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David Freese trade thread

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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:02 PM

David Freese trade thread 


Mark Feinsand, Yankees beat writer for the NY Daily News, is tweeting that the Yankees are considering acquiring David Freese.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:05 PM

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Don't they already have a third baseman? ;-)

Seriously, I wonder what they might have to offer.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:49 PM

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Brett Gardner?
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Posted: 11/13/2013 2:54 PM

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I think Freese is a good fit for the Yankees, I'm not so sure the Yankees would be willing to send us what we would need in return to make it worth our while.  Freese is the perfect right handed compliment to a Wong/Carp 2B/3B rotation and will be paid a very reasonable salary next year.  I don't think we look to trade him, but there's no harm in listening to what the Yankees have to say.

With the uncertainty surrounding A-Rod I fully expect the Yankees to add a 3B, probably one that isn't too pricey since it's assumed A-Rod will be back at some point.  However, if it's a 200 game suspension or so, I'm sure the Yankees will want someone they can control for at least 2 years.  Freese fits that.  Also, even though it occurred in the midwest, Freese does have a little star power and I think his postseason heroics would play well with the PR in New York.  Yankees like to make headlines and a "Yankees Trade for World Series MVP" would be a nice one.  So to sum it up, I think it makes sense for the Yankees to be interested, I'm just unsure if they have a compelling offer to make us part with someone who would be a nice contributor to the ML team in 2014.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 3:06 PM

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desmetlax12 wrote: I think Freese is a good fit for the Yankees, I'm not so sure the Yankees would be willing to send us what we would need in return to make it worth our while.  Freese is the perfect right handed compliment to a Wong/Carp 2B/3B rotation and will be paid a very reasonable salary next year.  I don't think we look to trade him, but there's no harm in listening to what the Yankees have to say.

With the uncertainty surrounding A-Rod I fully expect the Yankees to add a 3B, probably one that isn't too pricey since it's assumed A-Rod will be back at some point.  However, if it's a 200 game suspension or so, I'm sure the Yankees will want someone they can control for at least 2 years.  Freese fits that.  Also, even though it occurred in the midwest, Freese does have a little star power and I think his postseason heroics would play well with the PR in New York.  Yankees like to make headlines and a "Yankees Trade for World Series MVP" would be a nice one.  So to sum it up, I think it makes sense for the Yankees to be interested, I'm just unsure if they have a compelling offer to make us part with someone who would be a nice contributor to the ML team in 2014.
Freese is pedestrian on his best day.  Trade him as soon as possible.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 3:39 PM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote:
desmetlax12 wrote: I think Freese is a good fit for the Yankees, I'm not so sure the Yankees would be willing to send us what we would need in return to make it worth our while.  Freese is the perfect right handed compliment to a Wong/Carp 2B/3B rotation and will be paid a very reasonable salary next year.  I don't think we look to trade him, but there's no harm in listening to what the Yankees have to say.

With the uncertainty surrounding A-Rod I fully expect the Yankees to add a 3B, probably one that isn't too pricey since it's assumed A-Rod will be back at some point.  However, if it's a 200 game suspension or so, I'm sure the Yankees will want someone they can control for at least 2 years.  Freese fits that.  Also, even though it occurred in the midwest, Freese does have a little star power and I think his postseason heroics would play well with the PR in New York.  Yankees like to make headlines and a "Yankees Trade for World Series MVP" would be a nice one.  So to sum it up, I think it makes sense for the Yankees to be interested, I'm just unsure if they have a compelling offer to make us part with someone who would be a nice contributor to the ML team in 2014.
Freese is pedestrian on his best day.  Trade him as soon as possible.
Totally disagree with your first sentence. 

But not your conclusion.  Upon reflection, I'm not at all comfortable with the way David broke down this season.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 3:45 PM

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MagnoliaCardFan wrote:
Totally disagree with your first sentence. 

But not your conclusion.  Upon reflection, I'm not at all comfortable with the way David broke down this season.
Your right on the money..  Freakishly bad how David lost almost all of his bat speed. Then soon his confidence left him.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 3:56 PM

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There really isn't anyone on the Yankees big league roster that would be a good match for the Cardinals. Maybe Gardner but we don't need another LH bat.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 4:26 PM

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I will take Gardner that's it. He is a better CF than Jay and hits a bit better. His war was 4.2 Jay's was 1.5 so that's an improvement. That would make Jay expendable.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 5:01 PM

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GScottAR wrote: There really isn't anyone on the Yankees big league roster that would be a good match for the Cardinals. Maybe Gardner but we don't need another LH bat.

Freese wouldn't yield Gardner but I think you are on the right track.  I have no idea but what if the Yankees are in on Ellsbury?  If they got him, then they could afford to trade Gardner.  I could definitely see the Cardinals being inteested. 

The Yankees are an interesting trade partner because the Cardinals could probably do Freese plus one or two minor leaguers given the sad state of the Yankees farm.  It is interesting to ponder.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 5:33 PM

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MAP315 wrote: I will take Gardner that's it. He is a better CF than Jay and hits a bit better. His war was 4.2 Jay's was 1.5 so that's an improvement. That would make Jay expendable.
Gardner CF UZR  -0.3  (3 season avg)

Jay  Cf  UZR -0.7  (3 season avg)


Gardner hasn't had a better than replacement level glove in CF since 2009.  His UZR fell off a cliff in 2010 and has never recovered.  He is 2 years older than Jay.

Jay had above replacement level glove in 2011 and 2012 and then big dropoff in 2013, which is what brought his average down.  2013 could be an outlier.

My bet is on Jay regressing back to his mean (above replacement level) in 2014.  Gardner is not likely to get better.


Offensively, there is not much difference between the two.  The difference in WAR in 2013 was mostly because of the defensive nosedive Jay took.

If you look at more than 2013, my bet is on Jay being the better player in the long term
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Posted: 11/13/2013 6:10 PM

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WAR
Gardner:
2010 7.4
2011 3.9
2012 .2 (Injured played 16 games)
2013 4.2

Jay
2010 .9
2011 2.9
2012 3.4
2013 1.5

He is older and that counts but he has been the better player overall. Not advocating the trade but if Freese goes to the Yankees Gardner is the only player that I would want back.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 6:12 PM

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Don't they already have a third baseman? ;-)

Seriously, I wonder what they might have to offer.

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That's why there in the market for a third baseman. The Yanks have a lot questions surrounding A-Rod's potential suspension and health has always been a concerning point for him.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 6:57 PM

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Ken Rosenthal throwing cold water on it.

"Source: Freese trade to #Yankees unlikely. Difficult for teams to find match. Yanks have little to offer #STLCards."
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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:13 PM

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MAP315 wrote: WAR
Gardner:
2010 7.4
2011 3.9
2012 .2 (Injured played 16 games)
2013 4.2

Jay
2010 .9
2011 2.9
2012 3.4
2013 1.5

He is older and that counts but he has been the better player overall. Not advocating the trade but if Freese goes to the Yankees Gardner is the only player that I would want back.
Well, you are putting all your eggs in the WAR basket, where you and I are going to have to seriously part company right there.  WAR is a nice stat, but it is seriously flawed.  Until the sabre people come up with a consistent measure instead of the two different measures, you will never win me over with a WAR only argument.

Looking at ALL of the stats of both, there is not a significant difference in the two, other than the 2013 defensive numbers, that convinces me that Gardner is an upgrade.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:26 PM

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What about that Nunez guy?

Had a down year but the year before looked pretty promising. Can play SS, 3b at least.

Both are coming off poor seasons.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:31 PM

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Is this the same David Freese that during a healthy 2012 hit .293 with 20 dongs?  And if you take out his poor start this year didn't he hit about .290 or something the last 2/3 of the year?

I am not sure why there are some that are down on David Freese.  I think he just needs to stay healthy.  I'm more than satisfied with him at 3B next year.  And if Kozma is the starting SS next year I am okay with that also.

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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:32 PM

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Fair enough. Trade is not happening so is a moot point.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 7:35 PM

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Freese will make around $4.4M next year. I kind of don't think the Cards will get their money's worth if they keep him. In that light, they would not need to get a lot in return. I mean, how much can you get for a guy who is arguably not worth his salary.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:24 PM

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I can't speak for others, but I am not really "down" on Freese.  What you're saying is true, but his   salary is getting moderately expensive and (more importantly) we need to move Carpenter, who is a third baseman, to make room for Wong at 2nd.  Descalso and/or Kozma can hold down 2nd for a while if Wong needs a few more months at Memphis.

RatsBuddy wrote: Is this the same David Freese that during a healthy 2012 hit .293 with 20 dongs?  And if you take out his poor start this year didn't he hit about .290 or something the last 2/3 of the year?

I am not sure why there are some that are down on David Freese.  I think he just needs to stay healthy.  I'm more than satisfied with him at 3B next year. 

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