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Posted: 6/28/2014 10:09 PM

Half way grades. 


Just my opinions guys. Feel free to critique, agree, dis agree or add. That is what it is all about.

(C)

Molina -       There is not a more effective and affective catcher in the game. Has shown some fatigue.
T. Cruz-        B-  He has done a great job catching but is not much with the bat. Tough position to play well

(IF)

M.Adams      A-   Has hit for Avg and power too. Surprising nimble on defense. A more of a threat v.s RP
K.Wong         C  Skilled but young. Still learning physically and mentally.
J.Peralta        B-  Has shown very good power and steady defender. Poor range, bad with Risp.
M Carpenter  B-  Still makes thing happen with the bat. Shown leadership. poor defender, too many K's
M.Ellis            D   Has been a black hole offensively, steady if unspectacular in the field. Can bunt and run.
D.Descalso   D-  Worse than Ellis on both sides of the ball. Leader that can put up a good out.

(OF)

A.Craig           C  Biggest disappointment this year, talented but lost right now. Immobile but good RF
J.Jay                  Been a very good hitter and defender. Underrated. Weak throwing arm.
M. Holliday     C+ Well below his career AVG's in almost everything. Better fielder this year. Need more.
P.Bourjos        D   Terrible OBP, can't lay off sliders. Very fast and very good defender. Need much more.
S.Robinson    Worse than Bourjos. AAAA org guy. Very good defender.

(SP)

Waino             A   One of the top pitchers in baseball.Top leader, very good hitter for a SP.
M.Wacha        B-  Been pretty good. Victim of rainouts, poor support and injury. 
L.Lynn            B+ Horse. Possible All star again.. Throws heavy ball but is susceptible to big Inning.
S.Miller           C+ Can dominate. Been erratic with control and HR ball. Needs to work on secondaries.
J.Kelly               Incomplete due to injury. Good athlete and pitcher. Six inning very good arm.
J.Garcia           Incomplete due to injury. Was very good for 4 or 5 IP then boom. Should be in pen.
C. Martinez     C  Great arm. Location problems and youth have cost him. A wild card.

(Pen)

T.Rose            Some locating problems. Better lately though. Racks up the Saves and K's fast.
P Neshek        Been a revalation. Moved into more prominent role finally.
R.Choate       B   Been tough except for one outing where he took one for the team. LOOGY
S.Maness      C  Gives up ton of hits. Ground ball specialist. Has actually been descent in IP eating role.
K.Siegrist        Incomplete due to injury. Had some location issues but still o.k. He is a wild card.
S.Freeman      Has beeh fantastic since call up. Much better control and confidence this year.
J.Motte            C   Needs to get velocity back up to be effective. Bullpen leader, Trooper.

GO CARDS!
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Posted: 6/28/2014 11:11 PM

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Too high :

craig, holliday, bourjos, robinson, descalso, ellis

shouldn't have to explain a one of those, but in case you don't know... our outfield is horrible, descalso and ellis are beyond horrible.


too low :

wong :  He'd put up 2.0 WAR over a full season even if he was only hitting like this (he was on pace for much better a week or so ago).  that's a 10 million dollar per year player as a rookie.  you smile and take that every time.  C?  puhleeze.

peralta :  he's on pace to be worth about 30-35 million this year (he ain't tulo, but he is worth WAY more than that contract he signed).  that's more than a mite better than "slightly above average" which is what a B- signifies.

carpenter :  if he was playing 2b he'd be having a ho-hum all star year and nobody would complain.  he's on pace for about 4.5 WAR (which would be significantly higher at 2b) -- yet which is still frankly obscenely good for another of your B-'s

pretty much all the pitching :  we're #1 in the league in batting average allowed and #3 in ERA.  And only two A's?  I know you want to lowball them because giving too many high grades just feels wrong but jeez, grow a pair.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:42 AM

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Brian, you're sure willing to dole out a lot of high grades for a team that is now 6.5 games out and shows no signs of making this a race.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 12:57 AM

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not really.  we're a team of extremes.  about 15 guys are doing their jobs fairly well.  the other ten have ranged between very bad and completely awful -- to the point that our team is obviously 6.5 out and having issues with consistency.  Those players are significantly worse than he listed.

we don't have a single outfielder with a WAR over 1 (holiday and jay both are at exactly 1, one of which who is getting paid like someone MUCH better and the other who is performing ok, but is an average player).  think about that one a minute.  our outfield is flat out terrible right now.

allen craig is essentially a replacement level player (.1 WAR).  That's an F.  Bourjos is as well (.5 WAR) -- only reason he's better is his defense is good (his offense is negative).

point with all this?  Our team needs a jolt.  Our outfield is culpable -- not our infield.
SD70Mac wrote: Brian, you're sure willing to dole out a lot of high grades for a team that is now 6.5 games out and shows no signs of making this a race.

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Posted: 6/29/2014 1:35 AM

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i'm going to change what i said there a bit... about 15 guys are doing fairly well.  about 3-5 are doing average to slightly below and 5-7 or so of them need replacing because they're beyond awful.

our pitching with a couple exceptions, big city, peralta, wong, molina and carpenter are the ones i see doing fairly well taking into account talent level and experience.

jay, rosie, and i'll throw in holliday as average but believe me i don't want to do so.

the rest?  ellis, descalso, bourjos, craig, et al?  bad doesn't cover it.  we've got 20-30% of our roster at replacement level or worse.  that means you could call up your replacement AAA guy and they'd do just as well -- or better.  NOT acceptable.

we need at least 2 major bats if we're going to make a run in my opinion.  you hope taveres can be one of them, but we still need another.  longoria or stanton would fill the bill (stanton only if taveres plays center).
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Posted: 6/29/2014 7:42 AM

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SD70Mac wrote: Brian, you're sure willing to dole out a lot of high grades for a team that is now 6.5 games out and shows no signs of making this a race.
Wondering why being one game out of a wild card apparently does not count?
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Last edited 6/29/2014 7:43 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:09 AM

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Domeboys wrote:
SD70Mac wrote: Brian, you're sure willing to dole out a lot of high grades for a team that is now 6.5 games out and shows no signs of making this a race.
Wondering why being one game out of a wild card apparently does not count?
It doesn't count because we are not Cubs fans.

Too many players are under-performing, the team is underachieving, and we are seeing far too much poorly played baseball.  

The offense is dysfunctional.  There is no power, no speed,  and in addition to no bottom of order production like last year, we also have poor middle of order production.  There is no bench.

Despite off-season efforts made to improve defensive range, overall defense, speed and athleticism, none of those factors are improved enough to make any difference, if at all.

The product on the field is sub-par by the standards Cardinal fans expect.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 8:31 AM

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blingboy wrote:
Domeboys wrote:
SD70Mac wrote: Brian, you're sure willing to dole out a lot of high grades for a team that is now 6.5 games out and shows no signs of making this a race.
Wondering why being one game out of a wild card apparently does not count?
It doesn't count because we are not Cubs fans.

Too many players are under-performing, the team is underachieving, and we are seeing far too much poorly played baseball.  

The offense is dysfunctional.  There is no power, no speed,  and in addition to no bottom of order production like last year, we also have poor middle of order production.  There is no bench.

Despite off-season efforts made to improve defensive range, overall defense, speed and athleticism, none of those factors are improved enough to make any difference, if at all.

The product on the field is sub-par by the standards Cardinal fans expect.
Over the top much?
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Posted: 6/29/2014 9:28 AM

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Some good comments. I'd rate Wong higher. He's been fine when he's played, but the injury is extremely unfortunate.

It's amazing this team is even playing as well as they have, as there are several key members who are performing well under their potential and/or career norms, plus a plethora of injuries. 

My sense is that we are about to fall out of the race entirely, as it seems we've sort of "done it with mirrors" so far. Actually we've done it with pitching, and with the injuries to the staff I wonder if we can sustain that. Then again, the hitting should be better and maybe it will start to click. 

You just never know. One thing about baseball, about when you think you have it all figured out, things will go in the opposite direction.
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Posted: 6/29/2014 11:06 PM

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Pretty fair.  I might've gone a little lower overall but you were consistent.  Seems odd that we are (were) holding the wildcard position all along with all our issues, but we can see that is now spiraling down quickly.  We might be wishing for these grades at season's end.

My favorite player on this team has become Neshek (alongside Waino and Yadi)....and that says all you need to know.
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Posted: 6/30/2014 10:16 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote: Just my opinions guys. Feel free to critique, agree, dis agree or add. That is what it is all about.

(C)

Molina -       There is not a more effective and affective catcher in the game. Has shown some fatigue.
T. Cruz-        B-  He has done a great job catching but is not much with the bat. Tough position to play well

(IF)

M.Adams      A-   Has hit for Avg and power too. Surprising nimble on defense. A more of a threat v.s RP
K.Wong         C  Skilled but young. Still learning physically and mentally.
J.Peralta        B-  Has shown very good power and steady defender. Poor range, bad with Risp.
M Carpenter  B-  Still makes thing happen with the bat. Shown leadership. poor defender, too many K's
M.Ellis            D   Has been a black hole offensively, steady if unspectacular in the field. Can bunt and run.
D.Descalso   D-  Worse than Ellis on both sides of the ball. Leader that can put up a good out.

(OF)

A.Craig           C  Biggest disappointment this year, talented but lost right now. Immobile but good RF
J.Jay                  Been a very good hitter and defender. Underrated. Weak throwing arm.
M. Holliday     C+ Well below his career AVG's in almost everything. Better fielder this year. Need more.
P.Bourjos        D   Terrible OBP, can't lay off sliders. Very fast and very good defender. Need much more.
S.Robinson    Worse than Bourjos. AAAA org guy. Very good defender.

(SP)

Waino             A   One of the top pitchers in baseball.Top leader, very good hitter for a SP.
M.Wacha        B-  Been pretty good. Victim of rainouts, poor support and injury. 
L.Lynn            B+ Horse. Possible All star again.. Throws heavy ball but is susceptible to big Inning.
S.Miller           C+ Can dominate. Been erratic with control and HR ball. Needs to work on secondaries.
J.Kelly               Incomplete due to injury. Good athlete and pitcher. Six inning very good arm.
J.Garcia           Incomplete due to injury. Was very good for 4 or 5 IP then boom. Should be in pen.
C. Martinez     C  Great arm. Location problems and youth have cost him. A wild card.

(Pen)

T.Rose            Some locating problems. Better lately though. Racks up the Saves and K's fast.
P Neshek        Been a revalation. Moved into more prominent role finally.
R.Choate       B   Been tough except for one outing where he took one for the team. LOOGY
S.Maness      C  Gives up ton of hits. Ground ball specialist. Has actually been descent in IP eating role.
K.Siegrist        Incomplete due to injury. Had some location issues but still o.k. He is a wild card.
S.Freeman      Has beeh fantastic since call up. Much better control and confidence this year.
J.Motte            C   Needs to get velocity back up to be effective. Bullpen leader, Trooper.
Looks good but Lynn an all-star?  Do you want me to physically die laughing?
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Posted: 7/1/2014 7:09 AM

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We need offense.  But, we just finished a series against a team that will be WS champions if they're pitching/playing as well in October.  We may be in danger of over-reacting.  Our pitching, alone, should have salvaged a split; but LA got a little bit lucky against Waino.  Against Grienke and Kershaw, most/all MLB teams are going to struggle when those two bring their A-games.

While we, now, have a clearer picture of where to focus attention towards improvement, we still have a pretty decent team on the field.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 8:45 AM

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--- MagnoliaCardFan wrote:

We need offense.  But, we just finished a series against a team that will be WS champions if they're pitching/playing as well in October.  We may be in danger of over-reacting.  Our pitching, alone, should have salvaged a split; but LA got a little bit lucky against Waino.  Against Grienke and Kershaw, most/all MLB teams are going to struggle when those two bring their A-games.

While we, now, have a clearer picture of where to focus attention towards improvement, we still have a pretty decent team on the field.

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Hope this can be said to be a voice of reason in a couple of months.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 11:33 AM

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Brian, have you heard anything recently about Craig's foot/ankle?

I think it is still bothering him. He has had a limp whenever I watch a game and I don't think he is running very well. I also think he has changed his swing a little. I wonder if that injury last year is not healed.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 4:07 PM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote:
 
Looks good but Lynn an all-star?  Do you want me to physically die laughing?
Is it possible to die from laughing?  If it is feel freebiggrin
As it turns out you can
http://theweek.com/article/index/254425/turns-out- you-can-die-from-laughing-too-hard

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Posted: 7/1/2014 4:38 PM

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forsch31 wrote: Brian, have you heard anything recently about Craig's foot/ankle?

I think it is still bothering him. He has had a limp whenever I watch a game and I don't think he is running very well. I also think he has changed his swing a little. I wonder if that injury last year is not healed.
No, I have not.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 4:44 PM

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Teufelshunde4 wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote: Looks good but Lynn an all-star?  Do you want me to physically die laughing?
Is it possible to die from laughing?  If it is feel freebiggrin
As it turns out you can
http://theweek.com/article/index/254425/turns-out- you-can-die-from-laughing-too-hard
Through June in 2012, when Lynn was an all-star: 10-4, 3.62 ERA. Through June 2014, 8-6, 3.38 ERA.
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Posted: 7/1/2014 9:15 PM

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Domeboys wrote:
Teufelshunde4 wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote: Looks good but Lynn an all-star?  Do you want me to physically die laughing?
Is it possible to die from laughing?  If it is feel freebiggrin
As it turns out you can
http://theweek.com/article/index/254425/turns-out- you-can-die-from-laughing-too-hard
Through June in 2012, when Lynn was an all-star: 10-4, 3.62 ERA. Through June 2014, 8-6, 3.38 ERA.
Lynn can hope that MM will take a page out of TLR's book.
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Posted: 7/2/2014 12:14 AM

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Teufelshunde4 wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote:
 
Looks good but Lynn an all-star?  Do you want me to physically die laughing?
Is it possible to die from laughing?  If it is feel freebiggrin
As it turns out you can
http://theweek.com/article/index/254425/turns-out- you-can-die-from-laughing-too-hard
Interesting-I didn't know that.  Thanks Teufelshunde4.  If I keep hearing people suggest that Lynn is all-star caliber I'll have to be careful.
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