Garc805234 wrote: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...0137/index.html   RC,can he be added now?

RCWarrior wrote:

easton714 wrote:

A bit off-topic, but...

It sounds to me like Colby is not going to be interested in signing any Evan Longoria-esque contract with us once he is cemented in the starting lineup.  Rightly or wrongly, we may have ticked him off enough that he will go year-to-year and then jump ship.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

The glass is definately half full for you Easton.      Chris Perez for number two but he should be number one.

easton714 wrote:

RCWarrior wrote:

easton714 wrote:

A bit off-topic, but...

It sounds to me like Colby is not going to be interested in signing any Evan Longoria-esque contract with us once he is cemented in the starting lineup.  Rightly or wrongly, we may have ticked him off enough that he will go year-to-year and then jump ship.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

The glass is definately half full for you Easton.      Chris Perez for number two but he should be number one.

I did say "once he is cemented in the starting lineup", RC.  This time, I didn't say when I think that should be.



Do you doubt that he will EVER be cemented in the Cardinals starting lineup?

(or are you just shifting attention away from the rest of my post...)

My first 5 are going to be:

1) Colby (as previously stated, a pure 5 tool guy)

2) Perez (dominate even when they know what is coming)

3) Wallace ( I have not seen him but his #S are impressive)

4) Anderson ( consistent and a good catcher is always needed)

5) Boggs ( competed well at every level and will be in starting rotation next year)


Except Wallace I have seen them all play alot and at the AA and AAA level I think they are the most probable to contribute consistently at the next level.

RCWarrior wrote:

 

I am not optimistic at this point in time that Colby will ever be cemented into a lineup in St. Louis because he just hit .250 in AAA, which is not very good by the way.    I have posted my thoughts numerous times that I think the current group of outfielders are really good baseball players and that those players could be in St. Louis for many years blocking Colby from ever playing in St. Louis.  They are better than he is right now and may continue to be in the years to come but for Colby to dislodge any one of them(and Skip is the only one who can be dislodged) he will have to play above his head IMO because TLR will never put him in the lineup if he is not way better than what is already there.

That is fine.  He will be "way better" than Skip by mid-2009 (if not already).  All he has to do to accomplish that is bring his bat to the dish against lefties.

Look at who's in St. Louis and who's on the way.  Daryl Jones, Jay, Robinson, Wallace, Freese, Craig are all going to be playing OF next year.  I still believe Colby is the best trade chip that can be traded so I still think the odds are Colby is traded is TLR stays.

But your post was infering that Colby would not be signing a long term contract with St. Louis because he was mad with the organization.  Well he never told me he was mad with anybody but himself. 

Ok, well then I misinterpreted your previous post on the subject.  My apologies.

I get the impression he was indecisive on many things he did this year and unsure of himself.  I think he finally understands what he needs to do and will not be swayed from what he believes he needs to do to be ready to hit in AAA.  He does not believe he has a chance to make the team out of Spring training(geez,  finally) and knows he will have to prove himself in AAA if he is ever to touch foot in the big leagues.  This is a major upgrade in his thinking process IMO because he thought Spring training numbers would dictate his making the team this year and he never had a chance.  He understands this now, which is good.  This way he can focus on hitting in AAA and not worry about Spring training next year, heck, I wish they wouldn't even let him in big league camp, until he earned it. 

Colby will be fine.  He sounds like a neat young man and he is a hell of a ballplayer.  I look forward to seeing his name on the lineup card for a long time (no matter when his tenure actually begins).

prospectsRus wrote: Rasmus #1(Injurys and a down year.Im not worried. Talent is Talent.Still young)       


I will give you guys an advance on how I will be Voting in top 20! the last 10 not  in any particuler order.

                            2 RHP Perez(proving it in the Big League)
                            3 3b Wallace(Doing great but it is a Small Sample)
                            4 C Anderson(Rare Catcher who can hit)
                            5 LHP Garcia(Flashed Middle of Rotation type guy this year)
                            6 RHP Todd(Has not failed any mission yet)
                            7 3b Roberto De La Cruz(Player signed out of Dominican Republic who recieved over 1 million $. that is 1st round $ so he should be a 1st round talent.)
                            8.RHP Mortenson(Fast riser)
                            9.RHP Ottavino(Bad year.Talent is Talent. Fb 90-98mph if they move him to bull pen will be setting up for perez in 2010.
                           10. OF Jones(Patiance is paying off)
                           1?. OF Jay( I Believe in his bat)
                           1?  RHP Motte(99mph fb)
                           1? RHP Riefer (99mph fb)
                           1? RHP Samuel(99mph fb)
                           1?  SS/3b Vasquez( Love the way he started right out of the gate)
                           1?  SS Kozma(Young middle Inf in High A)
                           1?  Rhp Herron(Young Arm Possible Back of Rot Starter)
                           1? Rhp Boggs(Did very well in 3A)
                           1? 3b Craig( Still Proving he can hit)
                           ?? 3b Freeze(Good showing in 3A)

20-30 will include Lynn,Robinson,Salas, ETC

Remember Bottom 11-20 are not in Order.

We have got good arms and 3b!10 pitchers and 5 3b in my top 20.

Perez

The competition for the Cardinal closer is closed.

For those in doubt you can't have been watching him pitch since he returned from Memphis. I suspect that Ryan Braun and Cecil Fielder would vote for him.

I wish they had let Motte or Kinney pitch last night but Perez was awesome.

CariocaCardinal wrote: RC, I hope you keep voting as you have seen a lot more of these prospects in person than most of us here.


A question about your thoughts on TLR.  You seem to be a strong supporter but also seem to indicate that he is biased against Colby because of all the questions he gets about him.   why would you support a manager so petty against any player (yet alone your own son)?

Nice insight, RC.

That post explains things more clearly for me.  I think the reality is a little (or a lot) differentl from how I interpreted.

CariocaCardinal wrote:
prospectRus,

Roberto de La Cruz got 1st round money but there are two factors you need to consider.

1) he was a FA so he had considerable more negotiating leverage than even a 2nd or 3rd round pick and

2)  BA/Baseball Prospectus research values even 2nd round picks at several million dollars.   Not having to spend the value of that pick makes a big difference.

My personal opinion is he probably a 3rd round pick talent or so with a high risk high reward potential.   Given that even our second round pick who is young (20?) and has a .800+ OPS will struggle to make the top 40-50 I am not about to give that kind of leeway to a guy who hasn't played a day and who is not extremely highly touted.   Look at your own rankings.  Lynn (a supplemental #1)  who really had an outstanding season (better than Mortensen last year?) doesn't even make your top 20.

You are of course entitled to your own opinion.

kotheb wrote:

Yes RC thank you, that definitely clears stuff up for me as well.

 

Good to hear the outlook on the organization is good from you.

As for the vote for #2 prospect, I'm struggling between Perez and Wallace.  It's tough because the definition of prospect for me considers their long term future, not who has already shown promise in the majors.

I think for now I'm going to go with Perez because Wallace still has a relatively small sample size, but considering how quickly Wallace has jumped up and mashed AA when others have struggled there to start off (Colby included), it's hard not to put Wallace #2.

I guess that lets everyone know who my #3 is.

RCWarrior wrote:

 

Wallace is the best hitter in this organization bar none.  But unfortunately he will probably be destined to play in the OF if he remains in St. Louis.

CariocaCardinal wrote: I think RC meant that in another organization he would probably end up at First base.

CariocaCardinal wrote: I think RC meant that in another organization he would probably end up at First base.