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2013 NLCS Game 5 thread: Cards at Dodgers: Wed, Oct 16

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Posted: 10/15/2013 5:32 PM

2013 NLCS Game 5 thread: Cards at Dodgers: Wed, Oct 16 


Joe Kelly (0-0, 3.18) vs. Zack Greinke (0-1, 2.57). 3:07 p.m. CT.  TBS, ESPN Radio and KMOX.

Kozma back in the lineup.

Carpenter 4, Beltran 7, Holliday 9, Adams 3, Molina 2, Jay 8, Freese 5, Kozma 6, Kelly 1.
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Last edited 10/16/2013 1:15 PM by Domeboys

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Posted: 10/15/2013 11:39 PM

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would be nice to win this game. i will be at work. hope to see a win when i get off. go cards!

"Streamers rule! Long live the stream!" - Adam Copeland
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Posted: 10/16/2013 7:19 AM

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"all hands on deck"....

Matheny showed some interesting confidence in Lance Lynn, yesterday..

I think Joe Kelly keeps his unique confidence, and the Cards improve hitting...
Dodgers could be in trouble

obviously can't play like they did Monday
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Posted: 10/16/2013 8:29 AM

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I like hollidays quote from last night...somebody from tbs told him that his bomb was measured at 426ft to which he responded "Thats funny"...

I also like the cards tonight to close this out...crush some peanuts and call it:
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Posted: 10/16/2013 9:04 AM

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I like hollidays quote from last night...somebody from tbs told him that his bomb was measured at 426ft to which he responded "Thats funny"...


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Funny indeed. If that bomb measured only 426 feet then the late John Holmes checked in with only a 1 inch.....if I may, please allow me to go in a different direction. That Holliday rocket went at least 490 happy feet. I spent a good hour after the game last night studying the tape....slowing it down....speeding it up...carefully examining the flight of Holliday's launch shot.....and I'm still not 100% sure where it landed. But I have surmised where it didn't land....and that was 426 feet away from home plate. At 472 feet a fan is visible looking back over his shoulder in amazement. At the very least that ball landed 490 feet from where Cardinal runners crossed paydirt 4 times last evening compared to the Dodgers paltry 2 times. It's very possible that it eclipsed the magic 500 mark.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 9:13 AM

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holliday is freakishly strong.  someone made a comment last night that puig could kick the crap out of everyone on our team.  not that it matters, but i'd put my money on holliday any day of the week.

that ball was crushed by holliday, a real no doubter, unlike puig's game 3 triple.  matt flipped the bat and trotted around the bases, no big deal.  I smiled and was proud of the class he brings to our team, a great thing for younger players to see.

I also enjoyed seeing yadi yank matt adams away from the home plate umpire when he was called out on strikes in the 9th.  it was gentle leadership, reinforcing the cardinal way.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 10:28 AM

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I too noticed Holliday's professionalism and Yadi's leadership keeping Adams in the game. Adams had been having trouble with the low pitches all night and was frustrated.

I was also surprised Mike stayed with Lance that long, that he had DD back out there after the baserunning gaff and that he had Jay out there after one of the worst games I have ever seen a player have. All turned out to be good moves, as did the defensive repacements with Kozma and Robinson. Last night may have been Mike's finest hour.

3-1 with home field advantage is a lot different than 3-1 without. Hoping for a stong showing by Mighty Joe tonight.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 10:37 AM

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duckymedwick7 wrote: 

I also enjoyed seeing yadi yank matt adams away from the home plate umpire when he was called out on strikes in the 9th.  it was gentle leadership, reinforcing the cardinal way.
I thought that was big, real nice job by Yadi.  Although I think Yadi may have been more concerned about having a fair strike zone for Rosenthal in the bottom of the 9th as opposed to keeping Adams in the game.  Call me old school, but I don't think Adams has earned the right to complain to home plate umpires yet, especially in the post season.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 10:42 AM

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blingboy wrote:

3-1 with home field advantage is a lot different than 3-1 without. Hoping for a stong showing by Mighty Joe tonight.
Very very good point Bling.  I feel much better about this year than last year in the event we can't take care of it today.  I think Joe Kelly can do enough to win, the question will be if the bats can do their part.  We're due for a big game and we've hit Greinke well in the post-season before.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 11:00 AM

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duckymedwick7 wrote: holliday is freakishly strong.  someone made a comment last night that puig could kick the crap out of everyone on our team.  not that it matters, but i'd put my money on holliday any day of the week.

that ball was crushed by holliday, a real no doubter, unlike puig's game 3 triple.  matt flipped the bat and trotted around the bases, no big deal.  I smiled and was proud of the class he brings to our team, a great thing for younger players to see.

I also enjoyed seeing yadi yank matt adams away from the home plate umpire when he was called out on strikes in the 9th.  it was gentle leadership, reinforcing the cardinal way.
I don't know if the Deadspin article started it, or just brought out something that was already simmering, but "The Cardinal Way" is under some assault in the media. The other night, Craig Calcaterra, who writes for NBC Sports, posted a whole series of tweets making fun of "The Cardinal Way".  He ended by saying if he heard that phrase one more time he was going to be sick.  His mocking tweets were retweeted by several more media members.  Grantland posted a satirical article that also mocked the Cardinals and their way of doing things.  It portrayed the Cardinals as saccharin sweet and wholesome compared to the Dodgers and it was not meant approvingly, though many didn't realize it was satire and took it that way.

So, apparently being of high character is a bad thing these days.  I guess people think the Cardinals are too high and mighty and they need taken down.  The thing is, you may not like it, but it works, and maybe other teams should think about emulating it rather than tearing it down.  Just a thought.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 11:15 AM

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crdswmn wrote: I don't know if the Deadspin article started it, or just brought out something that was already simmering, but "The Cardinal Way" is under some assault in the media. The other night, Craig Calcaterra, who writes for NBC Sports, posted a whole series of tweets making fun of "The Cardinal Way".  He ended by saying if he heard that phrase one more time he was going to be sick.  His mocking tweets were retweeted by several more media members.  Grantland posted a satirical article that also mocked the Cardinals and their way of doing things.  It portrayed the Cardinals as saccharin sweet and wholesome compared to the Dodgers and it was not meant approvingly, though many didn't realize it was satire and took it that way.

So, apparently being of high character is a bad thing these days.  I guess people think the Cardinals are too high and mighty and they need taken down.  The thing is, you may not like it, but it works, and maybe other teams should think about emulating it rather than tearing it down.  Just a thought.
Don't confuse what internet "experts" and Twitter trolls think with what MLB organizations are doing.

P.S. When prominent members of the local media regularly rip Cardinals fans, it shouldn't be surprising when the nationals join in.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 11:19 AM

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agreed, brian.  while fans of other teams and media hacks may dislike the cardinal way, other organizations see the value of the cardinal way.  and the bad news for the haters is that the cards are not going away anytime soon.  look at the ages of the kids we run out there in the rotation and the pen.

it's comforting to know that when taveras comes to st. louis some time next year, he won't be able to pull the puig act, no matter how great he may be.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 11:26 AM

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duckymedwick7 wrote: agreed, brian.  while fans of other teams and media hacks may dislike the cardinal way, other organizations see the value of the cardinal way.  and the bad news for the haters is that the cards are not going away anytime soon.  look at the ages of the kids we run out there in the rotation and the pen.

it's comforting to know that when taveras comes to st. louis some time next year, he won't be able to pull the puig act, no matter how great he may be.

I know I haven't been able to watch every minute of all the games and I missed the Puig situation.  Is it really that bad?

I have seen the Cardinals hold celebrations for wins.  I have seen Albert watch home runs.  I have seen Molina be demonstrative and celebrate key hits by making gestures to the dugout.  These things happen all the time by every team in baseball.

I hope the Cardinals don't make a big deal out of it.  They are guilty of the same thing, at times.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 11:59 AM

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everyone has to make up their own mind about it, but i'd say watch it and then decide.  if it were just the hr, maybe I could say he's just a kid, but he follows it up by being a turd when a pitch gets away from lynn and brushes him back.  he was clearly trying to physically intimidate lynn after the pitch.  it was nice to see yadi step in between puig and lynn immediately.

there's also adrian gonz. acting foolish, very much the way Milwaukee acted in the 2011 season, a couple times over the last 2 games.  I am certainly biased but the cards celebrate over big moments, inning ending strikeouts, double plays, etc.  the dodgers seem to celebrate over every little hit.  to me there's a difference, though I am biased.

I love appropriate celebrations, even by the dodgers.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:04 PM

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duckymedwick7 wrote: agreed, brian.  while fans of other teams and media hacks may dislike the cardinal way, other organizations see the value of the cardinal way.  and the bad news for the haters is that the cards are not going away anytime soon.  look at the ages of the kids we run out there in the rotation and the pen.

it's comforting to know that when taveras comes to st. louis some time next year, he won't be able to pull the puig act, no matter how great he may be.
We will have to see if that is the case in the post-TLR era.  It was certainly not true with Tony in charge, as high profile guys who produced on the field did not have to comply with professionalism standards in the areas of hustle and not showboating when they smacked one.  My hope is that the org learned a lesson about letting that slippery slope get started with a guy, and that Mike better understands the overall value of enforcing standards more evenly, with less variance related to tenure and profile.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:07 PM

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I'll be on the road this afternoon and will be catching the game on the radio. I expect a chicken dinner when I get home.

Good luck. Go Birds.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:09 PM

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How to act has been reinforced with Taveras. In Double-A, he was pulled off the field for not hustling. What happens if/when he becomes a star is another matter entirely, but I bet if he pulled a Puig as a rookie, it would be dealt with. Remember, however, that not all discipline meted out is visible to the public.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:17 PM

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I couldn't care less about this stuff. We all likely have a favorite nba or NFL team that everyone acts likes this. Baseball isn't above other sports or something. The game is on the field. Too bad Peanut likely won't grace us with his ridiculous predictions again!
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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:19 PM

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duckymedwick7 wrote: 

  the dodgers seem to celebrate over every little hit. 

When it seems your back is against the wall, you try to do everything you can to lift everyone up.  I am sure that is where some of the celebrating is coming from.

As far as Puig trying to intimidate Lynn, another situation where a hitter can take something innocent the wrong way.  It is the "heat of the moment" and the hitter doesn't have much time to analyze what the pitch "meant".  In the past, I have seen Cardinal hitters taking offense to inside pitches that may have gotten away from the pitcher.

Ducky, I am not calling you out on these points.  You just happened to have stated the points I wanted everyone to think about further.  I think we, as fans, look at the situation with colored glasses and don't always consider things from the other point of view.
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Posted: 10/16/2013 12:21 PM

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Domeboys wrote: How to act has been reinforced with Taveras. In Double-A, he was pulled off the field for not hustling. What happens if/when he becomes a star is another matter entirely, but I bet if he pulled a Puig as a rookie, it would be dealt with. Remember, however, that not all discipline meted out is visible to the public.

Agreed.  Also, not in the area of discipline, but Mike's willingness to pull Holliday for a defensive replacement suggests to me that organizational thinking has evolved.  Tony would have Matt play every inning of every postseason game, health permitting.
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