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2012 Amateur Draft

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Posted: 11/10/2011 6:44 AM

2012 Amateur Draft 


This thread is for comments on the 2012 draft. (I looked and looked for an earlier thread about this to no avail. If anyone knows where it went, please speak up.)

In addition, I will try to remind the group of our national baseball expert Frankie Piliere's chats each Thursday. While 2012 draft questions are welcome, any minor league topics are welcome as well. Today's chat link has been added to the front page.

The 2011 draft thread has been moved to the archives forum for safekeeping.
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Posted: 11/17/2011 6:46 AM

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The link to Thursday's weekly chat.
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Posted: 11/29/2011 2:24 PM

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Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com has ranked his top 50 draft eligible players for 2012.
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Posted: 11/30/2011 6:42 PM

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Domeboys wrote: Jonathan Mayo of MLB.com has ranked his top 50 draft eligible players for 2012.

It looks like that link takes you to some good info about changes to the draft from the new collective bargaining agreement.  Here's the link to Mayo's article:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/
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Posted: 12/1/2011 7:20 AM

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Here's the link to Frankie Piliere's weekly chat, today and each Thursday at noon Central.
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Posted: 12/8/2011 7:10 PM

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Looks like we will be very busy on day one.  One pick for Jackson, one pick for Dotel, two picks for Albert, and our own 1st round pick.  That is 5 of the (roughly) first 50 picks.  Hope the first 2 rounds are deep with talent.
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Posted: 12/8/2011 10:05 PM

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I saw printed elsewhere today that STL will have the Angel's #19 pick in the first round, plus our own pick at #23, plus three supplement picks at the end of the first round.

Question for everyone.....what pick order will be assigned to the three supplement draft choices that the Cardinals are now due?  Thanks.
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Posted: 12/9/2011 3:28 PM

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Wow that will make for an exciting June. With all the new rules we have to hit on these picks. Draft nut here and this makes it even more interesting.
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Posted: 12/9/2011 4:53 PM

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skszyszowski wrote: I saw printed elsewhere today that STL will have the Angel's #19 pick in the first round, plus our own pick at #23, plus three supplement picks at the end of the first round.

Question for everyone.....what pick order will be assigned to the three supplement draft choices that the Cardinals are now due?  Thanks.
According to Wikipedia: The order of the supplemental round between the first and second rounds is determined by inverse order of the previous year's standings. All the Type A picks are done first, and then the order resets for all the Type B compensation picks.


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Posted: 12/13/2011 1:36 PM

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one of our main needs is an impact OF bat...sooner rather than later.

best way to address that is college hitters with high power potential and an advanced approach at the plate. with 5 of 60 picks next draft, that'd be a good time to try and address that. totally hoping roache falls to #19.

other than him, can any of you talk about other draft prospects who might fit that profile?
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Posted: 12/13/2011 9:09 PM

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cardzZilla wrote: other than him, can any of you talk about other draft prospects who might fit that profile?
That is a very good question to ask Frankie Piliere on his Thursday chat. I will try to remember to post this week's link once it is available. It will also be visible on the home page on Thursday.
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Posted: 12/13/2011 9:28 PM

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cardzZilla wrote: one of our main needs is an impact OF bat...sooner rather than later.

best way to address that is college hitters with high power potential and an advanced approach at the plate. with 5 of 60 picks next draft, that'd be a good time to try and address that. totally hoping roache falls to #19.

other than him, can any of you talk about other draft prospects who might fit that profile?
With the changes to the cba, I wonder if players with signability questions will drop more or less than they would have under the old cba.  High schoolers may decide that their best chance of a big signing bonus is to forgo signing at a lower round and go to college, hoping to move up the draft ladder (since there will be fewer and smaller over-slot signings in lower rounds).
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Posted: 12/14/2011 12:27 PM

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In keeping with this thread, I'm thankful the Marlins didn't sign Albert.  We get a 1st-round pick instead of the Mets' (Reyes) 2nd-round pick.  I guess the Mets and Pads (Bell), likewise, should be thankful the Marlins didn't sign Albert, too.

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Posted: 12/14/2011 1:26 PM

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cardzZilla wrote: one of our main needs is an impact OF bat...sooner rather than later.

best way to address that is college hitters with high power potential and an advanced approach at the plate. with 5 of 60 picks next draft, that'd be a good time to try and address that. totally hoping roache falls to #19.

other than him, can any of you talk about other draft prospects who might fit that profile?

You mean like Brett Wallace and Zack Cox?

rolleyes

Or do you mean to imply finding "college hitters with high power potential and an advanced approach at the plate" is more simple than it actually is?  You typically have to pick in the top 5 or 10 to get that bag of tricks.




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Posted: 12/14/2011 5:08 PM

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there are people that can project to that ability beyond top 5-10. matt adams was picked in 20+ round. and while he can't play OF, there have got to be college guys who play OF who project avg and power beyond roache (who i really hope can fall to 19 but i doubt it)
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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:02 PM

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cardzZilla wrote: there are people that can project to that ability beyond top 5-10. matt adams was picked in 20+ round. and while he can't play OF, there have got to be college guys who play OF who project avg and power beyond roache (who i really hope can fall to 19 but i doubt it)

Matt Adams was never projected to be anywhere close to what he has done.  That's why he was a 20+ round pick rather than a 2nd or 3rd round pick.
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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:10 PM

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I think this is as good a time as any to discussion what do you think we should go after with our picks? Tampa seemed to mix signability and upside picks pretty well last year when they had 7 in the 1st round. I'm always for a BPA guy especially since its a pitcher. I would like a HS pitcher at 19 or 21.
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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:16 PM

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scadder21 wrote: I think this is as good a time as any to discussion what do you think we should go after with our picks? Tampa seemed to mix signability and upside picks pretty well last year when they had 7 in the 1st round. I'm always for a BPA guy especially since its a pitcher. I would like a HS pitcher at 19 or 21.
BPA?


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Posted: 12/14/2011 11:34 PM

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Best player available.
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Posted: 12/15/2011 8:11 AM

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scadder21 wrote:
cardzZilla wrote: there are people that can project to that ability beyond top 5-10. matt adams was picked in 20+ round. and while he can't play OF, there have got to be college guys who play OF who project avg and power beyond roache (who i really hope can fall to 19 but i doubt it)

Matt Adams was never projected to be anywhere close to what he has done.  That's why he was a 20+ round pick rather than a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

Yeah, it isnt like we have some magical scout who foresaw Adams turning into a monster.  If a scout did see this coming, he should probably be fired for allowing us to wait until the 20th round and risk losing him.

There are always outliers.  The average college stud who becomes a pro star (Braun, Tulo, etc.) doesn't last very long.




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