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Posted: 10/19/2008 11:50 AM

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I haven't posted in a while, so hello everyone! 

I think that the best part about this off season is that it can go SOOOOO many different ways.  Look, our team is pretty darn good as it is.  If Carp is healthy, a Carp-Waino-Lohse  is a really good and could be great top 3.  We obviously have the corner infield positions locked up, a really good catcher who really found his stroke at the plate this year, luddy was no fluke he's a slugger and Ank is a rising star.  Left field works pretty well with schumaker platooning because skip is pretty darn good against righties.  We've got some young guys in the Pen that could go really far.   Yeah, there's questions and uncertainies but we have all the building blocks of a great team and some payroll flexibility to get better.  We also for the first time in a while have some real good trade chips.  Anything can happen in a season, and honestly if we left the team exactly as it is now we would probably win 80 games next year with the posibility of winning only 70 or doing stellar and winning 90.  Injuries happen, disapointing performances happen but you can never know who or when that will strike.  If we didn't do anything at all right now, perez/motte could anchor a young bullpen with tyler joshnon and josh kinney resurfacing as outstanding options for middle relief.  Or they could all suck and we'd be in some deep trouble.  Lopez could stay and play a good 2nd base, and all we really would have to address is SS.

So what's exciting is that while we have some holes in this team, they aren't that big and really what we need to just be a contender is a few proven performers out of the pen and and some middle infield help.

All of that said, I hope we don't stand idle.  We could really make a spash this year in the trade market and free agency.  I'm not saying we will, because we have to look to the future too, but think about what we could do if we wanted.  Ankiel-Motte-Garcia(i know he's injured, but whatever)-todd-ottavino for Peavy.  Colby-Adam Kennedy-Freese-Anderson-Mortenson-McClellan for Halladay and Vernon Wells.  Yeah, I know that's pretty rediculous to even say, and neither of those is will probably ever happen but they aren't impossible any more.  If the mission in front of Mo was to "go assemble a outstanding starting pitching core without substantially weakening the lineup or making this year's payroll exceed 110 million"  he could actually do it.  I'm dreaming, I know, but Halladay, Wainwright, Carp, Peavy, Lohse as a rotation would be un-freaking-believable.  Seriously when you went to the playoffs, any one of the top 4 could start your game one and you'd like your chances no matter who you were facing.

Or we could keep Ank, call up Colby, package some of the excess outfield prospects for a pitching prospect or a decent middle reliever, sign orlando hudson and will ohman if for no other reason than his hilarious harry caray impression.  We can see if freese mid season is ready for 3rd, and if freese lights it up, dare i say trade Glaus at the deadline for whatever other help we need at the time.  Hudson-Colby-Pujols-Ludwick-Ankiel-Glaus-Molina-Pi tcher-Lopez looks pretty darn good to me.  Really Really good to me actually.   That's adding one player and calling another up.  And frankly with the other 7 guys out there, even in Colby bombs his first month, you can stick with him to see what you have just flip him with lopez to the 9 hole. 



Oh I'm just rambling on and on I guess, I'm just excited because there is soooo many ways this offseason can go, and I think it will go well.  The negative nancys on this board can say that we'll never spend money, we over value our prospects so we wont make a trade, everyone on the team but pujols sucks, the sky is falling, we'll never win a game again, blah blah blah.  But I'm a fan, and I'm optomistic that we will have an exciting team next year, though I have no idea what it will look like.

Last edited 10/19/2008 11:53 AM by ibetyoulose

Posted: 10/19/2008 5:13 PM

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This team is a along ways form pretty darn good after finishing fourth.  They are decent and that is all.  Ludwick may have been a fluke or he may be for real.  Ankiel is as good as he will ever get and besides he is a glass man.  Carpenter is probably finished.  Perez and Motte are unproven.  The holes are glaring; no SS no 2nd baseman, no closer, no reliable lefthander out of the pen.  We are short two good starters and we need a cleanup hitter.  Major holes if we intend to win the division next year.  It will take an effort of Biblical proportions to bring this team back to respectability.

Posted: 10/19/2008 5:33 PM

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I don't see the Cards trading Rasmus for Peavy.  That would have to include a long term (high $) commitment to Ankiel so they would be adding money in both places.

Adding Peavy and subtracting Wainwright is not a huge step forward.

Adding Peavy while keeping Wainwright and Rasmus and giving them anything else they want is a large step forward.  I don't think the Pads do a deal like this though.
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Posted: 10/20/2008 12:08 AM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote: This team is a along ways form pretty darn good after finishing fourth.  They are decent and that is all.  Ludwick may have been a fluke or he may be for real.  Ankiel is as good as he will ever get and besides he is a glass man.  Carpenter is probably finished.  Perez and Motte are unproven.  The holes are glaring; no SS no 2nd baseman, no closer, no reliable lefthander out of the pen.  We are short two good starters and we need a cleanup hitter.  Major holes if we intend to win the division next year.  It will take an effort of Biblical proportions to bring this team back to respectability.

I would call this current team respectable. It will take a few pieces to bring it to world champions.....

I have a hunch that one way or the other, this offseason is going to be a big one for us. I feel like we are going to land, one way or another very solid, if not spectacular pieces to fill the holes that we have on this ball club. I cannot say for sure what moves will be made, or even how they will initially look on paper once they are made, however I am confident that whatever moves get made will work out better than you might expect initially.

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Posted: 10/20/2008 12:30 AM

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Posted: 10/20/2008 8:08 AM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote: I was suprised to hear that S.D would not be lookink for outfielders in trade for Peavy Mr. Padre. Hearing this makes me wonder if they are serious about trading Peavy at all. When Scott Hairston is the best outfielder on your team and no one will take Giles not even for free they should be looking for help. I mean honestly that roster looks pretty sickly to me. Gonzalez is nice and you have some guys in the bullpen but the rest of team is weak. I like the fact that you post here and am not trying to offend i am just shocked that Pads are wanting middle infield and pitching. GO CARDS!
Chase HEadley and Jody Gerut are actually pretty good hitters.
But the main reason is that our Minor League System is LOADED with outfielders on the way.......and VERY thin up the middle.If we don't compete again until 2010 or 11'(likely),then we expect to be just fine in the outfield.There is little help if any at second and short.





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Posted: 10/20/2008 12:37 PM

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I have a trade idea, how about looking to Tampa Bay for SS Ben Zobrist? They have Bartlett and Breignac, so he may be quite attainable.

Posted: 10/20/2008 4:56 PM

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I have a trade idea, how about looking to Tampa Bay for SS Ben Zobrist? They have Bartlett and Breignac, so he may be quite attainable.

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I have liked Zobrist since last winter. He is from Eureka IL and was an Ozzie Smith fan as a child. He would love playing in StL. I don't think he is a future HOFer, but his minor league stats suggest that he can hit for average and can get some walks. Not sure about his defense though. Does anyone have any info on his D?

I think TB may be hard to deal with though.

Posted: 10/20/2008 5:03 PM

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I'd like to make a play at a player that plays well against their park.  Meaning enough with the Peavy (best pitcher in the most notorious pitchers park) and Holliday (ditto only reversed), let's go with some Rockies pitchers ala Kile or some Mariners hitters...

any worthy suggestions??
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Posted: 10/20/2008 8:53 PM

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There aren't any Mariners hitters I'd want to trade for.

Now Felix Hernandez or Brandon Morrow OTOH....
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Posted: 10/20/2008 9:45 PM

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kotheb wrote: There aren't any Mariners hitters I'd want to trade for.

Now Felix Hernandez or Brandon Morrow OTOH....

If he didn't play outfield, what about Balentein? Doesn't he play in seattle?

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Posted: 10/20/2008 11:19 PM

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philskill wrote:

If he didn't play outfield, what about Balentein? Doesn't he play in seattle?


Nope.  First, as you pointed out, he plays in the outfield.

Second, he was pitiful this year:

in 243 ABs he hit: .202/.250/.342, 7 HR, 24 RBI, with an OPS+ of 58

It gets even worse.  In his career he hits better at home:

.221/.252/.382

vs. on the road:

.191/.256/.339
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Posted: 10/21/2008 12:01 PM

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i just read via buster olney via mlbtraderumors that we were aggressively looking into Mark Prior....sounds like a good under the radar high upside type of signing we coudl turn into somethign special..when Moz first talked about our needs he talked about not going after abig name guy but more a bargain investment...i think this could be that type of signing...he doesnt have to come and be an ace...just an alternative to Piniero or fill in for Carpenter..that is once we re-sign Welle

Posted: 10/21/2008 12:54 PM

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You mean Mo is going to try and sign slugs off the junk heap?  I never thought I'd see that in St. Louis.  Now that is being aggressive.
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Posted: 10/21/2008 1:04 PM

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I was reading the Post Dispatch online and came across someone that said he saw on FSN that the Yankees were seriously interested in Ankiel. They were dangling Ian Kennedy and/or Phil Hughes. Has anyone else heard this or is it BS.

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Posted: 10/21/2008 1:29 PM

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thejager wrote: i just read via buster olney via mlbtraderumors that we were aggressively looking into Mark Prior
One would like to think that the MCE (Matt Clement Experiment) is not too far removed from the minds of our Cardinal brass.  Prior hasn't delivered a single game pitch the past 2 seasons.  Over the past 5 years, he's 18-17 with an ERA in excess of 4.  Yet, he is still able to fleece teams out of pretty good money.  I could be wrong, but I think Prior knows that he will never pitch or at least pitch effectively in the majors ever again.  Wouldn't you have documented workouts and talk like you still had aspirations to be a future CY winner for a million plus a year?

Posted: 10/21/2008 2:23 PM

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PaytonP wrote: I was reading the Post Dispatch online and came across someone that said he saw on FSN that the Yankees were seriously interested in Ankiel. They were dangling Ian Kennedy and/or Phil Hughes. Has anyone else heard this or is it BS.
About a month ago on this thread I suggested a swap with the Yanks for Ankiel.  It makes sense.  They need a CF and they're not afraid of a big contract.
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Posted: 10/21/2008 3:36 PM

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cards13 wrote:
PaytonP wrote: I was reading the Post Dispatch online and came across someone that said he saw on FSN that the Yankees were seriously interested in Ankiel. They were dangling Ian Kennedy and/or Phil Hughes. Has anyone else heard this or is it BS.
About a month ago on this thread I suggested a swap with the Yanks for Ankiel.  It makes sense.  They need a CF and they're not afraid of a big contract.

So this could be legit?

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Posted: 10/21/2008 3:38 PM

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hmm..ankiel to NYC...i like it for Hughes or Cano maybe....i know we originally wanted kennedy when he was in the draft too..Cano or Hughes iwoudl be for it...Kennedy..i dunno
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Posted: 10/21/2008 3:57 PM

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Living in Seattle, I see a lot of Mariner games and read a lot of Mariner news. RE: Balentien, he's got talent - but he's unproven. I'm going to date myself here, but he reminds me so much of David Green. I hope he applies himself more than Green did and I think he will. This was a horrible Mariner team to break in with. The front office is a joke and the clubhouse is a mess. I don't see the M's moving Balentien, he's got 40 dinger power. As a matter of fact, the only guy that I've seen in person that impressed me more, swing to swing, for pure power is Pujols. I'm pretty far removed from it - but if attitude is a part of it - I like Balentien better than Colby. (I might not know all the reasons, but from my limited understanding, I don't like Colby not playing winter ball.)

Anyway - I hope Duncan comes back healthy and I hope the Cards trade him to Seattle. I like CD and this would be a perfect place for him - first base is open and the right field porch is close. Morrow (who I think is better than Felix) and Rowland-Smith are untouchable. The M's are looking at GM candidates and a few have pulled themselves out of the running for the job - rumor has it because the ownership won't allow Ichiro to be dealt. Putz should be on the market - this year was a fluke - er, at least I think it was - Ankiel for Putz would be nice - but that's just me talking. (I'm an Ankiel fan - probably more cause I love my 'birds than anything - but he's another guy that would play well in Safeco - I'm not itchin' to see him go, but we've got soooo many flycatchers that I think dealing him would be fine.)

I'd love to see Ankiel go to NY - but I'm not big on Kennedy...or Hughes - especially when TLR is the skipper. It might be biased thinking, but I don't want Tony touching young pitchers.

I'm afraid of Peavy - probably because of Mulder. Now if the Padres would only take Anthony Reyes...for him. ('Course that'd probably require Asdrubal Cabrerra and Jon Meleon too and that won't do the Redbirds any good...)
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