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Manager of the Year

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Posted: 11/12/2013 5:54 PM

Manager of the Year 


Winner is Clint Hurdle. Matheny finished fourth. Link to votes.

Terry Francona wins in AL.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 6:04 PM

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And the St. Louis writer didn't have Matheny on his ballot... It was a New York writer, a Washington writer, a Wall Street Journal (when did they start covering sports?) and Tracy Ringolsby who had Matheny on their ballots.

I guess winning 97 games and a league championship with half the team hurt and the other half rookies isn't good enough.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 6:14 PM

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Jmodene1 wrote: And the St. Louis writer didn't have Matheny on his ballot... It was a New York writer, a Washington writer, a Wall Street Journal (when did they start covering sports?) and Tracy Ringolsby who had Matheny on their ballots.

I guess winning 97 games and a league championship with half the team hurt and the other half rookies isn't good enough.
The media was in love with the Pirates and the Cardinals crushed their dreams of a Cinderella story for the ages to write.

I'm not suggesting that was the reason Matheny was left off, just that the media needs to celebrate the Pirates in some fashion.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 7:05 PM

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And the St. Louis writer didn't have Matheny on his ballot... It was a New York writer, a Washington writer, a Wall Street Journal (when did they start covering sports?) and Tracy Ringolsby who had Matheny on their ballots.

I guess winning 97 games and a league championship with half the team hurt and the other half rookies isn't good enough.

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they must have tuned in a few times when he was putting Boggs in and later in the year when he put Mujica in, when everybody and their blind aunt saw the writing on the wall before him.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 7:06 PM

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Interesting moment on Twitter. Strauss grousing that someone needs to explain to him how Fredi Gonzalez could finish ahead of Matheny. The voter from his own paper placed Fredi 2nd but left Matheny off his ballot.
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Posted: 11/12/2013 7:13 PM

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Domeboys wrote: Interesting moment on Twitter. Strauss grousing that someone needs to explain to him how Fredi Gonzalez could finish ahead of Matheny. The voter from his own paper placed Fredi 2nd but left Matheny off his ballot.
I have Strauss blocked, so I am free from his grousings.

Don't know anything about that PD writer, maybe Matheny wouldn't give him an interview?  wink
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Posted: 11/13/2013 8:41 AM

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NJGiants11 wrote:

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--- Jmodene1 wrote:

And the St. Louis writer didn't have Matheny on his ballot... It was a New York writer, a Washington writer, a Wall Street Journal (when did they start covering sports?) and Tracy Ringolsby who had Matheny on their ballots.

I guess winning 97 games and a league championship with half the team hurt and the other half rookies isn't good enough.

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they must have tuned in a few times when he was putting Boggs in and later in the year when he put Mujica in, when everybody and their blind aunt saw the writing on the wall before him.



Clint Hurdle, or Tony LaRussa even, would never do such a thing.....
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Posted: 11/13/2013 9:50 AM

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Actually I think Tony went longer before giving up on a closer. 28 games trying to make Looper the closer in 06 before going to Wainwright. 9 games with Franklin  in 11 before giving up.

Boggs 10 games in 13 after 78 appearances and a 2.21 ERA in 12 as the 8th inning guy. How many chances do you give one of your better performers before you give up. Some would designate Wacha to AA after the 6th game of the world series.

I have little quarrel with Matheny's handling of the pitching staff. I do think he hung on to starters a little bit late trying to get them a win in a game when going to the pen may have a better result. Tony did that a lot more. But that is part of being a players manager.

I don't see Mattingly even getting votes. Who wouldn't have improved with the mid season addition of a healthy Hanley Ramirez and a hot rookie like Puig.
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Posted: 11/13/2013 10:24 AM

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SoonerinNC wrote: Actually I think Tony went longer before giving up on a closer. 28 games trying to make Looper the closer in 06 before going to Wainwright. 9 games with Franklin  in 11 before giving up.

Boggs 10 games in 13 after 78 appearances and a 2.21 ERA in 12 as the 8th inning guy. How many chances do you give one of your better performers before you give up. Some would designate Wacha to AA after the 6th game of the world series.

I have little quarrel with Matheny's handling of the pitching staff. I do think he hung on to starters a little bit late trying to get them a win in a game when going to the pen may have a better result. Tony did that a lot more. But that is part of being a players manager.

I don't see Mattingly even getting votes. Who wouldn't have improved with the mid season addition of a healthy Hanley Ramirez and a hot rookie like Puig.
If nothing else, it clearly illustrates how fine the line is between penthouse and outhouse.
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Posted: 11/14/2013 1:22 PM

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I have no problem with Hurdle winning, as he did a great job. But for Matheny to finish a distant fourth is absurd.

Maybe the voters checked in on here a lot last summer and saw all of our complaints about him, and figured "man, Matheny is a real bone head so I'm not going to vote for him". biggrin
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Posted: 11/16/2013 10:45 AM

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Can't disagree with Hurdle. But to put Mattingly and Gonzales ahead of Matheny is the great robbery of all time. Mattingly won with a team that was bought, not home grown by the owners, The Braves were put tohether by Bobby Cox!! How could Matheny not at least place 2nd--Lost Ace starter in Carpenter, Closer in Mott, Lost Craig for 2 months, Molina for 3 weeks, Muchi down the stretch, Westbrroks, Lynn sucked in the 2nd half. All he did was win with KIDS!! BEST TEAM IN NATIONAL LEAGUE DURING THE REGULAR SEASON AND THE PLAYOFFS!!
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