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Posted: 8/12/2014 6:42 PM

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Could this now be the worst starting rotation the Cards have had in a long time? noidea
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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:20 PM

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playgolf wrote: Could this now be the worst starting rotation the Cards have had in a long time? noidea
Didn't realize my prescription drugs had that much affect on my spelling. eek
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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:28 PM

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Or your judgment. "Worst rotation?" Look at the numbers. Despite the recent rough patch, our guys are doing quite well.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:59 PM

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playgolf wrote: Could this now be the worst starting rotation the Cards have had in a long time? noidea
I suppose it depends on what you call a long time.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 11:55 PM

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The jury is still out but we have had injuries that played a part in all this. I think Lackey will be fine but he just got rocked like he did all year long against the Orioles. Miller is wild card and so is Masterson. If Derek cant get them righted soon you can kiss this season goodbye. Its already looking suspect as is.

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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:04 AM

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playgolf wrote: Could this now be the worst starting rotation the Cards have had in a long time? noidea
You sure you didnt mean worst offense in a long time?
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Posted: 8/13/2014 7:53 AM

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This current "starting 5" I was referring to.  It doesn't help this offense is offensive and puts more undo pressure on the pitchers. I guess"a long time" I was referring to the last few years.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 8:13 AM

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Agreed. I think we actually have a really solid 1-3 with Waino, Lynn, and Lackey right now. If Wacha is healthy by October then we have a rotation that can compete with the Dodgers or Tigers (i.e., we can win in October with them). Masterson, Miller, and Martinez are all guys who could be helpful then too.

We just need Masterson to get right and give us 6 decent innings down the stretch. Miller just needs to be on every other start until we either get Wacha back or can bring back Martinez as a starter.

Overall, this is a very good rotation. The problems have been injuries and inexperience.
619illinibooyah wrote: The jury is still out but we have had injuries that played a part in all this. I think Lackey will be fine but he just got rocked like he did all year long against the Orioles. Miller is wild card and so is Masterson. If Derek cant get them righted soon you can kiss this season goodbye. Its already looking suspect as is.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 3:08 PM

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playgolf wrote:
playgolf wrote: Could this now be the worst starting rotation the Cards have had in a long time? noidea
Didn't realize my prescription drugs had that much affect on my spelling. eek
Yeah, that's pretty brutal! biggrin

Lets see - Wainwright, Lynn, Lackey, Miller, Masterson. Hmmm, right now only the first two can be counted on to give you consistent quality starts. Miller was coming along, but his last start was not good. Hopefully Lackey will be good, although I'd still rather have Kelly in there (2 for 2 in QSs for Boston -course one was against us, and even any of us posters could probably get a QS against usredface).

Masterson has been deplorable. So overall not real strong at this moment in my opinion. But that could change in a couple of weeks, either for the better or worse, so we'll see. 

Just like a baseball season, you follow the old cliche of taking it a day (or game) at a time.
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Posted: 8/13/2014 4:55 PM

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Posted: 8/15/2014 2:40 PM

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This is by far and away the most miserable offense the Cardinals have had since the 90's and there isn't even a year they were close to this awful and lacking in power.

If they had this rotation (Waino, Lackey, Lynn, Masterson, Miller) in 2004, that team would have won 115 games, that was a horrible rotation with 3 guys who would have out hit anyone on this team easily.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 2:47 PM

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CardsInChitown wrote: This is by far and away the most miserable offense the Cardinals have had since the 90's and there isn't even a year they were close to this awful and lacking in power.

If they had this rotation (Waino, Lackey, Lynn, Masterson, Miller) in 2004, that team would have won 115 games, that was a horrible rotation with 3 guys who would have out hit anyone on this team easily.
I thought we had five 15 or plus game winners...or am I thinking of 2005?
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Posted: 8/15/2014 3:02 PM

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2004 rotation was Carpenter, Marquis, Morris, Suppan and Williams.  The first three won 15 games apiece; Suppan won 16 and Williams won 11.  Of course, going into the postseason, we were at a disadvantage because of Carpenter's injury, which is why Williams had to start Game 1 of the WS.

2005 rotation was Carpenter, Mulder, Suppan, Morris, and Marquis.  Carpenter won 21, Mulder and Suppan 16 each, Morris 14 and Marquis 13.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 3:18 PM

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Jmodene1 wrote: 2004 rotation was Carpenter, Marquis, Morris, Suppan and Williams.  The first three won 15 games apiece; Suppan won 16 and Williams won 11.  Of course, going into the postseason, we were at a disadvantage because of Carpenter's injury, which is why Williams had to start Game 1 of the WS.

2005 rotation was Carpenter, Mulder, Suppan, Morris, and Marquis.  Carpenter won 21, Mulder and Suppan 16 each, Morris 14 and Marquis 13.
In 2004, here are the FIP's.   Morris: 4.93, Marquis 4.55, Williams 4.10, Suppan 4.77, Carp 3.85.....

That goes to show how Wins don't mean a thing.... they were "good pitchers" because they gave up less runs than that amazing HR hitting lineup scored.

Put those numbers on this team and we'd be battling the Cubs for last place and probably be winning it!  

I used to say "damn this team just needs one big bat", but as the season rolls on, I think I've changed that mindset to "damn this team just needs TWO big bats" and they'd be great.  

I think Taveras will end up being fine with the bat (Holliday should let him sniff his paycheck and see what can happen if he ends up being a great player).

Bottom line is, if you score 0 runs, you won't win, regardless of how many you give up.... I vote for Taveras in CF next year, (before the next comment, yes, I realize he makes 17M for two more years) Holliday learning to play 1B and be the 4th OF and somehow finding a power hitting LF and RF so they can win a few 2-1 and 3-2 type games.  Holliday could still get plenty of AB's by mixing and matching him in LF, RF, 1B and DH.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 6:04 PM

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Tavares is not going to be playing CF. It's going to be hard enough for him to get out of the doghouse long enough to play RF.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 6:10 PM

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Maybe the starters are just underachieving right along with everybody else.
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Posted: 8/15/2014 11:38 PM

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Actually, they may be overachieving - the Cards are running five games ahead of their Pythag.
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