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Lyons up, Garcia down

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Posted: 8/25/2014 10:29 AM

Lyons up, Garcia down 


The lefty offers a fresh arm as he had been scheduled to start tonight for Memphis.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:48 AM

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Domeboys wrote: The lefty offers a fresh arm as he had been scheduled to start tonight for Memphis.
Great!  A pitcher that's 0-3 with the big club, with an ERA of 5.5!

WOO-HOO!! rolleyes
Atlanta Braves: 13 years since their last NLCS, 15 since their last World Series - LOL!  Must be the infield fly rule's fault!
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Posted: 8/25/2014 12:58 PM

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Does this mean sayonara for Disasterson? If so they're not getting much with which to replace him.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 2:59 PM

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It's a just-in-case move for now, with Lyons available for long relief and with a bullpen that has had to pitch 11 innings the past two days.

Hopefully, he won't need to be used, and he'll be available for a start in one of the doubleheader games on Saturday, along with Masterson - who may be getting his last chance on that day.  If Lyons *is* used this week, then we'll probably call up Gonzalez to be the 26th man (teams are allowed to carry 26 players on doubleheader days) and start one of the games, if we don't start Carlos Martinez instead.

And of course, next Monday, rosters expand and Garcia, Grichuk, et al can be called up.

And I just thought of something - what if, instead of calling up another extra pitcher on Saturday for the doubleheader, we call up Tommy Pham or Xavier Scruggs instead to make them eligible for postseason?  We could send Lyons or Greenwood "down" for Sunday to get back down to 25 for that day only and "recall" them on Monday, along with the rest of the callups when we can go up as high as 40.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:30 PM

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It's interesting that Garcia got sent to Springfield though, with Miclat already in Memphis.

I don't think I would trust Mateo as the primary Memphis 2Bman over Garcia if I was trying to secure a postseason berth.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 3:58 PM

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PadsFS wrote: It's interesting that Garcia got sent to Springfield though, with Miclat already in Memphis.

I don't think I would trust Mateo as the primary Memphis 2Bman over Garcia if I was trying to secure a postseason berth.
I think it has everything to do with Springfield likely missing the playoffs so they can more easily bring back Garcia more quickly.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:19 PM

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Jmodene1 wrote: It's a just-in-case move for now, with Lyons available for long relief and with a bullpen that has had to pitch 11 innings the past two days.

Hopefully, he won't need to be used, and he'll be available for a start in one of the doubleheader games on Saturday, along with Masterson - who may be getting his last chance on that day.  If Lyons *is* used this week, then we'll probably call up Gonzalez to be the 26th man (teams are allowed to carry 26 players on doubleheader days) and start one of the games, if we don't start Carlos Martinez instead.

And of course, next Monday, rosters expand and Garcia, Grichuk, et al can be called up.

And I just thought of something - what if, instead of calling up another extra pitcher on Saturday for the doubleheader, we call up Tommy Pham or Xavier Scruggs instead to make them eligible for postseason?  We could send Lyons or Greenwood "down" for Sunday to get back down to 25 for that day only and "recall" them on Monday, along with the rest of the callups when we can go up as high as 40.
That would be a pretty slick move. Great idea.

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Posted: 8/25/2014 8:23 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote: It's a just-in-case move for now, with Lyons available for long relief and with a bullpen that has had to pitch 11 innings the past two days.

Hopefully, he won't need to be used, and he'll be available for a start in one of the doubleheader games on Saturday, along with Masterson - who may be getting his last chance on that day.  If Lyons *is* used this week, then we'll probably call up Gonzalez to be the 26th man (teams are allowed to carry 26 players on doubleheader days) and start one of the games, if we don't start Carlos Martinez instead.

And of course, next Monday, rosters expand and Garcia, Grichuk, et al can be called up.

And I just thought of something - what if, instead of calling up another extra pitcher on Saturday for the doubleheader, we call up Tommy Pham or Xavier Scruggs instead to make them eligible for postseason?  We could send Lyons or Greenwood "down" for Sunday to get back down to 25 for that day only and "recall" them on Monday, along with the rest of the callups when we can go up as high as 40.
That would be a pretty slick move. Great idea.
Again, Matheny made it pretty clear that Martinez is not under consideration for the Saturday start.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:14 PM

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In his five August starts Gonzalez has an ERA of  2.67.  He's only walked 4 in 30.1 innings, with 23 K's.  In contrast, Lyons has a 5.40 ERA, with similar walk and K totals to Gonzalez, but a lot more hits.  I'm thinking that Gonzalez is the 26th man in the DH and gets a start.  If he does better than Masterson he may just get the Sept. 4 start against Milwaukee.
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Posted: 8/25/2014 11:36 PM

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And now, with Molina on rehab, it's suggested *he* could be the 26th-man callup on Saturday.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:41 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: And now, with Molina on rehab, it's suggested *he* could be the 26th-man callup on Saturday.
By whom? Someone in the know or a poster on another board? Big difference.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 12:43 AM

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Gagliano wrote: In his five August starts Gonzalez has an ERA of  2.67.  He's only walked 4 in 30.1 innings, with 23 K's.  In contrast, Lyons has a 5.40 ERA, with similar walk and K totals to Gonzalez, but a lot more hits.  I'm thinking that Gonzalez is the 26th man in the DH and gets a start.  If he does better than Masterson he may just get the Sept. 4 start against Milwaukee.
My guess, too. Along with being hotter right now, Gonzales has a brighter future.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 3:48 AM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote: It's a just-in-case move for now, with Lyons available for long relief and with a bullpen that has had to pitch 11 innings the past two days.

Hopefully, he won't need to be used, and he'll be available for a start in one of the doubleheader games on Saturday, along with Masterson - who may be getting his last chance on that day.  If Lyons *is* used this week, then we'll probably call up Gonzalez to be the 26th man (teams are allowed to carry 26 players on doubleheader days) and start one of the games, if we don't start Carlos Martinez instead.

And of course, next Monday, rosters expand and Garcia, Grichuk, et al can be called up.

And I just thought of something - what if, instead of calling up another extra pitcher on Saturday for the doubleheader, we call up Tommy Pham or Xavier Scruggs instead to make them eligible for postseason?  We could send Lyons or Greenwood "down" for Sunday to get back down to 25 for that day only and "recall" them on Monday, along with the rest of the callups when we can go up as high as 40.
That would be a pretty slick move. Great idea.
Again, Matheny made it pretty clear that Martinez is not under consideration for the Saturday start.
My point and Jerry's i believe is you you could sneak Pham or Scruggs onto the playoff eligible list. It might be time to see if Pham can play the Bourjos role anyhow. I doubt PB will be on this team after this year anyhow so it would be a look forward as well as a possible upgrade. I am suggesting Pham is a better hitter than Bourjos right now and is pretty good in center as well. Point is that Pham has earned a shot with his play the last three months, is a solid defender and brings a fresh face. This kid is more advanced and may be more talented than the other two prospects in Memphis even. Maybe he gets his shot now that Shane Robinson is banged up?

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Posted: 8/26/2014 8:28 AM

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I believe it was during the Goold chat, although I don't rember if it was Derrick doing the speculating or not.


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Jmodene1 wrote: And now, with Molina on rehab, it's suggested *he* could be the 26th-man callup on Saturday.
By whom? Someone in the know or a poster on another board? Big difference.

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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:45 AM

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With the injury to Robinson I assume Grichuk is on the move too.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 9:50 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: I believe it was during the Goold chat, although I don't rember if it was Derrick doing the speculating or not.

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Jmodene1 wrote: And now, with Molina on rehab, it's suggested *he* could be the 26th-man callup on Saturday.
By whom? Someone in the know or a poster on another board? Big difference.
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General manager John Mozeliak classified any plan to have Molina on the active roster before they expand Sept. 1 or during the next home stand as “TBD.” - Derrick Goold

I wouldn't say it is suggested that Molina could be the callup. But I suppose you could say it is one of the possibilities.
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Posted: 8/26/2014 2:11 PM

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The problem that they are going to have with Scruggs and Pham is roster space. Keith Butler could probably be dropped to make room. Then you get into Rondon, Diaz, Ortega, Lyons, Greenwood and so on. I hope they give Pham a shot. Probably last chance because he would be crazy not to go free agent. I am pleasantly suprised at the progress of Scruggs. After the rough spring training in 2013 I didn't think he was long for the organization. However, how many teams carry two first basemen.

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Posted: 8/27/2014 7:46 AM

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Yup.  There are 39 on the 40-man now, but Wacha coming off the 60-day will get them to 40.  A move of Butler to the 60-day is easy and opens up one space, but they'd have to give up on someone else to get to 40.  I'd think some on the 40-man will be dropped in the offseason to make space for new guys.  If they've figured out who will be dropped then they can just do it now rather than then.  I've not been able to follow closely enough this year to be sure who that would be. 

Alternatively, I wonder how long Robinson's shoulder rehab will take.  60 day DL for him?

Wacha's also a ways away.  I suppose you could bring up both Scruggs and Pham, putting Butler on the 60-day.  When Wacha comes off the list you make another move then.

Aardsma is also a possible add to the 40-man, complicating this more.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 8:00 AM

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As was discussed earlier, there is additional expense in putting any minor leaguer (in this case Butler) on the MLB 60-day, which is why it has not been done to date.
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Posted: 8/27/2014 10:49 PM

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Yup.  An expense.  But to this point there's been no benefit. Getting a player (Pham? Scruggs?) onto the MLB roster without losing anyone off the 40-man would be a benefit. 

Pham's cold spell and Molina's near readiness might make that move less likely, though.
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