have pulled a hammy rushing to sign a veteran innings eating 4-5 guy ASAP.
I think we are at a point where Mo wouldn't do any rushing to get a vet 5th starter. Maybe in previous years but not this year.  We have 3 young pitchers and only 1 spot for them.

Posted: 2/28/2013 9:48 PM

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Someone brought this possible trade up and it's worth mentioning. The Yankees want to get younger and cheaper and rebuild again. They may not want to resign Cano possibly. Knowing that he would be gone at the end of the year do you trade Cano for Wong straight up?

Posted: 3/1/2013 9:44 AM

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Have we discussed a Profar/Taveras swap? As rosters shake out through the spring that continues to seem like it would be appealing for both teams.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 11:10 PM

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I don't remember if it was here or on another forum, but there didn't seem to be a lot of enthusiasm for such a trade.
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Posted: 3/1/2013 11:29 PM

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DMENS wrote: Have we discussed a Profar/Taveras swap? As rosters shake out through the spring that continues to seem like it would be appealing for both teams.
Page 33 of this very thread begins the Andrus, Miller, Profar discussion. Not sure if Profar for Taveras is specifically mentioned though. I wonder when is the last swap involving such highly rated prospects for one another?

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Posted: 3/1/2013 11:32 PM

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Texas thinks Profar is going to win 95 games for them singlehandedly. St. Louis thinks Taveras is the second coming of Albert. Neither one of them is going to get traded. I can understand why St. Louis would not want to trade Taveras since they don't really have anyone else to take over right field for Beltran when he leaves. Texas, on the other hand, has two elite shortstops. Go figure.
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Posted: 3/2/2013 6:59 AM

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Agree, mudville. Plus those who think the Rangers need Taveras may be unfamiliar with Texas' system. They already have their own Taveras in Leonys Martin, who they paid over $15 million to sign and had an OPS 80 points higher in the PCL than Oscar did in the Texas League last season.
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Last edited 3/2/2013 7:18 AM by Domeboys

Posted: 3/2/2013 10:12 AM

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The Rangers do have other needs and they could probably fill nearly all of them by trading Profar. Their GM is in a tough spot. If he did trade Profar, everybody would be down on him for trading 'the best position prospect in the game' for at least until the Rangers are winning big and the trade has proven to be a good trade for them. If he doesn't trade Profar, he's got two elite starting shortstops on the same team. That's got to create disharmony and maybe some resentment. Even if they leave Profar at AAA this year, they're still going to have Andrus and others wondering what's going on. Daniels ought to do something whether that's trading somebody or somehow finding a clear position for Profar to play. IMO they ought to trade either Andrus or Profar. Moving Kinsler to first and putting Profar on second seems weird because Profar is a shortstop.
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Posted: 3/2/2013 10:19 AM

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mudville wrote: ...Moving Kinsler to first and putting Profar on second seems weird because Profar is a shortstop.
Baseball history is full of examples of shortstops moving to second base either on a short-term basis or permanently. I don't see it as weird at all. Wanting to get your best players in the lineup sometimes requires adjustments.

I think Texas is in a really good position and I can see why they wouldn't trade unless they are blown away by an offer. In my opinion, only those who think the Cardinals are desperate should hold out hope for a Rangers trade. I am not among them.
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Last edited 3/2/2013 10:22 AM by Domeboys

Posted: 3/2/2013 11:46 AM

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mudville wrote:  I can understand why St. Louis would not want to trade Taveras since they don't really have anyone else to take over right field for Beltran when he leaves.

I think Craig could play RF with Adams at 1B.

Posted: 3/2/2013 12:05 PM

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Craig can't throw anybody out or hold anybody up on the bases. He can play right field, but I'd rather not have him there every day.
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