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2014 MLB game #118: Cards at Marlins: Tue 8/12

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Posted: 8/9/2014 9:02 AM

2014 MLB game #118: Cards at Marlins: Tue 8/12 


Adam Wainwright (14-6, 2.28) vs. Jarred Cosart (9-8, 4.51). 6:10 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 9:38 PM

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This is our only chance to avoid a sweep because it's not going to happen with Masterson on Wednesday.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 12:26 AM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote: This is our only chance to avoid a sweep because it's not going to happen with Masterson on Wednesday.
Mr. Optimistic speaks his words of encouragement for the day.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 7:15 AM

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At this point of the year a realist tells you it is not the Cards year. Again, Mo has problems.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 8:19 AM

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LarryHouston24 wrote: At this point of the year a realist tells you it is not the Cards year. Again, Mo has problems.

This post makes the realist in me wonder what our record was in 2011 after 117 games. How about 2006? I can't recall that either.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 9:01 AM

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LarryHouston24 wrote: At this point of the year a realist tells you it is not the Cards year. Again, Mo has problems.
What a horrible post... We are three out of first and currently are in a wild card spot. There are a ton of games left to be played against divisional opponents. Cool your jets. And I wonder why I hardly post here anymore.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 9:02 AM

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On a lighter note, in a week, I will be traveling from Cincinnati to St. Louis on my yearly trip. Taking my dad to a Cards game for a first time. Should be fun.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 9:25 AM

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bucknutjake wrote:
LarryHouston24 wrote: At this point of the year a realist tells you it is not the Cards year. Again, Mo has problems.
What a horrible post... We are three out of first and currently are in a wild card spot. There are a ton of games left to be played against divisional opponents. Cool your jets. And I wonder why I hardly post here anymore.
Look at your PMs.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 9:25 AM

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bucknutjake wrote:
LarryHouston24 wrote: At this point of the year a realist tells you it is not the Cards year. Again, Mo has problems.
What a horrible post... We are three out of first and currently are in a wild card spot. There are a ton of games left to be played against divisional opponents. Cool your jets. And I wonder why I hardly post here anymore.


If you saw my previous post, the answer to what our record was after 117 games in 2006 (WS Champs) and 2011 (WS Champs) was 62-55....or EXACTLY EQUAL to what our record is currently.


In fact, at this point:

In 2000, we had 64 wins, 53 losses.
In 2001, we had 62 wins, 55 losses.

In 2002, we had 65 wins, 52 losses.

In 2003, we had 61 wins, 56 losses.

In 2004, we had 77 wins, 40 losses.

In 2005, we had 74 wins, 43 losses.

In 2009, we had 65 wins, 52 losses.
In 2010, we had 65 wins, 52 losses.

In 2012, we had 64 wins, 53 losses.

In 2013, we had 67 wins, 50 losses.

So 01, 03, 06, 11, and the 14 teams are the closest in W/L at this point. The 2010 team should've finished stronger.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 10:08 AM

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We pretty much need to win this game. Miwaukee is in Chicago against the Cubs, so we can expect them to win another game or two in that series. With Waino on the mound, a loss tonight would be really disappointing.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 10:09 AM

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the cards have been so good for so long that many newer/younger fans simply don't understand what a bad cardinals team looks like.  to say that this year's cards team is pathetic or bad is simply silly, in my opinion.  it's mid august, we'd be in the playoffs if the season ended today, and we've battled injuries the entire season.

for many other franchises, this would be their best season in a decade.  here's a link to a fanpost over at VEB that shows just how awesome the cards have been since 2000.

Cards Rule!!!
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Posted: 8/12/2014 10:25 AM

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bucknutjake wrote: What a horrible post... We are three out of first and currently are in a wild card spot. There are a ton of games left to be played against divisional opponents. Cool your jets. And I wonder why I hardly post here anymore.
For those who have been asking recently where several regular posters have gone, bucknut summed up the sentiment of a couple that I have spoken to offline.

I get that the 2014 team has underachieved and agree, but acting like the world is ending after every loss can get really tiring. I can only hope those with a more balanced view continue to post and not let the over the top complainers run you off.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 10:31 AM

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Who else has disappeared? I just needed a break from here. Its hard to deal with that day in and out.

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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:05 PM

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bucknutjake wrote: On a lighter note, in a week, I will be traveling from Cincinnati to St. Louis on my yearly trip. Taking my dad to a Cards game for a first time. Should be fun.
Hey, that's really cool buck!  Sharing a game with your dad is certainly special.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:40 PM

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bucknutjake wrote: Who else has disappeared? I just needed a break from here. Its hard to deal with that day in and out.
I would like to know what Cardinal forums you know of where there's no negativity going on this year. It's differing views that make this place interesting. And the louder the fans and writers holler, the quicker needed changes are made by Mo'.

Remember the fan outburst that made La Russa "want to vomit" regarding the attacks on Chris Duncan? Without that over reaction that guy would have been around a lot longer batting .220 and kicking balls all over LF.

As to those that are bolstered by the Cards present record in regard to the past: There has never been a race in any division with FOUR valid contenders this late in the season. You just can't compare this year with the past.... there's no precedent. 

I don't believe that we will make it to the post season this year, and that's OK. We've had more than our share of success in the last 10 years. We'll get 'em next year. wink
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Posted: 8/12/2014 2:59 PM

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Masterson throws slower than Marco G
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Posted: 8/12/2014 3:19 PM

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All those teams listed from 2000-2013 had either McGwire, Pujols, or Beltran in the middle of the lineup.

Who does this team have? The offensive numbers don't lie.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 3:23 PM

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Lineup: Carpenter, Wong, Holliday, Peralta, Jay, Taveras, Cruz, Ellis 3, Wainwright.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 3:41 PM

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SD70Mac wrote: All those teams listed from 2000-2013 had either McGwire, Pujols, or Beltran in the middle of the lineup.

Who does this team have? The offensive numbers don't lie.

Maybe we need Tyler Greene back to jump start the offense?  After all, he did hit a double once.
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Posted: 8/12/2014 3:58 PM

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Carter64 wrote:
bucknutjake wrote: Who else has disappeared? I just needed a break from here. Its hard to deal with that day in and out.
I would like to know what Cardinal forums you know of where there's no negativity going on this year. It's differing views that make this place interesting. And the louder the fans and writers holler, the quicker needed changes are made by Mo'.....
Lots of negativity all around, but too much of it is of the drive-by one-line posts of the ilk of "Fire Matheny, he is clueless" or "Bourjos should be released because he isn't trying" or "The Cardinals suck and are going to miss the playoffs because I say so."

How can there be intelligent discussion about that?

What often happens is that someone makes an off-the-cuff negative comment with nothing to back it up, then someone else goes and looks up the facts to refute the original point. Then, before you know it, another unsubstantiated negative assertion pops up again and the cycle just repeats. I can see why it gets tiresome.

I rarely see the discussion the other way around, when the negative poster comes to the table with something of substance to say.

When it does happen, it can generate some thought and good discussion. For example, when I saw Carter's point that there has never been a four-way race this late in the season, it caused me to wonder. In fact, I am going to step aside now and look into that point more deeply.

However, I will note that the two Wild Cards does mean there are many more teams in the hunt up until the end. The original point implied the division race, but when it gets down to the wire, the motivation becomes to win one or the other - division or Wild Card.

Of course, there is a good reason to prefer to win the division, but as we know very well, Wild Cards can go all the way.
Brian Walton
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