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2013 NLDS Game 2 thread: Bucs at Cards: Fri 10/4

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Posted: 10/1/2013 10:32 PM

2013 NLDS Game 2 thread: Bucs at Cards: Fri 10/4 


Lance Lynn (15-10, 3.97) vs. Gerrit Cole (10-7, 3.22). 12:07 p.m. CT. MLB Network, ESPN radio and KMOX.

Lineup: Carpenter 4, Beltran 9, Holliday 7, Adams 3, Molina 2, Jay 8, Freese 5, Descalso 6, Lynn 1.
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Last edited 10/4/2013 11:23 AM by Domeboys

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Posted: 10/2/2013 6:20 AM

Lynn will start Friday's game 


According to wire reports in the morning newspaper.  He's been hot his last several starts so hard to argue with Matheny's decision IMO.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 6:48 AM

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so hard to argue with Matheny's decision IMO.

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Certainly you jest, Brosky. Intentionally save Miller for a road game.....and in Pittsburgh yet under these circumstances??? I have to be missing something here......please tell.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 9:54 AM

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If I had to "please tell," I would suggest that Matheny believes starting Wainwright and Lynn in the first two home games gives us the best possibility of going up two games to none.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 10:16 AM

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Wrong-Miller gives the best chance to go up 2-0.  But Miller is apparenty better on the road than Lynn.  Matheny wants to steal game two and have a good road pitcher against Liriano.  I disagree with that strategy.  Game three is a sure loss against Liriano.  Concede that game with Lynn and concentrate on the other games.  Matheny's getting greedy-I hope it doesn't backfire.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 3:15 PM

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My opinion is also going waino, Kelly/miller either one in gm 2 makes most sense. Like you said give Lynn game 3 and if he pitches real well great. My biggest concern is if Pitts wins just 1/2 in STL we are in big trouble knowing that Liriano is there in gm 3.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 3:31 PM

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Wrong-Miller gives the best chance to go up 2-0.  But Miller is apparenty better on the road than Lynn.  Matheny wants to steal game two and have a good road pitcher against Liriano.  I disagree with that strategy.  Game three is a sure loss against Liriano.  Concede that game with Lynn and concentrate on the other games.  Matheny's getting greedy-I hope it doesn't backfire.

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Actually, both Lynn and Miller have road ERA's over 5.00. On the other board, they're speculating that Miller might be better able to handle adversity than Lynn, hence the decision to pitch Lynn in Game 2. Personally, I'd still start Kelly in Game 3, since he's been our best road starter this season, but that's just me.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 3:48 PM

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somebody said "going against Liriano is a sure loss" or something to that effect.  Please spare me.  Haven't the past two years of postseason play taught us that there are absolutely no "sure things?"
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Posted: 10/2/2013 3:59 PM

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Liriano did beat the Reds last night, but so did three other Buc pitchers over the weekend in Cincy. Liriano has been just so-so in Sept. He lost to Milwaukee early in the month and then got beat by the Cubs 4-2 on 9/25. Inotherwords, he ain't invincible.
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Posted: 10/2/2013 5:46 PM

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ageelaw wrote: Liriano did beat the Reds last night, but so did three other Buc pitchers over the weekend in Cincy. Liriano has been just so-so in Sept. He lost to Milwaukee early in the month and then got beat by the Cubs 4-2 on 9/25. Inotherwords, he ain't invincible.
Yet the Cards have stunk up the place against him all year....
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Posted: 10/2/2013 6:08 PM

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TCRedbird wrote:
ageelaw wrote: Liriano did beat the Reds last night, but so did three other Buc pitchers over the weekend in Cincy. Liriano has been just so-so in Sept. He lost to Milwaukee early in the month and then got beat by the Cubs 4-2 on 9/25. Inotherwords, he ain't invincible.
Yet the Cards have stunk up the place against him all year....
New season, playoffs, Liriano may have some wear and tear on him now. Plate umpire will have a big influence on the game he pitches.
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Posted: 10/3/2013 9:03 AM

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Like I said, Sunday is a sure loss. So if either Wainwright or Lynn cough it up our game four pitcher had better be good,  Wacha I guess.
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Posted: 10/3/2013 9:30 AM

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nathanleopoldjr wrote: Like I said, Sunday is a sure loss. So if either Wainwright or Lynn cough it up our game four pitcher had better be good,  Wacha I guess.

Sure it is. You also assured us that 2013 was a rebuilding year during which the Cardinals wold miss the playoffs because the Reds are the superior team. You predicting this as a "sure loss" gives me hope.
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Posted: 10/3/2013 9:39 AM

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GMan0311 wrote:
nathanleopoldjr wrote: Like I said, Sunday is a sure loss. So if either Wainwright or Lynn cough it up our game four pitcher had better be good,  Wacha I guess.

Sure it is. You also assured us that 2013 was a rebuilding year during which the Cardinals wold miss the playoffs because the Reds are the superior team. You predicting this as a "sure loss" gives me hope.

Absolutely.  Nathan would be great as a Las Vegas tout, because the bettors would know to bet against him.
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Posted: 10/3/2013 10:00 AM

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JUST LAST SUNDAY, Nathan predicted that we had no chance to win a ballgame:

I guess you are gonna be right one day! I have no idea how someone can be so pessimistic all the time.


 

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They don't owe Westbrook a darn thing except his salary and the one million buyout he'll get this winter.  If he gets bombed-a very likely scenario and we lose home field because of that then the first 161 games will be meaningless.  Without home field against the Braves we will not be in the WS.  We were 0-3 in Atlanta and 3-1 in St. Louis against the Braves.   That should tell Matheny something about home field.  I bet the Braves are licking their chops to get on the field today and watch the scoreboard.  They know Matheny has given them a chance to be in the WS and you can bet they won't throw it away like Matheny is with our chances.  I haven't been this mad since the Cardinals traded Steve Carlton.

 


Later on in the day he was even more riled up!

nathanleopoldjr wrote: I can't believe what I'm hearing that Westbrook is pitching tomorrow!  My God, Matheny is out of his mind.  Respect the game-how about respect your fans.  We're going to miss the home field against the Braves because of our idiot manager.  You can bet your sweet life the Braves aren't going to give away their game.  I am disgusted to the point of nausea.  If we make it to the second round the only chance we have against the Braves is to play them at home four times.  I wonder now if Matheny should even be the manager.  Pathetic!!




 

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Posted: 10/3/2013 10:23 AM

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I have no idea how someone can be so pessimistic all the time.



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It's called "fear", Pads. No pun intended, but Nate has such an innate fear that his beloved Cardinals are going to lose an important game, that he purposely prepares himself for a possible loss by thinking that there is little chance that his team was going to win anyway, thus tempering down the huge disappointment if a loss does indeed occur.
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Posted: 10/3/2013 10:54 AM

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Posted: 10/3/2013 1:32 PM

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Brosky wrote: If I had to "please tell," I would suggest that Matheny believes starting Wainwright and Lynn in the first two home games gives us the best possibility of going up two games to none.
Lynn is 9-3 with a 2.82 ERA at home (career 2.97 at Busch)

He is 6-7 with 5.15 ERA on the road
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Posted: 10/3/2013 1:43 PM

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Jmodene1 wrote:

Actually, both Lynn and Miller have road ERA's over 5.00. On the other board, they're speculating that Miller might be better able to handle adversity than Lynn, hence the decision to pitch Lynn in Game 2. Personally, I'd still start Kelly in Game 3, since he's been our best road starter this season, but that's just me.
I think it almost a certainty that Kelly gets the Game 3 start but don't be surprised if Wacha gets the start in Game 4 (if necessary) over Miller.  Why you ask?  Glad you asked...Bernie?

That leaves Miller or Wacha to make the other start.

Wacha (obviously) has less experience than Miller.

But we liked what we saw from Wacha on the road this season, even in small-sample form.

Wacha was 1-0 with a 3.24 as a road starter in three starts this season. He had a difficult start at Colorado in September _ 12 hits and four earned runs in 4.2 innings. But he was victimized by rotten batted-ball luck, and I though he did a strong job of battling to limit the damage by not letting the Rockies expand on their early 4-0 lead. By the time Wacha exited the Cards had tied the game 4-4. 

Wacha was very good in his other two road starts, giving the Mets two earned runs in 6 IP on June 11, and pitching six terrific shutout innings at Cincinnati on Sept. 3.

Wacha also pitched a gem against the Pirates during that crucial three-game sweep at Busch Stadium early last month with 7 shutout innings on Sept. 8.

In nine innings of work against the Pirates this season, Wacha didn’t permit a run and only  four of 29 Pirates’ batters reached base.

Here’s another consideration... perhaps the most important one. 

Wacha has a dazzling changeup that he mixes with a downward fastball.

Miller is mostly a fastball pitcher, and he tends to pitch up in the zone.

According to FanGraphs, the Pirates ranked LAST in the majors this season at hitting the changeup. But they were fifth-best at hitting the fastball … and were ranked No. 1 among NL teams with success in hitting the fastball.


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Posted: 10/3/2013 8:59 PM

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i'm not loving Lynn in this spot. i will concede that MM knows better than me, but if u ask my gut, it says yuck. I only hope, that he has a very quick hook, and bring wacha in. Save kelley and Miller in Pitt.
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