Posted: 10/28/2008 11:09 AM
kotheb wrote: It's extremely hard for me to justify trading Ludwick, not only based on the fact that he was one of the best players in baseball last year, but he's great defensively AND we have him under control for the next 3 years.Ankiel, on the other hand, I say we explore trading and get ready to bring up Rasmus.
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Posted: 10/28/2008 11:57 AM
Posted: 10/28/2008 3:34 PM
cardinalnationhouston wrote: I think we should be looking for a leadoff type guy or at least an upgrade in middle of diamond. GO CARDS!
Posted: 10/29/2008 1:12 AM
What do you think the Angels would need for Sean Rodriguez? They declined the option on Garrett Anderson and are losing Juan Rivera, and their outfield as a whole is pretty old, so would they have interest in getting a guy like Jon Jay or Shane Robinson? Or a younger outfielder. Basically two teams dealing a surplus with each other.
Sign Orlando Hudson *would be my Plan A*Trade Jay/Shane Robinson for Rodriguez or some kind of deal like that
LF Skip Schumaker/2B Orlando Hudson2B Orlando Hudson/CF Colby Rasmus1B Albert PujolsRF Ryan Ludwick3B Troy Glaus/RF Rick AnkielRF Rick Ankiel/3B Troy GlausC Yadier MolinaPitcherSS Sean RodriguezOther options I've thought about recently: The trade I'm not sure they would do, but: CF Rick AnkielC Bryan Andersonmaybe a lower level pitching prospectforHitter Billy ButlerReasoning: I'm not sure that the Royals are willing to move Butler, but I don't think he was listed as one of the untouchables I saw earlier (obviously doesn't mean he's not), but the biggest issue with me with Butler is I don't remember how bad of an outfielder he is defensively. I know he had a good arm, but range and everything, he's 6'1" 240 listed height-weight, so how good of range can he have? He can hit though, and putting him eventually behind Rasmus-Pujols-Wallace would be a terror for pitchers. I know KC has a need for a centerfielder/power, starting pitching, and a young catcher. My guess is it'd take Rasmus to get Butler though, which is why I was just throwing this out there. The Kevin Gregg talk makes sense. Scott Olsen I've heard is available, and left handed hitters hit .187 against him this year with a .534 OPS, while RH batters hit .266 with a .794 OPS against him. In 2007 they hit better, but he had a terrible year. In 2006, LH batters hit .182 against him with a .572 OPS, so over three years, left handed hitters hit .233 against him with a .657 OPS. I understand he's a talented starter, and the marlins will ask for starters value, but one has to wonder how well he'd do as a LH setup type for St. Louis.
Last edited 10/29/2008 1:14 AM by Cardsfan914
Posted: 10/29/2008 7:01 AM
Last edited 10/29/2008 7:03 AM by TCRedbird
Posted: 10/29/2008 9:42 AM
TCRedbird wrote: Cardsfan914 - That is insanely way to much to give up for a DH that the Cards can't even use. Right now Ankiel has more value than Billy Butler.To even think that the Royals would require Rasmus for a very average ML hitter is just insane. I guess I am just not that impressed with his .282./.324/.420 career numbers in a decent hitters park there in KC.
I understand the issue with defense, which would be the reason you wouldn't target a player like Butler who for an NL team with the best first baseman in the league, wouldn't have a position. But, statistically, he is only going to be 23 in April, so he still has room to develop. Just think about it, before this year, Carlos Quentin's line was even worse then Butler's. Both hitters hit well in the minors and scouts have said Butler could win a batting title some day. The biggest question for Butler is if he will be able to develop the power. If he can, then you're talking about a .300 hitter with 25-30 homeruns at least, and another hitter who is tough to strikeout.
If he's awful defensively though (I don't remember if he is or not, I remember him having a good arm though in the OF), then there's no reason to do a deal. It was just something I was throwing out there. He's got "breakout potential" written all over him after hitting .305 with an .817 OPS in the 2nd half.
And when I mentioned rasmus, I was saying that's what I think they'd ask for, but I obviously wouldn't trade Rasmus for Butler. I still like the Angels idea though, but not really sure what it would take to get a guy like Sean Rodriguez.
Last edited 10/29/2008 9:44 AM by Cardsfan914
Posted: 10/30/2008 8:24 AM
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Posted: 10/30/2008 4:40 PM
kotheb wrote: Gregg, and maybe Olsen (though he has been somewhat of an up and down pitcher).
Posted: 10/30/2008 4:48 PM
SkinnyPimp wrote: But seriously, how about Uggla? 128 OPS from a 28-year old second baseman? I could live with that.
Posted: 10/30/2008 5:30 PM
Cordero, 26, had surgery in July to repair tears in his labrum and biceps tendon. He hopes to be ready for spring training."Cordero would be an interesting pickup for us. Give him an incentive based deal and the ability to compete for the closers role in spring training. This is a former all-star and finished 5th in a Cy Young race, holding a career ERA under 3. Labrums are pretty serious injuries I think, but his history backs up that kind of a pickup. Plus we have a thing with Nationals players this year and this is another that plays a position we are looking for. I could see trading for Kevin Gregg or something, getting Cordero, and then letting those two compete with Perez and Motte for the closers role. Might seem a bit extreme to get both Cordero and Gregg, but if you sign Cordero and he gets hurt/doesn't show progress and then perez/motte show they couldn't handle the job, then you are stuck in the same situation as 2008. If you pickup both and still have Perez/Motte and you still don't have a closer, then well you must be the unluckiest team ever.
Posted: 10/30/2008 5:48 PM
AustinCardinal wrote: SkinnyPimp wrote: But seriously, how about Uggla? 128 OPS from a 28-year old second baseman? I could live with that.He's a terrible fielder, and we'd have to give up a king's ransom for him. He'd imporove our team, for sure, but those are the negatives on him.
Last edited 10/30/2008 5:49 PM by kotheb
Posted: 10/30/2008 5:55 PM
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Posted: 10/30/2008 7:20 PM
cardinalnationhouston wrote: I may be wrong on this Cardsfan but i think it is Coco cordero with Cincy that made the Allstar team. GO CARDS!
I was just saying in his career he does have an all-star appearance.
2005: 74 games74 1/3 IP47 saves1.82 ERA0.97 WHIPAll-star appearance5th in Cy Young voting14th in MVP votingCareer ERA is 2.78. The highest ERA he has had for a season is 3.36, which he had in 2007.
Posted: 10/30/2008 9:27 PM
Posted: 10/30/2008 10:24 PM
kotheb wrote: Plus, even though he had a 128 OPS+ over the course of the season, he had a TERRIBLE second half:.226/.343/.396/.739, 9 HR, 33 RBI in 65 games.He had a 122 OPS+ in the first half and a 72 OPS+ in the second half.
Posted: 10/30/2008 10:57 PM
AustinCardinal wrote: How is it possible to have a 122 OPS+ in one half of the season, a 72 OPS+ in the other half, and have them average out to a 128 OPS+ over the full season?
Last edited 10/30/2008 10:58 PM by kotheb