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Those that are down on Matheny

Posted: 6/9/2014 5:56 PM

Those that are down on Matheny 


Need to look at how his hitters are performing.

Of the 7 starters with a track record, all are below last seasons OPS (Average 86 points) and the 4 reserves (Ellis, Descalso, Jay and Robinson) are well below last seasons OPS with the exception of Jay (.726 vs .721) Average drop off is 172 points.

Further all 11 are below last year and all but Molina behind their career average.

Holliday and Craig are the furthest from last year and their career averages. All of the reserves but Jay are way off.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 1:43 AM

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SoonerinNC wrote: Need to look at how his hitters are performing.

Of the 7 starters with a track record, all are below last seasons OPS (Average 86 points) and the 4 reserves (Ellis, Descalso, Jay and Robinson) are well below last seasons OPS with the exception of Jay (.726 vs .721) Average drop off is 172 points.

Further all 11 are below last year and all but Molina behind their career average.

Holliday and Craig are the furthest from last year and their career averages. All of the reserves but Jay are way off.
You are actually helping to make the opposite point Sooner. The big question is why is this happening? Now there are many factors and it is not all on Mabry and Mike like i have said several times. To dismiss them a a big factor is folly though IMO. When 90% of the roster is having down years at the same time then you can either believe it is coincidence or you can believe a change might do some good. Matheny has not shown capable of putting guys in a position to succeed in my opinion. The constant Yo-Yo game with Jay and Bourjos, not giving Wong constant starts at the beginning, batting Holli 3rd still with 3 Hr's and a Pitiful SLG% to name a few. The constant double switches, giving away outs with bunts when Bourjos and Wong are both capable of stealing instead, constant reliance on Descalso late to name a few more. Matheny has been absolutely atrocious as a manager this year, honestly the worst in my recent memory. To say this buffoonery is not an issue is like the people that still deny climate change. This team has also refused to change an approach that is not working. I give Mabry a lot of credit in working with Matt Carpenter ( i can see a lot of similarities in their swings) but i think the drop off since Big mac left is Striking. These guys used to have power. Where did it go? Did it just vanish like a fart in a strong wind? This club has good speed in Bourjos, Wong and Ellis but mike is clueless as to its power. Bourjos has 4 steal attempts all year. That is just incompetent. I think the manager has put this club in a bad spot time and time again with bone headed moves and at this level the other teams WILL take advantage of that fact. We all like Mike Matheny here and want to see him succeed but his stubbornness is NOT an asset. Since when does Yadier Molina need a mental break? This is outrageous! I believe there is a lack of confidence in the manager starting to creep in. Guys are taking this hard not just the fans. You can see it in the faces of Waino, Molina, Holli. Heck Matt Carpenter had to explode to wake this club up. This should not be happening. I just want to see M&M get their acts together and stop costing this very talented ball club wins.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 6:40 AM

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Many other highly-regarded teams in baseball are having the same issues we are, and the same puzzled expressions on their faces.  I can think of no reason to be down on Matheny.  Just look at the Rangers, Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, and Braves.
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Posted: 6/10/2014 8:25 AM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
The constant double switches, giving away outs with bunts when Bourjos and Wong are both capable of stealing instead, constant reliance on Descalso late to name a few more. Matheny has been absolutely atrocious as a manager this year, honestly the worst in my recent memory.



Heck Matt Carpenter had to explode to wake this club up. This should not be happening. I just want to see M&M get their acts together and stop costing this very talented ball club wins.


I'm not going to touch the rest of your post, but the top part has zero to do with OPS.

Sacrifice bunts (sacrifice hits since 1954), which would lower a batter's on-base percentage, are not included in the calculation for on-base percentage, as bunting is an offensive strategy – often dictated by the manager – the use of which does not necessarily reflect on the batter's ability and should not be used to penalize him.


On the second note, personally, I am ecstatic that Matt Carpenter had to "explode". That's something a leader should do from time to time. Isn't that one of your primary complaints about Holliday in that he doesn't ever do that? He's the Gary Cooper of the Cardinals!
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Posted: 6/10/2014 4:11 PM

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Everyone is aware that the manager isn't on the field. He is in charge of putting a lineup together and making in game decisions. We are all aware that the offense is worse than last season currently.It is the GMs job to give him the tools he needs to get this team in position to win.

Oh and just because other teams who were in the playoffs last are down as well doesnt mean its ok to be down.

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Posted: 6/10/2014 5:16 PM

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I agree with his point about giving up outs when you have legitimate base stealers on first. Hammering Holliday is his daily endeavor. As far as Craig goes, he had a career year last season and is simply not that good of a ball player. He will never, ever duplicate his average with runners in scoring position again in his career. When Adams gets back, I would make him the three hole hitter as he has one of the top 10 batting averages in the majors right now. I also did like the idea of putting Matt Carpenter there, but then who do you have that can produce a decent on base percentage from the leadoff spot?
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Posted: 6/12/2014 6:25 AM

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ageelaw wrote: I agree with his point about giving up outs when you have legitimate base stealers on first. Hammering Holliday is his daily endeavor. As far as Craig goes, he had a career year last season and is simply not that good of a ball player. He will never, ever duplicate his average with runners in scoring position again in his career. When Adams gets back, I would make him the three hole hitter as he has one of the top 10 batting averages in the majors right now. I also did like the idea of putting Matt Carpenter there, but then who do you have that can produce a decent on base percentage from the leadoff spot?

Why would you hit a guy who is all avg and not OBP or slg% in the 3 hole?  At least Holliday is still getting on base even though his slg% is down.  I am down on MM due to his repeated mistakes of repeatedly not putting players based on the relative strengths and weaknesses in positions to succeed on a consistent basis.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:18 AM

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I'm down on Matheney because he tends to overwork Yadi, and doesn't give Cruz enough playing time or won't use him as PH.

And he overworks about 3 relievers and doesn't give guys like Sam Freeman (with good numbers the last 2 years) much of a chance.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 9:54 AM

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dls357 wrote: I'm down on Matheney because he tends to overwork Yadi, and doesn't give Cruz enough playing time or won't use him as PH.

And he overworks about 3 relievers and doesn't give guys like Sam Freeman (with good numbers the last 2 years) much of a chance.
Welcome dls! I blame the arcane 25 man roster for the reason Cruz never PH's. We don't want to see Daniel Descalso catching late in a game do we? Heck, i suppose if Trevor Rosenthal can hit for himself in extra innings than anything is possible with this manager but it would be too risky IMO. I thought Freeman should have broke camp with the team but i believe they wanted him to work on his control in Memphis. I like Sam a lot but if he doesn't throw strikes then he does them no good. So far he has been spectacular.  I agree about the others. Matheny's bullpen management has been atrocious.

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Posted: 6/12/2014 4:04 PM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:
dls357 wrote: I'm down on Matheney because he tends to overwork Yadi, and doesn't give Cruz enough playing time or won't use him as PH.

And he overworks about 3 relievers and doesn't give guys like Sam Freeman (with good numbers the last 2 years) much of a chance.
Welcome dls! I blame the arcane 25 man roster for the reason Cruz never PH's. We don't want to see Daniel Descalso catching late in a game do we? 
I've said for years that the 25 man roster is a relic. Unfortunately there are forces at work that are primarily driven by money that keep common sense from ruling. 

Even a compromise would help, like say expanding rosters to 27 on July 1st, or maybe after the all star break. It's silly to make it so guys have to be shuttled back and forth between AAA and the majors several times a year.
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Posted: 6/12/2014 7:44 PM

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bicyclemike wrote:
cardinalnationhouston wrote:
dls357 wrote: I'm down on Matheney because he tends to overwork Yadi, and doesn't give Cruz enough playing time or won't use him as PH.

And he overworks about 3 relievers and doesn't give guys like Sam Freeman (with good numbers the last 2 years) much of a chance.
Welcome dls! I blame the arcane 25 man roster for the reason Cruz never PH's. We don't want to see Daniel Descalso catching late in a game do we? 
I've said for years that the 25 man roster is a relic. Unfortunately there are forces at work that are primarily driven by money that keep common sense from ruling. 

Even a compromise would help, like say expanding rosters to 27 on July 1st, or maybe after the all star break. It's silly to make it so guys have to be shuttled back and forth between AAA and the majors several times a year.
It seems to me that it is a much bigger deal in the NL because of the DH in the American league. Managers in the NL are usually going to hit for the pitcher at least once and sometimes 2 or 3 times in a game depending on how many times through the order they go. You add in the double switch carrot dangled and an NL manager burns through players a lot faster than their AL counter parts. I think the roster should be 25-27 players with the total being decided by each team. In other words if you are an AL team and wish to carry 25 or 26 you can. I think all NL teams would choose to use 27. Those two extra spots would most likely not be ten million dollar players but more likely the Taveras and Grichuk's of the world. Young prospects that make the minimum. I really don't think it helps a young player to be shuttled back and forth all year either.

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Posted: 6/18/2014 11:11 AM

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He who manages less manages best. That ain't Mike. Not yet at any rate.
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