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2013 MLB game 157 thread: Nats at Cards, Mon 9/23

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Posted: 9/22/2013 11:24 AM

2013 MLB game 157 thread: Nats at Cards, Mon 9/23 


Adam Wainwright (17-9, 2.98) vs. Tanner Roark (7-0, 1.98). 7:10 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest, MLB Network and KMOX.

Roark has yet to allow a home run in 41 2/3 big league innings to date.

(Updated to add MLB Network.)
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Posted: 9/22/2013 11:48 AM

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Domeboys wrote: Adam Wainwright (17-9, 2.98) vs. Tanner Roark (7-0, 1.98). 7:10 PM CT. FOX Sports Midwest and KMOX.

Roark has yet to allow a home run in 41 2/3 big league innings to date.
He also has a .232 BABIP, an 83% LOB% (Joe Kelly territory) and decent but unspectacular peripherals.

That doesn't mean he won't no-hit the Cardinals.
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Posted: 9/22/2013 2:33 PM

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I see where Davey Johnson is looking forward to "playing spoiler" on the Cards this week.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 7:13 AM

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Jmodene1 wrote: I see where Davey Johnson is looking forward to "playing spoiler" on the Cards this week.


Assume this stems from his days as the manager of the Mets and the rivalry that existed there back in the mid-late 1980s? 

For those of you that dont remember the '85 Mets won 98 games and failed to make the playoffs.  The Redbirds won 101 games that year.  The Mets came to Busch for a three game series on Mon-Tue-Wed the last week of the year, trailing the Cards by three games.  They won Game 1 by the score of 1-0 on Darryl Strawberry's mammoth homerun off the clock in rightcenter off of Ken Dayley.

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Posted: 9/23/2013 7:29 AM

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Probably it stems from the Cards beating the Nationals in the NLDS last season.

Washington has not yet been formally eliminated from the wild card, so they should still be playing for themselves at this point.

St. Louis' magic number to win the division is five.

The Reds are home against the Mets while the Bucs are playing at Wrigley.

Braves have a 1 1/2 game lead over the Cards for best NL record and they hold the tie-breaker.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 7:31 AM

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RatsBuddy wrote:
Jmodene1 wrote: I see where Davey Johnson is looking forward to "playing spoiler" on the Cards this week.


Assume this stems from his days as the manager of the Mets and the rivalry that existed there back in the mid-late 1980s? 

For those of you that dont remember the '85 Mets won 98 games and failed to make the playoffs.  The Redbirds won 101 games that year.  The Mets came to Busch for a three game series on Mon-Tue-Wed the last week of the year, trailing the Cards by three games.  They won Game 1 by the score of 1-0 on Darryl Strawberry's mammoth homerun off the clock in rightcenter off of Ken Dayley.

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That was the game John Tudor shut out the Mets for 10 innings, probably the best pitching performance I ever saw.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 7:44 AM

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blingboy wrote:

That was the game John Tudor shut out the Mets for 10 innings, probably the best pitching performance I ever saw.


John Tudor was the ace of the Cardinal staff, at least for 1985.


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Posted: 9/23/2013 8:19 AM

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RatsBuddy wrote:
blingboy wrote:

That was the game John Tudor shut out the Mets for 10 innings, probably the best pitching performance I ever saw.


John Tudor was the ace of the Cardinal staff, at least for 1985.


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Posted: 9/23/2013 8:45 AM

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RatsBuddy wrote:
blingboy wrote:

That was the game John Tudor shut out the Mets for 10 innings, probably the best pitching performance I ever saw.


John Tudor was the ace of the Cardinal staff, at least for 1985.


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and yet he failed in game 7 of the world series that year.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 9:07 AM

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Interesting thing about today's Reds/Mets game.  On the surface the pitching matchup of Cueto v. Harang looks like a mismatch.  However, if you look at the records of each against the other team you get an unexpected result.


Harang v Reds (career)   3 starts.  3-0 ERA 1.89  WHIP .0947

Cueto v. Mets (career)   7 starts.  2-3  ERA 5.45  WHIP 1.632


I wouldn't put too much stock in it.  Small sample sizes and other factors make it not very predictive, but it is interesting nonetheless.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 9:20 AM

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Davey Johnson should have been fired 2  months ago....

their stats are deceiving.....but right now they are hot
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Posted: 9/23/2013 9:55 AM

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Cueto looked pretty good in his first game back vs the lowly Astros, but how good he is at this point is anybody's guess.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 10:06 AM

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blingboy wrote: Cueto looked pretty good in his first game back vs the lowly Astros, but how good he is at this point is anybody's guess.
Here is the same comparison for the Pirates/Cubs game:


Charlie Morton v. Cubs (career)  8 starts  2-4  ERA 5.75  WHIP 1.598

Jeff Samardzija v. Pirates (career)  6 starts  4-3  ERA 2.17  WHIP .0931
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Posted: 9/23/2013 11:23 AM

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Nats Pitcher Roark went to H.S. just south of I-80 in Wilmington for those that dont know.  Sounds like many of his University of Illinois teammates will have seats behind the dugout to watch him tonight.  Kid is doing very well for the Nats so far.  Lets hope his first big blemish is tonight vs our birds.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 12:18 PM

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MAP315 wrote:
RatsBuddy wrote:
blingboy wrote:

That was the game John Tudor shut out the Mets for 10 innings, probably the best pitching performance I ever saw.


John Tudor was the ace of the Cardinal staff, at least for 1985.


Rat

and yet he failed in game 7 of the world series that year.

The whole team failed in that 7th game of the 1985 Series. It was an embarassment.

Tonight's game is also on MLB Network. I'll be one of the few households in the Denver area watching MLB rather than the MNF game between Denver and Oakland! biggrin

Course if for some reason our game gets ugly, I might switch over. Hopefully we got the "ugly" out of our system with last night's game. That was a poor defensive effort last night.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 12:36 PM

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bicyclemike wrote:
MAP315 wrote:
RatsBuddy wrote:
blingboy wrote:

That was the game John Tudor shut out the Mets for 10 innings, probably the best pitching performance I ever saw.


John Tudor was the ace of the Cardinal staff, at least for 1985.


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and yet he failed in game 7 of the world series that year.

The whole team failed in that 7th game of the 1985 Series. It was an embarassment.

Tonight's game is also on MLB Network. I'll be one of the few households in the Denver area watching MLB rather than the MNF game between Denver and Oakland! biggrin

Course if for some reason our game gets ugly, I might switch over. Hopefully we got the "ugly" out of our system with last night's game. That was a poor defensive effort last night.
but by Rats' definition of an ace there was no way he should have been less than perfect. He was supposed to do what true aces do which is dominate in crucial games. He allowed 5 runs in 2.1 innings that's abysmal for his so called ace.  I am not picking on Tudor just on Rats' reasoning.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 1:29 PM

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MAP315 wrote:

but by Rats' definition of an ace there was no way he should have been less than perfect. He was supposed to do what true aces do which is dominate in crucial games. He allowed 5 runs in 2.1 innings that's abysmal for his so called ace.  I am not picking on Tudor just on Rats' reasoning.

Thats never been my reasoning.
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Posted: 9/23/2013 1:41 PM

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RatsBuddy wrote:
MAP315 wrote:

but by Rats' definition of an ace there was no way he should have been less than perfect. He was supposed to do what true aces do which is dominate in crucial games. He allowed 5 runs in 2.1 innings that's abysmal for his so called ace.  I am not picking on Tudor just on Rats' reasoning.

Thats never been my reasoning.
"I guess to me an ace is someone you can rely on in a big game - and I've yet to see that from Wainwright."----RatsBuddy

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Posted: 9/23/2013 1:51 PM

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RatsBuddy wrote:
MAP315 wrote:

but by Rats' definition of an ace there was no way he should have been less than perfect. He was supposed to do what true aces do which is dominate in crucial games. He allowed 5 runs in 2.1 innings that's abysmal for his so called ace.  I am not picking on Tudor just on Rats' reasoning.

Thats never been my reasoning.
You said this about Wainwright....Tudor failed as well.


And yes, there have been some really
important if not critical starts where he flopped.  Like the deciding game
against Washington last year.  I guess to me an ace is someone you can
rely on in a big game - and I've yet to see that from Wainwright.



Just my $.02.



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Posted: 9/23/2013 2:11 PM

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Will Waino make his last regular season start?

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