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Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team (and Taveras struggles)

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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:36 PM

Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team (and Taveras struggles) 


Should improve the pinch-hitting situations.
Atlanta Braves: 13 years since their last NLCS, 15 since their last World Series - LOL!  Must be the infield fly rule's fault!

Last edited 9/10/2014 9:41 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:41 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


If he can make contact.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:52 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


Fine, I guess - but this might have been our last opportunity to bring up Pham before the deadline.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 5:17 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
Atlanta Braves: 13 years since their last NLCS, 15 since their last World Series - LOL!  Must be the infield fly rule's fault!
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Posted: 8/26/2014 6:04 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 



bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 7:59 PM

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blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
If he (and any other minor league player) still did not have things to work on, they most likely would have been in the majors already.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:29 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


And what did he do in his pinch hit return debut, down a run late in the game...

an RBI hit.

All the way! All the way! All the way!
Atlanta Braves: 13 years since their last NLCS, 15 since their last World Series - LOL!  Must be the infield fly rule's fault!
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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:17 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


Never mind. The #FireLilliquist bullpen ended up losing the game anyway,
Atlanta Braves: 13 years since their last NLCS, 15 since their last World Series - LOL!  Must be the infield fly rule's fault!
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:12 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 



blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
people;e are tolerating Taveras slow start so why not be patient with Grichuk?Give the kid a chance.He hasn`t been given a 3 month free play card like Oscar.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 10:26 PM

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You think they'll just play him over anyone else in the OF? Even Bourjos?

Robinson wasn't playing very much. My guess is he won't play much either.


Bworth wrote:
blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
people;e are tolerating Taveras slow start so why not be patient with Grichuk?Give the kid a chance.He hasn`t been given a 3 month free play card like Oscar.

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Posted: 8/27/2014 3:07 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 



619illinibooyah wrote: You think they'll just play him over anyone else in the OF? Even Bourjos?

Robinson wasn't playing very much. My guess is he won't play much either.


Bworth wrote:
blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
people;e are tolerating Taveras slow start so why not be patient with Grichuk?Give the kid a chance.He hasn`t been given a 3 month free play card like Oscar.
I think he will play when a LHP starts and he will continue to pinch hit.I don`t expect him to get more than 25-30 ABs in the rest of the season.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:00 PM

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Bworth wrote:
blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
people;e are tolerating Taveras slow start so why not be patient with Grichuk?Give the kid a chance.He hasn`t been given a 3 month free play card like Oscar.
You just nailed it. Technically, Grichuk's swing is much more geared for success than Taveras. Taveras looks like a little leaguer wailing away with not much idea about the strike zone or other hitting mechanics.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:13 PM

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I'd feel better about Grichuk's 25 homers at Memphis is he hadn't been batting .259 and OBA'ing .311.

That said, he's at least a threat to hit a home run.  Pham is probably a better all-around player, though.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:14 PM

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ageelaw wrote:
Bworth wrote:
blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
people;e are tolerating Taveras slow start so why not be patient with Grichuk?Give the kid a chance.He hasn`t been given a 3 month free play card like Oscar.
You just nailed it. Technically, Grichuk's swing is much more geared for success than Taveras. Taveras looks like a little leaguer wailing away with not much idea about the strike zone or other hitting mechanics.
It stands to reason that Grichuk will strike out more in MLB and he did at AAA, and his K rate was something like 30% in AAA.  It is also very likely his HR rate will be lower.  I don't see that as adding up to much help.

I agree about OT's swing.  Ridiculous.  I can't believe a guy with a swing like that was thought to be ready for MLB.  I don't think he can do anything about it in September, so I don't expect his results to change for the better this season.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:25 PM

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ageelaw wrote:
Bworth wrote:
blingboy wrote:
bhoyal wrote: Adding 25 HR's to the lineup...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbkaeGtpME
"Adding 25 HR's to the lineup".

And 108 strikeouts.
people;e are tolerating Taveras slow start so why not be patient with Grichuk?Give the kid a chance.He hasn`t been given a 3 month free play card like Oscar.
You just nailed it. Technically, Grichuk's swing is much more geared for success than Taveras. Taveras looks like a little leaguer wailing away with not much idea about the strike zone or other hitting mechanics.
Wow you can't be serious?  talk about not having a clue what one is talking about...blah2blah2
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Posted: 8/27/2014 9:59 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


So far OT hasn't shown the ability to do anything special at this level.  Even if he does start to hit eventually, he'll just be another singles hitter at a power position, which the team already has too much of.

The hype was not justified.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 11:32 PM

Re: Randy G. (25 hr's) back to the big team 


Strauss addressed this in his chat today; he seems to feel that while the power projections and the Vlad comparisons were unrealistic, Tavares could still develop into a .285-.295 hitter with 15-20 homer power and 90 RBI-type production.  In other words, more of a classic line drive hitter rather than a pure power guy.  In this age of reduced offense, that would be plenty.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 5:51 AM

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ageelaw wrote: You just nailed it. Technically, Grichuk's swing is much more geared for success than Taveras. Taveras looks like a little leaguer wailing away with not much idea about the strike zone or other hitting mechanics.

Sometimes you say some absurd things.

Grichuk seems like he is wayyyyy out in front of the ball on his swing. Taveras has a long swing, but he waits until the absolute last moment to attack. His swing is so much better, I'm honestly baffled as to what you've been watching.

Then you mention the strike zone regarding Taveras, who is one of the best in baseball at making contact (even if it isn't translating at the moment)

If there is anything Grichuk has surprised me with, it is that he is much better at defense than Taveras. I thought a former minor league CF (Taveras)  would play RF better than a former RF (Grichuk)  would play CF.

I'll give Taveras the benefit of the doubt considering his major ankle surgery last year, but Grichuk has been wonderful. If he could lay off the breaking balls, he would be a wonderful platoon partner for Jon Jay in September (once Jay cools down) and next year.

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Posted: 8/28/2014 6:03 AM

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SD70Mac wrote: So far OT hasn't shown the ability to do anything special at this level.  Even if he does start to hit eventually, he'll just be another singles hitter at a power position, which the team already has too much of.

The hype was not justified.


Taveras just turned 22 years old. He had a minor league slugging percentage of .516. Your ability to denigrate Oscar so quickly is, in fact, not justified.
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Posted: 8/28/2014 6:46 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: Strauss addressed this in his chat today; he seems to feel that while the power projections and the Vlad comparisons were unrealistic, Tavares could still develop into a .285-.295 hitter with 15-20 homer power and 90 RBI-type production.  In other words, more of a classic line drive hitter rather than a pure power guy.  In this age of reduced offense, that would be plenty.

It's just so hard to compare players from that era (peak-steroids) to players today.

Going back to the 80's, perhaps he'll be more like Andre Dawson, Cesar Cedeno, or Keith Hernandez at his peak and those were really good ballplayers.

Hernandez had a miserable start to his career too back in 1975.
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