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Piscotty vs. Grichuk

Posted: 2/7/2014 10:14 PM

Piscotty vs. Grichuk 


Stephen Piscotty is now ranked in the Top 5 on most 2014 Cardinals Top Prospect lists, and Randal Grichuk is often not even listed in the Top 10. And yet here's how their career numbers stack up so far -

Piscotty (Birthdate - January, 1991)

PA - 708
H - 188
D - 41
T - 3
HR - 19
RBI - 86
OPS - .820

Grichuk (Birthdate - August, 1991)

PA - 1,855
H - 490
D - 104
T - 40
HR - 61
RBI - 259
OPS - .821

That triples number is interesting.

Does anyone know why Piscotty should be rated the better prospect? Isn't Grichuk also a decent defensive outfielder?











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Posted: 2/7/2014 10:34 PM

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What does PA and OPS mean?
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Posted: 2/7/2014 10:40 PM

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PA = Plate Appearances
OPS = On Base Percentage Plus Slugging Percentage
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Posted: 2/7/2014 10:40 PM

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The triples number tells me this kid can BURN. I have heard this kid is still raw but could be an elite defender, just hearsay though. I have friend connected to Busch that tells me the talk is we really took advantage of Anaheim in the Freese trade and that both these players are keepers. They will start right away with Grich in center and see how it progresses. This guy is bad news for Robinson, O'neil and Butler too. Piscotty is ahead b/c he can rake and turned heads in his first pro year. He also has the pedigree of a high draft choice and bonus $$$. Great problem to have though.

RF   Tavares then Piscotty
CF   Grichuk/ Pham/ Ramsey
LF    Oneil/ Butler/ Pham

GO CARDS!
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Posted: 2/7/2014 10:48 PM

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Grichuk won a minor league gold glove last year -- which implies excellent defensively in right field.  I'm curious how he does in center.

He does a lot of things really well.  Hopefully he learns some plate discipline in the next few years.  Honestly that's pretty much the only reason i can see that he would be ranked below piscotty -- he hasn't shown pretty much any plate discipline which tends to translate badly in the higher levels.  it's a good reason, but if he overcomes that the potential is HIGH.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 7:50 AM

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Draft pedigrees -

Piscotty was drafted in the 1st round (supplementary) at the #36 slot in the 2012 draft.

Grichuk was drafted in the 1st round at the #24 slot in the 2009 draft.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 8:37 AM

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Some of it may be in the dates shown. Though roughly same age and level now, the college guy moved quickly once in the pro ranks while the high school guy developed as a pro and moved at a more measured, but appropriate pace.
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Last edited 2/8/2014 8:38 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 2/8/2014 8:55 AM

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You're probably right, Brian.

Which is an interesting discussion when talking about high ceiling high schoolers vs. 3 year college All Americans in the draft. Is it possible that different organizations vary on that? Or does it depend on the projected needs of the big club, as they may need players coming faster through the system.

If Grichuk learns more plate discipline, does he have a higher ceiling than Piscotty? The Piscotty vs. Grichuk comparison is a perfect example.

Another example might be Gonzales vs. Kaminsky last year. If you could only have picked 1, which one would it have been? Gonzales because he has more of a track record and is probably a surer bet? Or Kaminsky, because he's
very young and has a higher ceiling? And who or what determines that he has a higher ceiling?
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:01 AM

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We are talking about guys who are getting close to the majors now. When I ranked them, Piscotty's showing in the Arizona Fall League was a differentiator for me. I struggled more trying to evaluate Grichuk vs. Ramsey than Grichuk vs. Piscotty.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:03 AM

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Gonzales vs. Kaminsky is very different IMO since neither has much of a track record as a pro. I ranked Kaminsky higher because of what he could become. Others like Gonzales more because he is closer to the bigs. There is no right or wrong - just opinions
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:33 AM

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Still wonder about the high ceiling vs. lower ceiling/high floor. If Piscotty and Grichuk were in the same draft, would Grichuk have been considered to have a higher ceiling? And if so, what determines that? The ability of the professional managers and coaches to start teaching at a younger age?
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:48 AM

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bccran wrote: PA = Plate Appearances
OPS = On Base Percentage Plus Slugging Percentage
Thank You
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Posted: 2/8/2014 10:09 AM

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Grichuk averaged .256 at AA in 2013, Piscotty averaged .299 in the same league.   Piscotty ranked 4th in the league in batting average.  Batting average is a reason many would rank Piscotty higher.  Piscotty uses the whole field as a hitter.

Piscotty is better at getting on base at the same level (AA), with .364 on base percentage versus a ho hum .306 for Grichuk. 

Piscotty's strikeout rate was about 10 percent, very good, whereas Grichuk was near 20 percent K rate, which was still good for the kind of hitter that he is.  For comparison, Grichuk is much better than Xavier Scruggs in terms of strikeouts.  Both guys must swing hard for their size, but Scruggs has many more holes in his bat.

Piscotty better fits the profile of an everyday RF or LF in the majors.  He gets on base well, uses the whole field, and makes contact.   Piscotty has the frame to add some muscle and increase slugging.

Grichuk is interesting and could reach the majors.  He has a lot of sock for his size.  He must have learned to track balls well, if he has gotten play in CF.   If he can handle CF, it would increase his chance of making a ML roster.  Grichuk is not a natural fit for CF, since not fast like Trout or Bourjos.  

The Cards might keep Grichuk at AA to begin 2014.  He could work at boosting on base percentage and batting average.  This will help him when he reaches AAA.

Last edited 2/8/2014 10:57 AM by Montanez

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Posted: 2/8/2014 10:11 AM

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cardinalnationhouston wrote:  I have friend connected to Busch that tells me the talk is we really took advantage of Anaheim in the Freese trade and that both these players are keepers.
One of my favorite deals that Mo has made. Interesting to read the comments on comparing prospects. As has been said, it's a nice problem to have.

It would be a bit ironic if Grichuk turned out to be a better player than Bourjos.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 12:01 PM

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Montanez wrote: .....The Cards might keep Grichuk at AA to begin 2014.  He could work at boosting on base percentage and batting average.  This will help him when he reaches AAA.
Mo has said that Grichuk will be Memphis' starting CF.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 12:09 PM

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Domeboys wrote:
Montanez wrote: .....The Cards might keep Grichuk at AA to begin 2014.  He could work at boosting on base percentage and batting average.  This will help him when he reaches AAA.
Mo has said that Grichuk will be Memphis' starting CF.
Grichuk will not find AAA pitching easy, but he has collected 500 AA at bats, so its not wrong to move him up.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 12:42 PM

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Mo has said that Grichuk will be Memphis' starting CF.

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A tad presumptuous isn't it. No need to have the boys fight it out in ST. Why don't we just put all of the 2014 farm team lineups in ink now and call it a day?
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Posted: 2/8/2014 1:22 PM

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Mon -

Hats off to you for the summary. Very thorough and insightful. Thanks very much. That's very helpful.
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Posted: 2/8/2014 9:27 PM

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I would suggest that the triples number suggests that Grichuk does indeed have the speed to play center field.  Should be an interesting season at Memphis, to say the least.  Too bad the Stadium deal happened, preventing them from moving here to Las Vegas. ;-)
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Posted: 2/9/2014 10:52 AM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote:
bccran wrote: PA = Plate Appearances
OPS = On Base Percentage Plus Slugging Percentage
Thank You
nate are you being serious here?
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