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Re: Trade Ideas/Acquisition Ideas/Non-Cards Rumors - 2012

Posted: 11/14/2012 5:36 PM

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mlbtraderumors mentioned Skip Schumaker as being an affordable trade acquistion for teams in need of a 2nd baseman and that teams will check in on his availability. This makes you wonder if the Cards will acquire some needs like left-handed relief through trade.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:18 AM

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No offense to Skip (who I like), but I am not expecting much (maybe the often traded "PTBNL or cash considerations") in return for Skip.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:36 AM

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I'll second KY-MS's suggestion of Cedeno.  Cheap, serviceable (utility infielder) and I'm not ready to discard Koz's season as being a fluke.  The spectre of him being what we've been looking for at SS--in another uniform--would drive me nuts.

Posted: 11/15/2012 2:49 PM

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Oqie11 wrote: No offense to Skip (who I like), but I am not expecting much (maybe the often traded "PTBNL or cash considerations") in return for Skip.

Some teams will like the fact that Skip can play the outfield, however his lack of power makes him a less attractive trade piece. If Skip was packaged with a starter in a bigger deal I could see him netting us something in return.
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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:02 PM

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Where you could get something is if you were willing to take an expensive salary in return but that won't happen.

Posted: 11/16/2012 1:47 PM

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UncleDenny wrote: Where you could get something is if you were willing to take an expensive salary in return but that won't happen.
Wouldn't surprise me if HanRam were available.  But, I don't see him as a baseball solution.  Only a point in rhetoric.

Posted: 11/19/2012 3:30 PM

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Here's something that might be worth considering............. It looks like Tampa Bay is wanting to move David Price.

http://insider.espn.go.com/ mlb/story/_/id/8606096/tampa- bay-rays-need-trade-david- price-james-shields-jeremy- hellickson-mlb
http://bleacherreport.com/ articles/1410961-david-price- rangers-rumors-how-cy-young- winner-would-impact-texas- title-hopes
http://insider.espn.go.com/ mlb/blog/_/name/olney_buster/ id/8406210/david-price-traded- many-teams-ready-talk-mlb

Rumors like these are generally started by the organization that wants to make the trade. So, if David Price is really available, should we make a run at him? His projected salary for next year is $9.5 M. Since baseball, not being a business but our national pastime, must therefore be exempt from accounting principles, maybe there is something Mo could do to cover the $9.5 M. For example, he could ask Chris Carpenter to receive half of his contract for 2013 in 2013, and receive the other half with interest in 2014. This would free up $6 M or so for 2013 by moving the other $6 M into 2014 when we have some big salaries coming off the books. Next comes the actual trade. For me, Wong and Taveras are untouchable, so that might end the possibility of a trade right there. But if Tampa Bay would be interested in something like Miller, Adams, Anthony Garcia, and Valera, it would make sense to me to do it. If we do get to the post season next year, I don't think we can go very far with the pitching we have. Hopefully Wainwright will return to form. Carpenter will be 39 next year.. Westbrook might win 15 - 16 games next year, but then again, he might not. Rosenthal might win the Cy Young some day and Kelly looks like the real deal. But they both might be back at Memphis at some time next year. Does Garcia have a torn rotator cuff? Can Lynn win 18 games again? Who is the ace on this staff? Anything can happen, but this doesn't look to me like a rotation that can win the World Series.

Last edited 11/19/2012 7:40 PM by mudville

Posted: 11/20/2012 7:39 PM

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This is a quote from Jaspn Churchill at ESPN Insider's Trade Rumors.

"With Pete Kozma around as insurance in case the injury bug bites Furcal again, it seems highly unlikely the Cardinals would spend on Drew. Second base is not as settled, but the club made it known earlier this fall that Skip Schumaker will not be used at the position in 2013 and that they asked Matt Adams to work on fielding ground balls and with plays around the bag to see if they can get his bat into the lineup."

I'll go along with Jason on Schumaker if using Descalso at 2b down the stretch and in the playoffs means that the Cards will not give Skip another shot at 2b next year.

But I'm pretty sure the "club" has NOT asked Matt Adams to work on fielding at 2b over the winter.  Maybe Matt Carpenter.... Oh, wait... it WAS Matt Carpenter!
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Posted: 11/21/2012 7:40 AM

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What u think about Ryan Raburn?
Can play 2B and OF, right bat, can be a good fit for our bench.
He have a bad 2012 but his line is 256/311/430

Posted: 11/21/2012 9:33 AM

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LouisEu wrote: What u think about Ryan Raburn?
Can play 2B and OF, right bat, can be a good fit for our bench.
He have a bad 2012 but his line is 256/311/430

Sounds like a good idea and something we would consider too.

Personally, I like three things in my bench guys.

High upside: Ryan Ludwick in 2007, which worked or Preston Wilson in 2006-ish, which didnt.

Above-average versatility: Not Skip Schumaker or Aaron Miles, more like Jerry Hairston Jr., Omar Infante, or Martin Prado


Above-average on-base skills: Matt Carpenter or Jeff Keppinger are perfect examples, possibly Greg Garcia or Mike O'Neill from the MiLB system



My personal favorite OF choice is Lastings Milledge, who hit really well in Japan last year, is 28, and can field CF.  Milledge hit .300 with 21 HRs and a .379 OBP.

If the Cardinals signed Milledge, 30 year old LHP, Sean Burnett, and 30 year old MI, Hiroyuki Nakajima, I'd be ecstatic. 

I'd also like to see another depth signing at catcher, like Wilkin Castillo (28 year old career minor league CA) and Raburn, which would be saavy if he would sign on for a MiLB contract.

Last edited 11/21/2012 9:51 AM by PadsFS

Posted: 11/21/2012 1:30 PM

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LouisEu wrote: What u think about Ryan Raburn?
Can play 2B and OF, right bat, can be a good fit for our bench.
He have a bad 2012 but his line is 256/311/430
Raburn's stats don't impress (96 career OPS+).  Especially his defensive numbers, where he appears to be a subpar defender at every position.  At age 32, where's the upside?  I'd prefer giving auditions to the prospects from our farm.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:58 PM

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The Marlins signed Juan Pierre for 1 yr/ $1.6M. That would have looked good here. He annoys me, but I could have endured it.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 1:36 PM

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PadsFS wrote:
LouisEu wrote: What u think about Ryan Raburn?
Can play 2B and OF, right bat, can be a good fit for our bench.
He have a bad 2012 but his line is 256/311/430

Sounds like a good idea and something we would consider too.

Personally, I like three things in my bench guys.

High upside: Ryan Ludwick in 2007, which worked or Preston Wilson in 2006-ish, which didnt.

Above-average versatility: Not Skip Schumaker or Aaron Miles, more like Jerry Hairston Jr., Omar Infante, or Martin Prado


Above-average on-base skills: Matt Carpenter or Jeff Keppinger are perfect examples, possibly Greg Garcia or Mike O'Neill from the MiLB system



My personal favorite OF choice is Lastings Milledge, who hit really well in Japan last year, is 28, and can field CF.  Milledge hit .300 with 21 HRs and a .379 OBP.

If the Cardinals signed Milledge, 30 year old LHP, Sean Burnett, and 30 year old MI, Hiroyuki Nakajima, I'd be ecstatic. 

I'd also like to see another depth signing at catcher, like Wilkin Castillo (28 year old career minor league CA) and Raburn, which would be saavy if he would sign on for a MiLB contract.
Milledge could never hit at this level before but does everything else well. He can play a little and i would prefer him to Kearns who is basically a PH with little power at this point. Two guys you mention here though would be great bench players are Kepp and Hairston Jr, who i thought Moz should have went after last year. Two versatile vets that can play extended periods if needed. I also like Reed Johnson a lot. Can play center, drive the ball and is a no nonsense professional who is well respected around the league. Any one of those three would make my Christmas a happy one.

GO CARDS!

Posted: 11/22/2012 8:57 PM

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LouisEu wrote:  If the Cardinals signed Milledge, 30 year old LHP, Sean Burnett, and 30 year old MI, Hiroyuki Nakajima, I'd be ecstatic. 


I really like Sean Burnett.  Should the Cards give him 3 years at $5M per?  I think they should if that is what it takes.  I'm concerned that it might take an Affeldt-like deal.

Milledge and Nakajima?  They might be good ideas, but I don't think either will happen.  At least with Burnett, I'm hopeful.
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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:09 AM

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nbr1hawkeye wrote:
LouisEu wrote:  If the Cardinals signed Milledge, 30 year old LHP, Sean Burnett, and 30 year old MI, Hiroyuki Nakajima, I'd be ecstatic. 


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Posted: 11/23/2012 4:18 PM

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Sorry about that Louis.  Pads wrote it and I deleted the wrong poster.
LouisEu wrote:
nbr1hawkeye wrote:
LouisEu wrote:  If the Cardinals signed Milledge, 30 year old LHP, Sean Burnett, and 30 year old MI, Hiroyuki Nakajima, I'd be ecstatic. 


is not mine tongue

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Posted: 11/27/2012 8:12 PM

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I wonder if Garcia could pitch out of the bullpen. Maybe his shoulder could handle that better than starting. He's under contract for 5M, but heck, the Giants are paying Jeremy Affeldt 6M to work out of the bullpen.

Ken Rosenthal said on the MLB Channel's 'Hot Stove' show yesterday (11-26) that the Rays will listen to offers for any of their starting pitchers including Price. Acquiring David Price in a trade seems so unrealistic that it sounds silly, but then, the idea of the Rays trading Price keeps being brought up at various points in the media. I don't know if the Cardinals would consider moving Allen Craig, but I don't think there's any other organization that would be willing to trade that kind of offensive production for anybody, including the likes of David Price. The Cardinals would have to believe that Matt Carpenter/Matt Adams 'The Lumberjack' ( re:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1222805-st-l ouis-cardinals-re-ranking-their-top-10-prospects-a fter-2012-mlb-draft/page/3 ) could handle First Base. If we added Miller to the trade, it seems the Rays would have to consider it. There's risk on both sides and high upside on both sides.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1222805-st-loui s-cardinals-re-ranking-their-top-10-prospects-afte r-2012-mlb-draft/page/3

Last edited 11/27/2012 8:40 PM by mudville

Posted: 11/27/2012 10:19 PM

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mudville wrote: I wonder if Garcia could pitch out of the bullpen. Maybe his shoulder could handle that better than starting. He's under contract for 5M, but heck, the Giants are paying Jeremy Affeldt 6M to work out of the bullpen.

Ken Rosenthal said on the MLB Channel's 'Hot Stove' show yesterday (11-26) that the Rays will listen to offers for any of their starting pitchers including Price. Acquiring David Price in a trade seems so unrealistic that it sounds silly, but then, the idea of the Rays trading Price keeps being brought up at various points in the media. I don't know if the Cardinals would consider moving Allen Craig, but I don't think there's any other organization that would be willing to trade that kind of offensive production for anybody, including the likes of David Price. The Cardinals would have to believe that Matt Carpenter/Matt Adams 'The Lumberjack' ( re:http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1222805-st-l ouis-cardinals-re-ranking-their-top-10-prospects-a fter-2012-mlb-draft/page/3 ) could handle First Base. If we added Miller to the trade, it seems the Rays would have to consider it. There's risk on both sides and high upside on both sides.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1222805-st-loui s-cardinals-re-ranking-their-top-10-prospects-afte r-2012-mlb-draft/page/3
As far as Garcia is concerned, I fear that he won't be able to pitch at all, but if he can he will probably be a starter.  I do agree with your idea though.

Price probably could be had, and your Allen/Miller suggestion would probably come pretty close to getting it done.  I'd prefer Miller/Adams, and I'd probably ask for Price and one of their middle infielders.

Truthfully though, I'd prefer Felix Hernandez if I have to give up 2 top prospects.

Posted: 11/28/2012 12:00 PM

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Garcia just signed a contract extension at the end of last year, so we've got him for 4 more years at about 20M. (I know you're not supposed to mention it without any proof. But you have to wonder if he knew something was wrong with his shoulder before he signed.)

I never understood why they gave up on Tim Browning. He pitched really well for two months, then went into a slump and got sent down. He pitched well at Memphis, also, but never got called back up until the end of the season. I'd like to see him get another chance before we trade top talent for a LHP for the bullpen.

I'd rather see Miller/Adams instead of Miller/Craig, too. Adams hasn't played since  minor surgery late last season, and he isn't proven at the Major League level, so he probably doesn't have enough trade value. It sure seems that Craig would have it, though. His offensive numbers are similar to Longoria's who the Rays just extended for 100M.

I'd prefer King Felix, too, and its sounds like Seattle would like to move him. The trouble is that he's under contract for 19M - 20M for each of the next two years.
They are probably not getting many offers for him because there aren't that many teams now that have prospects to trade and 20M to pay one player.

Posted: 11/28/2012 12:55 PM

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I can see a Matt Adams/Shelby Miller for Price maybe getting it done if they think Adams is for real.

I think ultimately Price goes to KC for Myers plus.
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