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Roster changes - Gonzales, Kelly, Kozma

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Posted: 6/25/2014 10:25 AM

Roster changes - Gonzales, Kelly, Kozma 


Marco to 40-man and 25-man rosters. Kelly to 60-day DL, opening up 40-man spot. Kozma designated for assignment, freeing up 25-man spot. Cards have 10 days to resolve Kozma's immediate future.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 10:51 AM

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Kelly gets retroactive treatment because he's already missed so much time, right? It's not that he's out another 60 days? I thought he was getting ready for a few rehab starts.

Feel bad for Koz, but this isn't surprising. There's just not much need for him right now or in the near future now that we apparently have some SS depth.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:24 AM

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Yeah, I'm with you; I thought Kelly's return was close at hand.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:31 AM

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bigns11 wrote:

1) Kelly gets retroactive treatment because he's already missed so much time, right?
2) It's not that he's out another 60 days?
3) I thought he was getting ready for a few rehab starts.
1) Yes
2) No
3) Yes
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:42 AM

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Domeboys wrote: Marco to 40-man and 25-man rosters. Kelly to 60-day DL, opening up 40-man spot. Kozma designated for assignment, freeing up 25-man spot. Cards have 10 days to resolve Kozma's immediate future.

They designated Kozma but not either Descalso or Robinson. I would have designated the other two before Kozma, but all three can go. It baffles me that we have both of those two.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:46 AM

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Why would you bring Kozma up at all for one game? What a kick in the nuts!
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Posted: 6/25/2014 11:49 AM

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Domeboys wrote: Marco to 40-man and 25-man rosters. Kelly to 60-day DL, opening up 40-man spot. Kozma designated for assignment, freeing up 25-man spot. Cards have 10 days to resolve Kozma's immediate future.

They designated Kozma but not either Descalso or Robinson. I would have designated the other two before Kozma, but all three can go. It baffles me that we have both of those two.

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I agree koz has more value than DD who can't hit or field worth a crud.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:38 PM

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I'd prefer Kozma as well, as you can at least plug him in for defense late in games. But it partially depends on whether we have an extra lefty or righty bat in the outfield.

Still Descalso is not exactly an imposing bat to call on late in games. although he is marginally better than Pete.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 12:54 PM

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I think complicating factors is that since we used so many pitchers last night in Shelby's short outing (and who knows how many innings Marco can go today) they felt the need to go back to 13 pitchers. Otherwise we might well have seen Greenwood go down to make room for the kid.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:32 PM

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Even so, there was no reason to DFA him. Do we now have an open 40-man spot?

I guess Mozeliak wants to be able to bring Kelly back and not have an roster issue? It really doesn't make sense since they already used an option on Kozma back in April.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:42 PM

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Remember two years ago when we all thought Mozeliak walked on water? I am beginning to wonder if these guys know what they are doing at all. Yet ANOTHER mistake from the front office cements it for me. This is the worst run roster in either league and the gap seems to be widening everyday. I am done with logic when trying to figure out what they might do, it is bordering on the bizarre now.  Why designate one of two shortstops with major league experience in the organization instead of one of the 2 thousand outfielders we have? Or better yet why not just move Butler who is out for the year and next to worthless to St .Louis when healthy to the 60 day first before DFA Kozma? Guys up and down all year often for no reason at all, in need of an infielder so of course promote a relief pitcher, moves that border on incompetence on a weekly basis. Can someone enlighten me as to when Mozeliak contract is up? Matheny?

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Posted: 6/25/2014 2:03 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote: Remember two years ago when we all thought Mozeliak walked on water? I am beginning to wonder if these guys know what they are doing at all. Yet ANOTHER mistake from the front office cements it for me. This is the worst run roster in either league and the gap seems to be widening everyday. I am done with logic when trying to figure out what they might do, it is bordering on the bizarre now.  Why designate one of two shortstops with major league experience in the organization instead of one of the 2 thousand outfielders we have? Or better yet why not just move Butler who is out for the year and next to worthless to St .Louis when healthy to the 60 day first before DFA Kozma? Guys up and down all year often for no reason at all, in need of an infielder so of course promote a relief pitcher, moves that border on incompetence on a weekly basis. Can someone enlighten me as to when Mozeliak contract is up? Matheny?
I NEVER thought he walked on water.  He's pulled plenty of blunders along with some good moves.  He screwed up royally this past off season by getting us nothing.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 2:20 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote: Remember two years ago when we all thought Mozeliak walked on water? I am beginning to wonder if these guys know what they are doing at all. Yet ANOTHER mistake from the front office cements it for me. This is the worst run roster in either league and the gap seems to be widening everyday. I am done with logic when trying to figure out what they might do, it is bordering on the bizarre now.  Why designate one of two shortstops with major league experience in the organization instead of one of the 2 thousand outfielders we have? Or better yet why not just move Butler who is out for the year and next to worthless to St .Louis when healthy to the 60 day first before DFA Kozma? Guys up and down all year often for no reason at all, in need of an infielder so of course promote a relief pitcher, moves that border on incompetence on a weekly basis. Can someone enlighten me as to when Mozeliak contract is up? Matheny?
Just addressing the bolded part.

Moving Butler to the 60-man frees up a spot on the 40-man for Gonzales but doesn't free up a spot on the 25-man.  Someone on the 25-man has to go.

Why they didn't just send Kozma back to Memphis i/o DFAing him is a good question.  Maybe Kozma asked for his release?

And Descalso and Robinson must have incriminating photos.

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Posted: 6/25/2014 2:22 PM

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Tough times don't last long but tough people do -

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Posted: 6/25/2014 3:27 PM

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Haven't read Derrick Goold's article yet, but I also a long discussion about it with crdswmn over on the blog.

Link (scroll down to comments)
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Posted: 6/25/2014 3:45 PM

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Until Kelly gets back (and assuming he's back in good form), and unless Martinez develops into a reliable starter or Wacha returns healthy, we're just treading water. Our offense isn't good enough to make up for a drop in starting pitching, and we can't afford to fall far behind Milwaukee.

This is a pretty scary period for the Cards, I think. If we can stay alive for a few weeks until the injury dust settles some, then I think we'll be okay.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 3:49 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote: Remember two years ago when we all thought Mozeliak walked on water? I am beginning to wonder if these guys know what they are doing at all. Yet ANOTHER mistake from the front office cements it for me. This is the worst run roster in either league and the gap seems to be widening everyday. I am done with logic when trying to figure out what they might do, it is bordering on the bizarre now.  Why designate one of two shortstops with major league experience in the organization instead of one of the 2 thousand outfielders we have? Or better yet why not just move Butler who is out for the year and next to worthless to St .Louis when healthy to the 60 day first before DFA Kozma? Guys up and down all year often for no reason at all, in need of an infielder so of course promote a relief pitcher, moves that border on incompetence on a weekly basis. Can someone enlighten me as to when Mozeliak contract is up? Matheny?
Just addressing the bolded part.

Moving Butler to the 60-man frees up a spot on the 40-man for Gonzales but doesn't free up a spot on the 25-man.  Someone on the 25-man has to go.

Why they didn't just send Kozma back to Memphis i/o DFAing him is a good question.  Maybe Kozma asked for his release?

And Descalso and Robinson must have incriminating photos.
I see about the 25 man roster but this was not even necessary. Like you said they could have just sent Koz back down. You very well may be right about him asking to be set free of this mess. That makes a lot of sense and is something i didn't even consider. I would not blame Pete at all. Why he or Garcia was not brought up instead of Robinson when Wong went down is beyond me and very unusual. There have been a myriad of moves since last off season that just defy logic starting with Wiggy and Cedeno, two awful BB players that no one would have touched except for Mo. They have shown a complete inability to add good infielders or to use them properly and it costs this team on a weekly basis. I like Moz and Mike but the whole thing starts at the top if you ask me. I hate to admit it but Nathan was spot on when he said they did very little that made sense this off season, i had no idea Bourjos and Ellis were this bad. It really wouldn't matter that much if they were both hitting . 280 anyways b/c Matheny refuses to steal. The station to station approach is prudent with the roster we have but it is just another thing that costs the team wins especially when teams run all over our bunch of non throwing outfielders. That is another roster hole. We never replaced the arm or leadership of Beltran. Teams run at will on all of our guys. In short for about the tenth time this year i just don't get what they are doing with the roster. I am lost here.

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Posted: 6/25/2014 4:26 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:  I hate to admit it but Nathan was spot on when he said they did very little that made sense this off season, i had no idea Bourjos and Ellis were this bad.


We never replaced the arm or leadership of Beltran.

Very little?

We replaced Kozma with Peralta. That was pretty helpful.

As always though, it's quite easy to be hypocritical of the front office with 20/20 hindsight. Even with 20/20 hindsight, who, exactly, would have been able to "replace the great Beltran", while forgetting to highlight the obvious underperformances of Carpenter, Holliday, Craig, and Molina, which weren't expected)

If we had signed Beltran or say a solid Beltran-like OF, we wouldn't have a place for Matt Adams. The only area to improve would have been CF or 2B/3B and taking our chances with top talent like Bourjos/Taveras and Wong isn't a bad option even today.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 4:36 PM

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Domeboys wrote: Haven't read Derrick Goold's article yet, but I also a long discussion about it with crdswmn over on the blog.

Link (scroll down to comments)

BW, so Kozma is back on the 40-man roster now? What the what?

Also, since Kelly is injured on the 25-man roster, he would still make a ML salary. Does Keith Butler's 40-man roster spot come with additional perks like health coverage or something? Perhaps moving Kelly rather than Butler could be financially motivated to keep Butler happy, while with Kelly it doesn't matter?
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Posted: 6/25/2014 5:04 PM

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The Cards did not want to remove Kozma from the 40-man but had to pass him through waivers to option him out. I explained that at the blog.

From a roster management perspective, it means nothing as to whether Kelly or Butler was placed on the 60-day DL. Kelly can come back as soon as he is ready. They could move Butler then or do something else. No biggie at all.
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