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Matt Carpenter extension

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Posted: 3/5/2014 11:03 PM

Matt Carpenter extension 


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Posted: 3/6/2014 12:36 AM

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Lets see how this works out.


Would be great to lock him up and pay him off his season. Don't think he will duplicate it but if he gives us .280-.360-and and over .800 ops it will be a good bargain. Cards brass is doin work.

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Posted: 3/6/2014 3:13 AM

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Wonder what the terms are? Should be fair to both sides if recent history of Cards extensions holds form.
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Posted: 3/6/2014 6:55 AM

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If Carpenter did indeed leave yesterday's game to go have his physical then a deal is very close.  It may even be announced today unless there was a hangup with the physical.  Carpenter is certainly part of the core going forward so signing him to an extension is wise.  Let's just hope he stays healthy and productive.
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Posted: 3/6/2014 7:04 AM

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This is the best news I've woken up to read since the morning I woke up and found out that you can buy bread that's already sliced!
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Posted: 3/6/2014 7:10 AM

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Given his age and how arbitrators love power above all else, something very close to Craig's deal seems fair.  Maybe an AAV of 1M over, so 5/36 and then a 1/15M option?  That would potentially lock him up through 34 and he'd never have to hurt for money ever again....
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Posted: 3/6/2014 8:49 AM

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Mo has said a few times in the last year that they want to lock Carpenter up similar to how they did with Craig. Nice to see that intention materializing.
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Posted: 3/6/2014 9:29 AM

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That's great to hear they are working on something.  I think the Cards will have an opportunity to save a nice chunk of change long term in exchange for Matt Carpenter receiving some financial security.  There's definitely risk in that Carp has only done it one full year of starting, but he sure looks good at the plate and he's definitely the type of character guy that Cards fans will enjoy routing for in the years to come.
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Posted: 3/6/2014 11:43 AM

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Ken Rosenthal says the deal would be for six years, between $50-55 MM, and the sides are very close.

Here is an OOPS! from CBS Sports.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 8:08 AM

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Domeboys wrote: Ken Rosenthal says the deal would be for six years, between $50-55 MM, and the sides are very close.

Here is an OOPS! from CBS Sports.

Any idea if it will include 2014 or start in 2015?
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Posted: 3/7/2014 8:21 AM

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PadsFS wrote:
Domeboys wrote: Ken Rosenthal says the deal would be for six years, between $50-55 MM, and the sides are very close.

Here is an OOPS! from CBS Sports.

Any idea if it will include 2014 or start in 2015?
I don't think being pre-arb he actually "has a contract yet" right?  So I would assume and sort of hope that since he'd be 34 at the end of it, that it starts this year.  

I don't think they would front load it like they did with Peralta, but something more evened out and paying more that normal in years 1 and 2 and therefore less in years 3-6 makes sense when you consider that Miller, Wacha, Rosey, CMart, Taveras, Wong, etc will be getting into arb and FA years..... 

If (for easy math) it turns out to be 6/54, paying him an even 9M per year over the contract could make sense for more flexibility down the road.  Based on WAR/$ he was worth over $30M last year, so even if he regresses a bit, he'd still be worth every penny in 2014 and then some at 9M.  I hate to use the t word (trade) for Carp, however, it is something to consider, if Wisdom brings his BA and OBP up he could be knocking on the door and demanding a spot in 2016  Carp would be easier to move and bring back very good value in years 5/6 for example at 18M vs 30M or something along those lines.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 8:29 AM

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He does not have a contract for this year:

Matt Carpenter 3b
1 year/$0.504M (2013)

  • 1 year/$0.504M (2013)
    • re-signed by St. Louis 3/13 
    • award bonuses, including $10,000 for All-Star selection




https://www.baseballprospectus...ouis-cardinals/


The salary structure will be more like $3M, $6M, $9M, $10M, $11M, $12M I bet.

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Posted: 3/7/2014 8:54 AM

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The pre-arbitration eligible players "coming to terms" with the Cardinals on their one-year contracts will be announced with some fanfare in a few days. In reality, they have no choice but to accept the team's offer - if they want to play.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 9:15 AM

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PadsFS wrote: He does not have a contract for this year:

Matt Carpenter 3b
1 year/$0.504M (2013)

  • 1 year/$0.504M (2013)
    • re-signed by St. Louis 3/13 
    • award bonuses, including $10,000 for All-Star selection




https://www.baseballprospectus...ouis-cardinals/


The salary structure will be more like $3M, $6M, $9M, $10M, $11M, $12M I bet.

Pads, just as a warning, Cot's has mistakes on it sometimes, so relying on it too heavily can be misleading.  For instance, it still doesn't have Adam Wainwright's no trade clause listed on his entry.  There have been other mistakes found in the past.

As for Matt Carpenter, and other pre-arb players, I just start with the assumption that they are making league minimum or somewhere close to it.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 9:15 AM

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PadsFS wrote: He does not have a contract for this year:

Matt Carpenter 3b
1 year/$0.504M (2013)

  • 1 year/$0.504M (2013)
    • re-signed by St. Louis 3/13 
    • award bonuses, including $10,000 for All-Star selection




https://www.baseballprospectus...ouis-cardinals/


The salary structure will be more like $3M, $6M, $9M, $10M, $11M, $12M I bet.

I agree that's what it will probably be, however, I was just saying it might benefit both sides by spreading it out more evenly.  

Has anyone seen anything on the annual extra revenue projection from ballpark village?
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Posted: 3/7/2014 10:55 AM

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PadsFS wrote: He does not have a contract for this year:

Matt Carpenter 3b
1 year/$0.504M (2013)

  • 1 year/$0.504M (2013)
    • re-signed by St. Louis 3/13 
    • award bonuses, including $10,000 for All-Star selection




https://www.baseballprospectus...ouis-cardinals/


The salary structure will be more like $3M, $6M, $9M, $10M, $11M, $12M I bet.

That seems to be about right.  I wouldn't be surprised if his actual salary this year is around $1M, but he'll probably get a couple million in a signing bonus so his all in this year will probably be around $3M.  My guess was 3,5,7,10,13,15 (total of $53M).
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Posted: 3/7/2014 10:59 AM

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CardsInChitown wrote:
PadsFS wrote: He does not have a contract for this year:

Matt Carpenter 3b
1 year/$0.504M (2013)

  • 1 year/$0.504M (2013)
    • re-signed by St. Louis 3/13 
    • award bonuses, including $10,000 for All-Star selection




https://www.baseballprospectus...ouis-cardinals/


The salary structure will be more like $3M, $6M, $9M, $10M, $11M, $12M I bet.

I agree that's what it will probably be, however, I was just saying it might benefit both sides by spreading it out more evenly.  

Has anyone seen anything on the annual extra revenue projection from ballpark village?
I don't think teams do that since there must be an advantage to paying guys close to what they normally would have made during the arb years.  My guess is that it helps when arguing future arb cases if salaries like Carp don't raise the average for a 4 year service time player (for example).

I'm not sure if ballpark village is going to throw off a bunch of extra cash flow early on.  I'm sure a lot of it will go to debt service and/or reinvested back into the project for future development.  I'd watch for future TV contract negotiations if you are looking for big pops in revenue that can be reinvested back into the payroll.
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Posted: 3/7/2014 7:44 PM

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Wonder how Carp's deal will compare to Craig's.
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Posted: 3/8/2014 7:39 AM

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The Cardinals have called a 10 am CT press conference.


I think we are going to hear about the extension.
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Posted: 3/8/2014 8:05 AM

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Goold just tweeted that the press conference is indeed to announce Carpenter's contract extension. Excellent news. Interested in seeing the deal.
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